Hot/"ramadan" Answer
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Peace guest,
I think dissing you hard got over the top somehow, but do you still need to be this paranoid?
It is really annoying, I cannot have a conversation with someone who brandishes satanic and hypocrite and hell fire
every other sentence, are you also obsessed with these things, you are scared they might be in you too?
This ping pong of accusations will never end.
Listen the scholars I meant were not Messengers or Prophets oki?
But if you look at the Book, even Prophets go through learning curves, learn from mistakes, and do reprehensible things,
Allah bothers to quote these examples so that we see that they are humans, and that there is nothing inherently wrong in making a mistake, what is wrong is thinking we will never make mistakes, never learning from mistakes, not repenting from mistakes, and not repairing mistakes.
You do not seem to be in this forum to learn anything, you just come to accuse, and attack, I am sorry but this is not an attitude I can sympathise with...
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Peace Eid,
You just wasted one more electronic page and achieved nothing contributing to more global warming lol rotflPeace theNabster,
Instead of grinning like (the ignorant) (apes despised) gather yourself and simply go outside Nov 2nd 41 days from today watch the 100% full moon before sunset.
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1701 2.5 66.7 1.00
1702 2.7 66.9 1.00
1703 2.8 67.0 1.00
1704 3.0 67.1 1.00
1705 3.1 67.3 1.00
1706 3.3 67.4 1.00
1707 3.5 67.6 1.00Altitude and Azimuth of the Sun
Nov 2, 2009
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(E of N)1700 0.8 250.3
1701 0.6 250.5
1702 0.4 250.6
1703 0.3 250.8
1704 0.1 250.9
1705 -0.0 251.1
1706 -0.8 251.2
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Peace
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Peace Eid,
That was an example, could?ve used any number of words including The Romans which according to your Lisaan alarab 13th & lane's lexicon 19th century holy books can be confused with desired, to seek, to wait/pause/expect, be patient, to mock/ridicule, and I wrote?
?Best meaning is derived from context not always dictionaries like to error imply deeds are physical ashes and not that their actions are starved like ashes blown in the wind.?
Similarly if we ask what is ?July? people say a month, little to do with Julius Caesar from which it derives.So what it the best meaning for "ramadhan" according to you? A meaningless name of an arbitrary month? Or the circular and nonsensical "month of fast" so that when the god says "shahr ramadhan" he means "the month of the month of fast" according to your logic?
Circular is to imply falyasumhu so he should fast the fasting when it refers to the month.
What month? You said "ramadhan" means the "month of fast" so "shahr ramadhan" according to you means "the month of the month of fast". Can't you provide even a half-decent answer that doesn't reduce 2185 into nonsense?
No straw-man, you?re habitual at projecting your opinions into the posts of others. Nothing about who do not make a vow/intent not obligated, it simply says what it says.
1926 so say that I made a vow to The Merciful a fast...2185 clearly says "whoever amongst you xxxx should fast". Regardless of what xxxx means (vow or whatever other imaginary meanings you can make up), this implies that "those amongst you who don't xxxx are not oligated to fast". This is basic logic. You talk about strawman because you only see as far as your nose and fail to see the logical implications of your own interpretation.
So now you?re restriction is better as if a contest of sorts.
You are evading the question because you know that you have no answer.
Already posted not about global hunting; simply a local restriction during the gathering like a lollapalooza concert with no street vendors so be prepared same as you would not go empty to your hajj feast?
This has already been proven false. Why do you keep repeating false arguments? The things that are in 51-2 (honoring contracts, the livestock being made lawful, not hunting while restricted) clearly don't apply only around Mecca and only during "hajj". In fact, "hajj" is nowhere mentioned.
Again, the question is
How does restricting hunting only on the 8th to 13th of Dhu Al-Hijjah and only on people walking half-naked while wearing nothing but towels and only in the vicinity of Mecca would be better for wild life than a global hunting restriction for the summer season?
I answered all your questions but so far you can't answer any of my questions.
Again straw-man thread is about timing which all evidence, logic and common sense (e.g. the blind and people in cloudy weather get free pass) points to contradiction.
What strawman? Do you deny the following facts
- Your arbitrary "restricted months" are haphazardly arranged as months 11, 12, 1 and 7 and are not consecutive?
- There is nothing that anyone knew about the Islamic calendar in pre-Islamic times, including the start of the era, the order of the months or the names of the months (all of which the location of its months are based on).
Instead of happily repeating "strawman" like it is a new word you just learned, support your nonsensical calendar by providing evidence denying the above facts and prove that I am indeed building a strawman.
Not if your vision is poor or if it?s cloudy outside you won?t.
