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How do men "alter Allah's creation"?

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    Muse
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    In response to rafiqul

    That makes very good sense... Now let's see... My ears are made for hearing... How can I "alter their creation"? By listening to bad things, like gossip maybe? My mouth is for speaking... Speaking the truth... Because if I were to divert them from their true purpose, then I would speak lies. My eyes are made for contemplating Allah's creation, for example. The opposite would be to look at bad things or things I shouldn't be looking at, such as spying... By going against my own nature, I am actually going against Allah and following Satan instead.

    Is anybody following the same train of thought as me? choo choo

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      Rev_John
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      In response to rafiqul

      That makes very good sense... Now let's see... My ears are made for hearing... How can I "alter their creation"? By listening to bad things, like gossip maybe? My mouth is for speaking... Speaking the truth... Because if I were to divert them from their true purpose, then I would speak lies. My eyes are made for contemplating Allah's creation, for example. The opposite would be to look at bad things or things I shouldn't be looking at, such as spying... By going against my own nature, I am actually going against Allah and following Satan instead.

      Is anybody following the same train of thought as me? choo choo

      Yes, that would be closer to my interpitation

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        hope4
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        Surely by just cutting down a tree we have altered it haven't we?

        You have not altered it but killed it rotfl

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          rafiqul
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          In response to rafiqul

          That makes very good sense... Now let's see... My ears are made for hearing... How can I "alter their creation"? By listening to bad things, like gossip maybe? My mouth is for speaking... Speaking the truth... Because if I were to divert them from their true purpose, then I would speak lies. My eyes are made for contemplating Allah's creation, for example. The opposite would be to look at bad things or things I shouldn't be looking at, such as spying... By going against my own nature, I am actually going against Allah and following Satan instead.

          Is anybody following the same train of thought as me? choo choo

          That's a very beautiful explanation, indeed. It's a pleasant surprise that great scholars could not pen it the way Muse has done. May Alla s.w.t reward you, Muse, for sharing your pearls of thought, ameen!

          The Qur'an will keep unfolding itself with time. In 1989, I came to know 'water from sky' has another source the outer space. In the form of tiny ice particles... Now there is more information on it (e.g., http//www.jstor.org/stable/4018314. Dr. Naqvi, a NASA scientist who designed the electrical system of the Lunar Module that carried Neil Armstrong and Buzz Aldrin to land on the moon in 1969, fist revealed in his book (I don't remember the title) in that I had read. Being an enlightened Muslim, he suggested that the meaning of Allah saying 'revealing' rain from sky could also mean the snow-balls the size of a house that are constantly bombarding the earth. Only last week, there was another new scientific discovery, that even the CLOUDS are being formed by the collision of water vapor with cosmic rays (http//public.web.cern.ch/public/en/Research/CLOUD-en.html). And the source of iron on earth has long been identified with meteors... that rings in mind the verse in Sura Hadeed (The Iron) when Alla s.w.t. says "And we have revealed iron..." (the word 'anjalna' in Arabic). Subhanallah!

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            herbman
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            Salam,

            How do you understand the verse 4119, in which Iblis says that he shall command men to "alter Allah's creation"? The majority of traditional Muslims believe that altering Allah's creation consists in cosmetic surgery, tattooing, parting or filing the teeth, plucking the eyebrows, et cetera.
            If somebody will also explain "and they will cut the cattle' ears", I would be very grateful.

            PICKTHAL "And surely I will lead them astray, and surely I will arouse desires in them, and surely I will command them and they will cut the cattle' ears, and surely I will command them and they will change Allah's creation. Whoso chooseth Satan for a patron instead of Allah is verily a loser and his loss is manifest."

            Thank you,

            Muse

            Regarding the cut the cattle' ears, in some muslim countries, when there is a wedding and someone is jalous/against/just want to create troubles, they make the husband eating "donkey's ear" without him knowing, and that disable his "sexual capabilities" the night of the wedding which leads to problems for the famillies and so on and so on...
            This is not unusual and is one of the many technics of "voodoo" they use, I am sure jewish knows very well these technics too.

            regards

            ps nice interpretation you did

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              MUNZIR_ALI
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              by circunzization!

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                Rev_John
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                by circunzization!

                Humans have altered God's creation many times, in many ways.

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                  TheJoker
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                  Khalaq/creation

                  2050 has the answer

                  He said "Our Lord is the One who gave everything* its creation/khalaq, then guided."

                  So, could changing the creation be something that is not a physical act? I am referring to the guidance part. This fits better with 4119 imo. Marking the ears of livestock is a physical act and is mentioned specifically. Wouldn't it be redundant to mention change of creation again? In fact, ghayrun/change is used exclusively for changing one's perception (1311 for instance).

                  *Note 'kulla shee' quranically speaking refers to something animate. See 2130 for example.

                  Thoughts?

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                    inventor6
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                    The "distortion" is the statement by satan that He will command those who listen to him to distort the religion which got has deemed for man. The distortions of Gods law that you see practised today is proof that many do not believe in the creation (Quran) of God. This is a statement of faith, not material that is why the end of the ayat reads "Anyone who accepts the devil as a lord, instead of GOD, has incurred a profound loss." I hope this explanation is helpful.

                    Peace.

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                      The "distortion" is the statement by satan that He will command those who listen to him to distort the religion which God has deemed for man. The distortions of Gods law that you see practised today is proof that many do not believe in the creation (Quran) of God, therefore they accept a distorted viewpoint. This is a statement of faith, not material that is why the end of the ayat reads "Anyone who accepts the devil as a lord, instead of GOD, has incurred a profound loss." I hope this explanation is helpful.

                      Peace.

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