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    belH
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    Correct !

    but can you please quote a verse with ?
    If you don't find, what can we deduce ?
    that it is unquranic ? that it doesn't exist ? or that it is not important as long as we Count 12 full-moons "shahars" in solar year ?

    Good luck !

    P.S please post in bold so everyone could read your answer !

    Salam

    I have told you the arabic word that is equal to WEEK, Now

    WHAT IS THE ARABIC WORD THAT EQUAL THE ENGLISH WORD "MONTH"?

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      ayman
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      Peace Belal,

      God Has mentioned Friday and Saturday in Quran...Now, What is the period between TWO Fridays or Two Saturdays?

      The name Friday comes from the Old English friged?g, meaning the day of Frige the Anglo-Saxon form of Frigg, a West Germanic translation of Latin dies Veneris, "day (of the planet) Venus."

      Saturday was named no later than the second century for the planet (Saturn), which controlled the first hour of that day according to Vettius Valens. The planet was named for the Roman god of agriculture Saturn. It has been called dies Saturni ("Saturn's Day&quot, through which form it entered into Old English as S?ternesd?g and gradually evolved into the word "Saturday". Saturday is the only day of the week in which the English name comes from Roman mythology. The English names of all of the other days of the week come from Germanic polytheism.

      Can you please provide the passages of the great reading where the god mentions the day of the pagan goddess of fertility Frigga (the equivalent of the Roman Venus and the Greek Aphrodite) and the day of Saturn, the Roman pagan god of agriculture?

      Peace,

      Ayman

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        quickduck
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        WHAT IS THE ARABIC WORD THAT EQUAL THE ENGLISH WORD "MONTH"?

        i did'nt notice that you changed you initial question (quranic word to arabic word) ?

        God Has mentioned Friday and Saturday in Quran...Now, What is the period between TWO Fridays or Two Saturdays?

        the Answer should freak you
        The time periode between two fridays is also called " 1 friday "
        eg Belal was traveling for 1 friday . (= for a week)

        Now i'll answer your big-bold-moving question
        the time frame between 2 shahrs can also be called "1 shahr".

        But this is arbitrary, can you understand ?

        Salam

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          belH
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          I see that you took out the word QURANIC. If you did it on purpose then thank you for your honesty and correction. So do you now acknoweldge that the great reading doesn't mention arbitrary manmade calendars and their arbitrary months and weeks?

          Peace,

          Ayman

          Ayman, let us Cut the chase...If you answer the following, I will give you some creditability

          WHAT IS THE QURAINIC ARABIC WORD THAT EQUAL THE ENGLISH WORD "MONTH"?

          Peace Belal,

          The name Friday comes from the Old English friged?g, meaning the day of Frige the Anglo-Saxon form of Frigg, a West Germanic translation of Latin dies Veneris, "day (of the planet) Venus."

          Saturday was named no later than the second century for the planet (Saturn), which controlled the first hour of that day according to Vettius Valens. The planet was named for the Roman god of agriculture Saturn. It has been called dies Saturni ("Saturn's Day&quot, through which form it entered into Old English as S?ternesd?g and gradually evolved into the word "Saturday". Saturday is the only day of the week in which the English name comes from Roman mythology. The English names of all of the other days of the week come from Germanic polytheism.

          Do you mean that there is no Saturday nor Friday in Quran?

          Can you please provide the passages of the great reading where the god mentions the day of the pagan goddess of fertility Frigga (the equivalent of the Roman Venus and the Greek Aphrodite) and the day of Saturn, the Roman pagan god of agriculture?

          Peace,

          Ayman

          2-65, 4-47, 4-154, 7-163, 16-124, 7-163, 62-9

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            ayman
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            Peace Quickduck,

            i did'nt notice that you changed you initial question (quranic word to arabic word) ?

            He did it after I asked him about the QURANIC ARABIC word for WEEK. )

            The time periode between two fridays is also called " 1 friday "
            eg Belal was traveling for 1 friday . (= for a week)

            Belal's question about Friday and Saturday is as irrelevant as asking about January and February.

