Hot/"ramadan" Answer
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Now i'll answer your big-bold-moving question
the time frame between 2 shahrs can also be called "1 shahr".But this is arbitrary, can you understand ?
Thank you for concurring to this valuable meaning
SHAHER is the ARABIC WORD FOR the ENGLISH WORD MONTH
Now, SHAHAR RAMADAN equal the ENGLISH WORDS MONTH of RAMADAN
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Peace Belal,
Ayman, let us Cut the chase...If you answer the following, I will give you some creditability
WHAT IS THE QURAINIC ARABIC WORD THAT EQUAL THE ENGLISH WORD "MONTH"?This is an easy question. The god doesn't mention the word "month" in the great reading in the same way that he doesn't mention the word "week" (as you realize by now) and many other things.
Do you mean that there is no Saturday nor Friday in Quran?
2-65, 4-47, 4-154, 7-163, 16-124, 7-163, 62-9Those passages don't mention anything about Frigga day or Saturn day. If you knew what the Arabic words "juma'a" and "sabt" mean then you wouldn't be asking this question.
Peace,
Ayman
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Peace Belal,
This is an easy question. The god doesn't mention the word "month" in the great reading in the same way that he doesn't mention the word "week" (as you realize by now) and many other things.
WHAT IS THE ARABIC WORD THAT IS EQUAL TO THE ENGLISH WORD MONTH
Those passages don't mention anything about Frigga day or Saturn day. If you knew what the Arabic words "juma'a" and "sabt" mean then you wouldn't be asking this question.
wow Can you teach us the correct meaning PLEASE, but after answering the above question as duck did.
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Peace,
I know your time is valuable, but can you tell us HOW MANY DAYS ARE IN 1 SHAHR?Duck, I know you will not let us down by not answering in a straight forward way.
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All actual arabic "months" are 29-30 days .
All gregorian "months" all 30-31 days except fberuary 28-29.Time frame between 2 "shahrs" events ( full moons ) can be called as 1 shahr period (month).
The same way as the time frame between 2 women menstruating "events" can be called as 1 menstruation "period" .I hope i was as clear as you could understand .
Salam
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All actual arabic "months" are 29-30 days .
All gregorian "months" all 30-31 days except fberuary 28-29.Time frame between 2 "shahrs" events ( full moons ) can be called as 1 shahr period (month).
The same way as the time frame between 2 women menstruating "events" can be called as 1 menstruation "period" .I hope i was as clear as you could understand .
Salam
Thank you duck for your post.
By the way I will correct the above red words to the following red words ;DAll actual Lunar "months" are 29-30 days .
Thank you...I'm done with you for now
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Thank you duck for your post.
By the way I will correct the above red words to the following red words ;DAll actual Lunar "months" are 29-30 days .
False ! read this from wikipedia http//en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Month
Types of monthsSidereal month
The period of the Moon's orbit as defined with respect to the celestial sphere (known as esthers) is known as a sidereal month because it is the time it takes the Moon to return to a given position among the stars (Latin sidus) 27.321661 days (27 d 7 h 43 min 11.5 s). This type of month has been observed among cultures in the Middle East, India, and China in the following way they divided the sky into 27 or 28 lunar mansions, identified by the prominent star(s) in them.Tropical month
It is customary to specify positions of celestial bodies with respect to the vernal equinox. Because of precession, this point moves back slowly along the ecliptic. Therefore it takes the Moon less time to return to an ecliptic longitude of zero than to the same point amidst the fixed stars 27.321582 days (27 d 7 h 43 min 4.7 s). This slightly shorter period is known as tropical month; cf. the analogous tropical year of the Sun.Anomalistic month