Now this is a real strawman. Please tell me where the word "witness" is in 91-3. The ONLY time witnessing is mentioned is in relation to the fast. This is it.
No disputes straw man; the new crescents are precisely calculated forward/backwards. I know exactly when to fast.
It is not a strawman unless you can disprove the following reality
Ramadan Start- Friday 21-August
Libya, Turkey, Lebanon (Shiites), Kosovo, Macedonia, Romania, Bosnia, Herzegovina, Serbia, Bulgaria, Montenegro, Albania, Slovenia, Russia, Germany, EU (The European Council for Fatwa and Research).Ramadan Start ? Saturday 22-August
Indonesia, Malaysia, Sri Lanka, Philippines, China, Egypt, Saudi Arabia, Qatar, Kuwait, Bahrain, United Arab Emirates, Syria, Lebanon (Sunni), Jordan, Palestine, Sudan, Yemen, Iraq, Iran, France, Belgium, Spain, Switzerland, USA (Following Saudi), UK.Ramadan Start ? Sunday 23-August
India, Pakistan, Bangladesh, USA (some communities by actual local sighting)Again, all the above sources (Libya, Bosnia, Egypt, Saudi, India, Pakistan, etc.) that are independent from you and me didn't conspire with me against you just to prove you wrong. The above is the reality of what happened. What you are saying (that there is no dispute) is only in your wishful imagination.
When did you start your fast by the way?
Again straw man the moon was clearly in the sky at sunset.
Again, you are biased and therefore looking at things from a biased point of view. Please post an independent source (like I did) showing that there was ever a dispute on when the full-moon occurs. If you can't then just be honest and admit it.
More importantly, just like guest, Belal and a billion sectarians, I am not surprised that you evade answering the most important question
How your Ramadhan and your Hajj on the 8th to the 13th of Dhu Al-Hijjah and your restricted months (Muharam, Rajab, Dhu Al-Qi3da, Dhu Al-Hijjah, or whatever) are based purely on the god's words from the great reading and not on some unknown people or some guy named Umar arbitrarily deciding the order the months and the start of year 1 month 1 or on what the majority or Mullahs say or on Hadiths or any other such crap.
You clearly have ZERO answer.
Peace,
Ayman
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How your Ramadhan and your Hajj on the 8th to the 13th of Dhu Al-Hijjah and your restricted months (Muharam, Rajab, Dhu Al-Qi3da, Dhu Al-Hijjah, or whatever) are based purely on the god's words from the great reading and not on some unknown people or some guy named Umar arbitrarily deciding the order the months and the start of year 1 month 1 or on what the majority or Mullahs say or on Hadiths or any other such crap.
Correction it's Zul Hijjah, Muharram, Safar and Rabi Awwal.
92 Therefore, roam the land for four months and know that you will not escape God, and that God will humiliate the rejecters.
According to you, is Ramadan also a month for the hajj?
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Peace Progressive1993,
Correction it's Zul Hijjah, Muharram, Safar and Rabi Awwal.
92 Therefore, roam the land for four months and know that you will not escape God, and that God will humiliate the rejecters.Please see
http//en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Islamic_calendar
"The three successive forbidden months mentioned by Muhammad (months in which battles are forbidden) are Dhu al-Qi'dah, Dhu al-Hijjah, and Muharram, months 11, 12, and 1. The single forbidden month is Rajab, month 7."
Please provide a source that indicates that they are "Zul Hijjah, Muharram, Safar and Rabi Awwal" and not "Zul-Qiidah, Zul Hijjah, Muharram, Safar" or "Shawwal, Zul Hijjah, Muharram, Safar" or "Ramadhan, Shawwal, Zul Qiidah, Zul Hijjah", etc.
According to you, is Ramadan also a month for the hajj?
Out of the four inviolable full moons, the first one is for the fast and the following three are for the feast.
Peace,
Ayman
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Peace Ayman,
http//en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Islamic_calendar
"The three successive forbidden months mentioned by Muhammad (months in which battles are forbidden) are Dhu al-Qi'dah, Dhu al-Hijjah, and Muharram, months 11, 12, and 1. The single forbidden month is Rajab, month 7."
According to hadith fabricators and their followers, yes, but not according to God's words
92 Therefore, roam the land for four months and know that you will not escape God, and that God will humiliate the rejecters.
They are consecutive.
Please provide a source that indicates that they are "Zul Hijjah, Muharram, Safar and Rabi Awwal" and not "Zul-Qiidah, Zul Hijjah, Muharram, Safar" or "Shawwal, Zul Hijjah, Muharram, Safar" or "Ramadhan, Shawwal, Zul Qiidah, Zul Hijjah", etc.