            Peace,

            Ayman

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              belH
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              Now i'll answer your big-bold-moving question
              the time frame between 2 shahrs can also be called "1 shahr".

              But this is arbitrary, can you understand ?

              Thank you for concurring to this valuable meaning

              SHAHER is the ARABIC WORD FOR the ENGLISH WORD MONTH

              Now, SHAHAR RAMADAN equal the ENGLISH WORDS MONTH of RAMADAN

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                ayman
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                Peace Belal,

                Ayman, let us Cut the chase...If you answer the following, I will give you some creditability
                WHAT IS THE QURAINIC ARABIC WORD THAT EQUAL THE ENGLISH WORD "MONTH"?

                This is an easy question. The god doesn't mention the word "month" in the great reading in the same way that he doesn't mention the word "week" (as you realize by now) and many other things.

                Do you mean that there is no Saturday nor Friday in Quran?
                2-65, 4-47, 4-154, 7-163, 16-124, 7-163, 62-9

                Those passages don't mention anything about Frigga day or Saturn day. If you knew what the Arabic words "juma'a" and "sabt" mean then you wouldn't be asking this question.

                Peace,

                Ayman

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                  belH
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                  Peace Belal,

                  This is an easy question. The god doesn't mention the word "month" in the great reading in the same way that he doesn't mention the word "week" (as you realize by now) and many other things.

                  WHAT IS THE ARABIC WORD THAT IS EQUAL TO THE ENGLISH WORD MONTH

                  Those passages don't mention anything about Frigga day or Saturn day. If you knew what the Arabic words "juma'a" and "sabt" mean then you wouldn't be asking this question.

                  wow Can you teach us the correct meaning PLEASE, but after answering the above question as duck did.

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                    belH
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                    Ayman, after answering my BIG Question, can you also teach us the true meaning of 5-95, specially these ARABIC WORDS

                    Thank you for your effort in educating us ;D

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                      belH
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                      the time frame between 2 shahrs can also be called "1 shahr".

                      Peace,
                      I know your time is valuable, but can you tell us HOW MANY DAYS ARE IN 1 SHAHR?

                      Duck, I know you will not let us down by not answering in a straight forward way.

                      handshake

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                        quickduck
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                        Peace,
                        I know your time is valuable, but can you tell us HOW MANY DAYS ARE IN 1 SHAHR?

                        Duck, I know you will not let us down by not answering in a straight forward way.

                        handshake

                        All actual arabic "months" are 29-30 days .
                        All gregorian "months" all 30-31 days except fberuary 28-29.

                        Time frame between 2 "shahrs" events ( full moons ) can be called as 1 shahr period (month).
                        The same way as the time frame between 2 women menstruating "events" can be called as 1 menstruation "period" .

                        I hope i was as clear as you could understand .

                        Salam

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                          belH
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                          All actual arabic "months" are 29-30 days .
                          All gregorian "months" all 30-31 days except fberuary 28-29.

                          Time frame between 2 "shahrs" events ( full moons ) can be called as 1 shahr period (month).
                          The same way as the time frame between 2 women menstruating "events" can be called as 1 menstruation "period" .

                          I hope i was as clear as you could understand .

                          Salam

                          Thank you duck for your post.
                          By the way I will correct the above red words to the following red words ;D

                          All actual Lunar "months" are 29-30 days .

                          Thank you...I'm done with you for now

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                            quickduck
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                            Thank you duck for your post.
                            By the way I will correct the above red words to the following red words ;D

                            All actual Lunar "months" are 29-30 days .

                            False ! read this from wikipedia http//en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Month
                            Types of months

                            Sidereal month
                            The period of the Moon's orbit as defined with respect to the celestial sphere (known as esthers) is known as a sidereal month because it is the time it takes the Moon to return to a given position among the stars (Latin sidus) 27.321661 days (27 d 7 h 43 min 11.5 s). This type of month has been observed among cultures in the Middle East, India, and China in the following way they divided the sky into 27 or 28 lunar mansions, identified by the prominent star(s) in them.