Like all orbits, the Moon's orbit is an ellipse rather than a circle. However, the orientation (as well as the shape) of this orbit is not fixed. In particular, the position of the extreme points (the line of the apsides perigee and apogee), makes a full circle (lunar precession) in about nine years. It takes the Moon longer to return to the same apsis because it moved ahead during one revolution. This longer period is called the anomalistic month, and has an average length of 27.554551 days (27 d 13 h 18 min 33.2 s). The apparent diameter of the Moon varies with this period, and therefore this type has some relevance for the prediction of eclipses (see Saros), whose extent, duration, and appearance (whether total or annular) depend on the exact apparent diameter of the Moon. The apparent diameter of the full moon varies with the full moon cycle which is the beat period of the synodic and anomalistic month, and also the period after which the apsides point to the Sun again.Draconic month
Also called the nodical month. The orbit of the moon lies in a plane that is tilted with respect to the plane of the ecliptic it has an inclination of about five degrees. The line of intersection of these planes defines two points on the celestial sphere the ascending node, when the moon's path crosses the ecliptic as the moon moves into the northern hemisphere, and descending node when the moon's path crosses the ecliptic as the moon moves into the southern hemisphere. The draconic or nodical month is the average interval between two successive transits of the moon through its ascending node. Because of the sun's gravitational pull on the moon, the moon's orbit gradually rotates westward on its axis, which means the nodes gradually rotate around the earth. As a result, the time it takes the moon to return to the same node is shorter than a sidereal month. It lasts 27.212220 days (27 d 5 h 5 min 35.8 s). The plane of the moon's orbit precesses over a full circle in about 18.6 years.Because the moon's orbit is inclined with respect to the ecliptic, the sun, moon, and earth are in line only when the moon is at one of the nodes. Whenever this happens a solar or lunar eclipse is possible. The name "draconic" refers to a mythical dragon, said to live in the nodes and eat the sun or moon during an eclipse.
Synodic month
This is the average period of the Moon's revolution with respect to the sun. The synodic month is responsible for the moon's phases, because the Moon's appearance depends on the position of the Moon with respect to the Sun as seen from the Earth. While the moon is orbiting the earth, the Earth is progressing in its orbit around the Sun. This means that after completing a sidereal month the Moon must move a little farther to reach the new position of the Earth with respect to the Sun. This longer period is called the synodic month (Greek , sun hod, meaning "with the way ". Because of perturbations in the orbits of the Earth and Moon, the actual time between lunations may range from about 29.27 to about 29.83 days. The long-term average duration is 29.530589 days (29 d 12 h 44 min 2.9 s). The synodic month is used in the Metonic cycle.Month lengths
Here is a list of the average length of the various astronomical lunar months. These are not constant, so a first-order (linear) approximation of the secular change is providedValid for the epoch J2000.0 (1 January 2000 1200 TT)
anomalistic month 27.554549878 - 0.000000010390 ? y days
sidereal month 27.321661547 + 0.000000001857 ? y days
tropical month 27.321582241 + 0.000000001506 ? y days
draconic month 27.212220817 + 0.000000003833 ? y days
synodic month 29.530588853 + 0.000000002162 ? y daysNote time expressed in Ephemeris Time (more precisely Terrestrial Time) with days of 86,400 SI seconds. y is years since the epoch (2000), expressed in Julian years of 365.25 days. Note that for calendrical calculations, one would probably use days measured in the time scale of Universal Time, which follows the somewhat unpredictable rotation of the Earth, and progressively accumulates a difference with ephemeris time called T.
good bye !
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Thank you duck for your post.
By the way I will correct the above red words to the following red words ;DAll actual Lunar "months" are 29-30 days .
Thank you...I'm done with you for now
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Belh.
salam. Do you know why God did not name this period ? (between two shahars,or according to you, a certain moon shape to the same shape again )
siki
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Belh.
salam. Do you know why God did not name this period ? (between two shahars,or according to you, a certain moon shape to the same shape again )
siki
Peace,
As Duck concurred, this period is named by God as the ARABIC WORD SHAHAR; not only in the Quran, but also in the Bible and Old Testament.
God gave the ONE Sun Cycle period the name "Yhom"--Day, The Moon Cycle period (29 to 30 days) the name "Shahar"--Month, and the 12 Moon Cycle Periods "Sana"--Year.
As you can see the Sun and the Moon have to be used to calculate the time periods, which can not be counted unless you use the Sun and the Moon Together, as per 10-5 and 17-12 instructions.Peace
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Peace,
As Duck concurred, this period is named by God as the ARABIC WORD SHAHAR; not only in the Quran, but also in the Bible and Old Testament.
God gave the ONE Sun Cycle period the name "Yhom"--Day, The Moon Cycle period (29 to 30 days) the name "Shahar"--Month, and the 12 Moon Cycle Periods "Sana"--Year.
As you can see the Sun and the Moon have to be used to calculate the time periods, which can not be counted unless you use the Sun and the Moon Together, as per 10-5 and 17-12 instructions.Peace
He never said that God has named this period as shahar in quran, he said that we , the mortals have started to call this period ,as shahar too. Or to clarify , "shahar as month" is an evolved meaning in Arabic, and over a period of time has dominated the original meaning to an extent that the divine meaning has become extinct. Thanks to "Ayman and cronies "that they are trying to revive the original meanings after finding hints from the Quran.
Ok , my question is, why has not God named this period?
siki
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Peace all
The Sign of the Year is the Sun -
The Sign of the Month is the Full Moon -Some here remind me of the people of Bani Israeel in the 2nd Chapter of the Quran asking for more and more details
to Moses about the Calf they were asked to sacrifice.Also accusing others that they are followers of Ayman is slander, one follows the truth, and no one apart from Allah has
monopoly over it. In my view, all humans are amateurs.If you read ayat 105, the Sun is mentioned first, so it has higher emphasis than the moon, the order that Allah enunciate
his Signs is very important, and show level of importance as well as chronology...
The more we elaborate about this matter, the more I get convinced about it...Now talking about following Ayman, I do not, and the proof of the pudding is that I disagree with his on the Jinn cosmogony theory,
and with the fact of the absence of a geographical position of the kaaba, and that the kaaba is a base, as opposed to
a natural protruding rock situated in Jerusalem, and that Masjid Al Aqsa referred to in the Quran is not on Earth, etc.Salam
Noble
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Peace all
The Sign of the Year is the Sun -
The Sign of the Month is the Full Moon -Some here remind me of the people of Bani Israeel in the 2nd Chapter of the Quran asking for more and more details
to Moses about the Calf they were asked to sacrifice.Also accusing others that they are followers of Ayman is slander, one follows the truth, and no one apart from Allah has
monopoly over it. In my view, all humans are amateurs.If you read ayat 105, the Sun is mentioned first, so it has higher emphasis than the moon, the order that Allah enunciate
his Signs is very important, and show level of importance as well as chronology...
The more we elaborate about this matter, the more I get convinced about it...Now talking about following Ayman, I do not, and the proof of the pudding is that I disagree with his on the Jinn cosmogony theory,
and with the fact of the absence of a geographical position of the kaaba, and that the kaaba is a base, as opposed to
a natural protruding rock situated in Jerusalem, and that Masjid Al Aqsa referred to in the Quran is not on Earth, etc.Salam
Noble
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I repeat I don't follow Ayman. I follow what I am convinced of. i Use my reason/brain to figure out...
Ayman did a very good job on the Ramadan issue. if a had to give him a (logical/quranic) mark, it will be 9/10. Sectarian Ramadan (logical/quranic) Mark is 1/10.. that's it !!!
Ayman's Ramadan theory is so far his best work , although the most controversial one.Salam
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Peace,
We can?t count the days and use lunar months as a marker because 1712 doesn?t mention the moon at all.