                            Tropical month
                            It is customary to specify positions of celestial bodies with respect to the vernal equinox. Because of precession, this point moves back slowly along the ecliptic. Therefore it takes the Moon less time to return to an ecliptic longitude of zero than to the same point amidst the fixed stars 27.321582 days (27 d 7 h 43 min 4.7 s). This slightly shorter period is known as tropical month; cf. the analogous tropical year of the Sun.

                            Anomalistic month
                            Like all orbits, the Moon's orbit is an ellipse rather than a circle. However, the orientation (as well as the shape) of this orbit is not fixed. In particular, the position of the extreme points (the line of the apsides perigee and apogee), makes a full circle (lunar precession) in about nine years. It takes the Moon longer to return to the same apsis because it moved ahead during one revolution. This longer period is called the anomalistic month, and has an average length of 27.554551 days (27 d 13 h 18 min 33.2 s). The apparent diameter of the Moon varies with this period, and therefore this type has some relevance for the prediction of eclipses (see Saros), whose extent, duration, and appearance (whether total or annular) depend on the exact apparent diameter of the Moon. The apparent diameter of the full moon varies with the full moon cycle which is the beat period of the synodic and anomalistic month, and also the period after which the apsides point to the Sun again.

                            Draconic month
                            Also called the nodical month. The orbit of the moon lies in a plane that is tilted with respect to the plane of the ecliptic it has an inclination of about five degrees. The line of intersection of these planes defines two points on the celestial sphere the ascending node, when the moon's path crosses the ecliptic as the moon moves into the northern hemisphere, and descending node when the moon's path crosses the ecliptic as the moon moves into the southern hemisphere. The draconic or nodical month is the average interval between two successive transits of the moon through its ascending node. Because of the sun's gravitational pull on the moon, the moon's orbit gradually rotates westward on its axis, which means the nodes gradually rotate around the earth. As a result, the time it takes the moon to return to the same node is shorter than a sidereal month. It lasts 27.212220 days (27 d 5 h 5 min 35.8 s). The plane of the moon's orbit precesses over a full circle in about 18.6 years.

                            Because the moon's orbit is inclined with respect to the ecliptic, the sun, moon, and earth are in line only when the moon is at one of the nodes. Whenever this happens a solar or lunar eclipse is possible. The name "draconic" refers to a mythical dragon, said to live in the nodes and eat the sun or moon during an eclipse.

                            Synodic month
                            This is the average period of the Moon's revolution with respect to the sun. The synodic month is responsible for the moon's phases, because the Moon's appearance depends on the position of the Moon with respect to the Sun as seen from the Earth. While the moon is orbiting the earth, the Earth is progressing in its orbit around the Sun. This means that after completing a sidereal month the Moon must move a little farther to reach the new position of the Earth with respect to the Sun. This longer period is called the synodic month (Greek , sun hod, meaning "with the way &quot. Because of perturbations in the orbits of the Earth and Moon, the actual time between lunations may range from about 29.27 to about 29.83 days. The long-term average duration is 29.530589 days (29 d 12 h 44 min 2.9 s). The synodic month is used in the Metonic cycle.

                            Month lengths
                            Here is a list of the average length of the various astronomical lunar months. These are not constant, so a first-order (linear) approximation of the secular change is provided

                            Valid for the epoch J2000.0 (1 January 2000 1200 TT)

                            anomalistic month 27.554549878 - 0.000000010390 ? y days
                            sidereal month 27.321661547 + 0.000000001857 ? y days
                            tropical month 27.321582241 + 0.000000001506 ? y days
                            draconic month 27.212220817 + 0.000000003833 ? y days
                            synodic month 29.530588853 + 0.000000002162 ? y days

                            Note time expressed in Ephemeris Time (more precisely Terrestrial Time) with days of 86,400 SI seconds. y is years since the epoch (2000), expressed in Julian years of 365.25 days. Note that for calendrical calculations, one would probably use days measured in the time scale of Universal Time, which follows the somewhat unpredictable rotation of the Earth, and progressively accumulates a difference with ephemeris time called T.