1712 doesn't mention SUN either. Why aren't you highlighting this fact like you do for the moon. It doesn't talk about long day or short night, it simply says we rendered the night and the day two signs. The fact is day and night is caused by earth spin. Therefore, if the earth did not spin then half of it will be lighted and other half will remain dark all the time. We use night and day to calculated fractions of lunar month. And that is the proper use. Twelve months gives us one lunar year. The new moon serve as the beginning marker and it needs sunlight to perform this job. You are making hadith when you connect the night and day to the sun and use it to satisfy your imagination. Remember there is no sun in 1712. You are beating around the bush to make your point.
Also, there is nothing inherent in a lunar month that marks the year. One can make a lunar calendar with a year consisting of 10, 11, 13, 14, or 1000 lunar months,
The year is marked by 12 months = 1 year (lunar that is). As for the claim that ?One can make a lunar calendar with a year consisting of 10, 11, 13, 14, or 1000 lunar months...?, a disbeliever would do this kind of thing. A believer will use 12 months per 936.
1017 - Who is more evil than one who fabricates lies about GOD, or rejects His revelations. Certainly, the transgressors never succeed.
1019 - The people used to be one congregation, then they disputed. If it were not for a predetermined word from your Lord, they would have been judged immediately regarding their disputes.
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He never said that God has named this period as shahar in quran, he said that we , the mortals have started to call this period ,as shahar too. Or to clarify , "shahar as month" is an evolved meaning in Arabic, and over a period of time has dominated the original meaning to an extent that the divine meaning has become extinct. Thanks to "Ayman and cronies "that they are trying to revive the original meanings after finding hints from the Quran.
Ok , my question is, why has not God named this period?
siki
If you think so, can you answer it yourself; in other words, if Shahar is not the Authentic Arabic Word for Month, what is the One Authentic Word?
If you Search All the Arabic Dictionaries you will Find one Word--Shahar
I dare you, Ayman, and any one to Come with another Word but Shahar.
As far as the "Full Moon" in Arabic Words, please search all the Dictionaries and you will Find Many Authentic Arabic Words, of which Non is Shahar.Shahar = Full Moon is not a well-established nor a Valid Translation as Shahar= Month; The later has overwhelming evidences that can not be denied except by the Hypocrites--the ones who follow the non-well-established meaning to cancel out the well-established ones (3-7)
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Peace
You mean the one approved by the majority.
Since when approving with the majority made one a hypocrite, according to this definition all Prophets were hypocrites.
This is pathetic, lame, irrational, and whimsical reasoning.
LA TAFQAHUNA SHAIAH... YAWAILATA ALAIKUM... -
Peace Belal,
WHAT IS THE ARABIC WORD THAT IS EQUAL TO THE ENGLISH WORD MONTH
I dare you, Ayman, and any one to Come with another Word but Shahar.
It depends on which Arabic you are talking about. Are you talking about Pre-Islamic Arabic or Modern Arabic? I hope that you know that there is a difference.
In the case of the great reading, we are only concerned with Pre-Islamic Arabic. In Pre-Islamic Arabic, the Arabic word for month was ?yarkh? in Northern Arabian dialects and ?warkh? in Southern and Central Arabian dialects. On the other hand, ?shahr? was never used to mean ?month?. This is confirmed by the physical evidence of Pre-Islamic inscriptions
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Southern/Central Arabian dialect (see ?warkh? used to mean month)
http//www.mnh.si.edu/epigraphy/e_pre-islamic/fig04_sabaean.htm -
Northern Arabian dialect (see ?yarkh? used to mean month)
http//www.islamic-awareness.org/History/Islam/Inscriptions/raqush.html
Also, please note that none of the Pre-Islamic inscriptions mention any of the sectarian months? names.
wow Can you teach us the correct meaning PLEASE, but after answering the above question as duck did.
Quickduck already provided you with the meaning and their meaning has nothing to do with the week. Now your turn please provide evidence from the great reading that the week is 7 days.
Ayman, after answering my BIG Question, can you also teach us the true meaning of 5-95, specially these ARABIC WORDS
Thank you for your effort in educating us ;D
First, do you agree that ?kaaba? doesn?t mean a stone cube?
Peace,
Ayman
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