                            good bye !

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                              quickduck
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                              BTW

                              means rest /retire

                              means gathering / reunion

                              salam,

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                                siki
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                                Thank you duck for your post.
                                By the way I will correct the above red words to the following red words ;D

                                All actual Lunar "months" are 29-30 days .

                                Thank you...I'm done with you for now

                                )

                                Belh.

                                salam. Do you know why God did not name this period ? (between two shahars,or according to you, a certain moon shape to the same shape again )

                                siki

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                                  belH
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                                  Belh.

                                  salam. Do you know why God did not name this period ? (between two shahars,or according to you, a certain moon shape to the same shape again )

                                  siki

                                  Peace,
                                  As Duck concurred, this period is named by God as the ARABIC WORD SHAHAR; not only in the Quran, but also in the Bible and Old Testament.
                                  God gave the ONE Sun Cycle period the name "Yhom"--Day, The Moon Cycle period (29 to 30 days) the name "Shahar"--Month, and the 12 Moon Cycle Periods "Sana"--Year.
                                  As you can see the Sun and the Moon have to be used to calculate the time periods, which can not be counted unless you use the Sun and the Moon Together, as per 10-5 and 17-12 instructions.

                                  Peace

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                                    belH
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                                    False ! read this from wikipedia http//en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Month

                                    If you are a Researcher, then you should know that wikipedia is not a Valid nor Reliable source of information. Therefore, it will be a waste of time to analyze information that is Junk.

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                                      belH
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                                      BTW

                                      means rest /retire

                                      means gathering / reunion

                                      salam,

                                      Duck, do (Sabaat) and (Jom3a) mark specific days within the 7 days period of time? In other words, are the two days repeated every 7 days (7 Sun Cycles)?

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                                        siki
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                                        Peace,
                                        As Duck concurred, this period is named by God as the ARABIC WORD SHAHAR; not only in the Quran, but also in the Bible and Old Testament.
                                        God gave the ONE Sun Cycle period the name "Yhom"--Day, The Moon Cycle period (29 to 30 days) the name "Shahar"--Month, and the 12 Moon Cycle Periods "Sana"--Year.
                                        As you can see the Sun and the Moon have to be used to calculate the time periods, which can not be counted unless you use the Sun and the Moon Together, as per 10-5 and 17-12 instructions.

                                        Peace

                                        He never said that God has named this period as shahar in quran, he said that we , the mortals have started to call this period ,as shahar too. Or to clarify , "shahar as month" is an evolved meaning in Arabic, and over a period of time has dominated the original meaning to an extent that the divine meaning has become extinct. Thanks to "Ayman and cronies "that they are trying to revive the original meanings after finding hints from the Quran.

                                        Ok , my question is, why has not God named this period?

                                        siki

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                                          noble
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                                          Peace all
                                          The Sign of the Year is the Sun -
                                          The Sign of the Month is the Full Moon -

                                          Some here remind me of the people of Bani Israeel in the 2nd Chapter of the Quran asking for more and more details
                                          to Moses about the Calf they were asked to sacrifice.

                                          Also accusing others that they are followers of Ayman is slander, one follows the truth, and no one apart from Allah has
                                          monopoly over it. In my view, all humans are amateurs.

                                          If you read ayat 105, the Sun is mentioned first, so it has higher emphasis than the moon, the order that Allah enunciate
                                          his Signs is very important, and show level of importance as well as chronology...
                                          The more we elaborate about this matter, the more I get convinced about it...

                                          Now talking about following Ayman, I do not, and the proof of the pudding is that I disagree with his on the Jinn cosmogony theory,
                                          and with the fact of the absence of a geographical position of the kaaba, and that the kaaba is a base, as opposed to
                                          a natural protruding rock situated in Jerusalem, and that Masjid Al Aqsa referred to in the Quran is not on Earth, etc.

                                          Salam

                                          Noble

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