Edip-Layth - End Note 7 (937)
Today's Sunni and Shiite mushriks consider Rajab, Zul-Qada, Zul-Hijja, and Muharram to be the Restricted Months (the 7th, 11th, 12th, and 1st months of lunar calendar). However, when we study 2197,217; 92,5,36 and the names of known months, we will discover that real Restricted Months must be four consecutive months and they are Zul-Hijja, Muharram, Safar, Rabi ul-Awal (12th, 1st, 2nd, and 3rd months). The very name of the 12th month, Zul- Hijja (Contains Haj), gives us a clue that it is the first month of haj pilgrimage. When we start from the 12th month, the last of the Restricted Months becomes the 3rd month, Rabi ul-Awal (First Fourth), and the very name of this month also is revealing; it suggests that it is the fourth month of the Restricted Months. Then, why the qualification "First"? Well, the name of the following month provides an explanation Rabi ul-Akhir (Second Fourth), which is the fourth month from the beginning of the year. In other words we have two months called "Fourth," the first one referring to the fourth restricted moth, with the second fourth referring to the fourth month of the lunar year. The word rabi (fourth) is used for seasons because each season is one fourth of a year. It is interesting that many of the crimes and distortions mentioned in the Quran have been committed by those who have abandoned the Quran for the sake of hadith and sunna; they repeated the same blunder of their polytheist ancestors.
Out of the four inviolable full moons, the first one is for the fast and the following three are for the feast.
With the above statement I assume you mean that Ramadan is not a month (or full moon, if you like) for the hajj. This is clearly against the Quran
2197 The hajj is in the four known months. So, whosoever decides to perform the hajj in them, then there shall be no sexual approach, nor vileness, nor quarreling in the hajj. Any good that you do, God is aware of it; and bring provisions for yourselves, though the best provision is awareness; and be conscientious of Me O you who possesses intelligence.
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It depends on which translation, look at this one (based on another tafsir)
(in arabic it does not give a number it just say months maalumaat)
2197 The Hajj (pilgrimage) is (in) the well-known (lunar year) months (i.e. the 10th month, the 11th month
and the first ten days of the 12th month of the Isl?mic calendar, i.e. two months and ten days). So
whosoever intends to perform Hajj therein by assuming Ihr?m), then he should not have sexual
relations (with his wife), nor commit sin, nor dispute unjustly during the Hajj. And whatever good you
do, (be sure) All?h knows it. And take a provision (with you) for the journey, but the best provision is
At-Taqwa (piety, righteousness, etc.). So fear Me, O men of understanding....The Noble Quran
In the English Language
A Summarized Version of At-Tabari, Al-Qurtubi and Ibn Kathir
with comments from Sahih Al-Bukhari
By
Dr. Muhammad Taqi-ud-Din Al-Hilali, Ph.D.
Dr. Muhammad Muhsin Khan -
Peace Progressive1993,
According to hadith fabricators and their followers, yes, but not according to God's words
92 Therefore, roam the land for four months and know that you will not escape God, and that God will humiliate the rejecters.
They are consecutive.I know that the inviolable full-moons are consecutive. On the other hand, the sectarian calendar doesn't have them as consecutive. So we know that the sectarian calendar is false since they arbitrarily select the inviolable period and make it not consecutive.
Edip-Layth - End Note 7 (937)
Today's Sunni and Shiite mushriks consider Rajab, Zul-Qada, Zul-Hijja, and Muharram to be the Restricted Months (the 7th, 11th, 12th, and 1st months of lunar calendar). However, when we study 2197,217; 92,5,36 and the names of known months, we will discover that real Restricted Months must be four consecutive months and they are Zul-Hijja, Muharram, Safar, Rabi ul-Awal (12th, 1st, 2nd, and 3rd months). The very name of the 12th month, Zul- Hijja (Contains Haj), gives us a clue that it is the first month of haj pilgrimage. When we start from the 12th month, the last of the Restricted Months becomes the 3rd month, Rabi ul-Awal (First Fourth), and the very name of this month also is revealing; it suggests that it is the fourth month of the Restricted Months. Then, why the qualification "First"? Well, the name of the following month provides an explanation Rabi ul-Akhir (Second Fourth), which is the fourth month from the beginning of the year. In other words we have two months called "Fourth," the first one referring to the fourth restricted moth, with the second fourth referring to the fourth month of the lunar year. The word rabi (fourth) is used for seasons because each season is one fourth of a year. It is interesting that many of the crimes and distortions mentioned in the Quran have been committed by those who have abandoned the Quran for the sake of hadith and sunna; they repeated the same blunder of their polytheist ancestors.Layth and Edip timing is just as arbitrary as sectarians and they are just as clueless
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First of all, just because someone named a month "Zul-Hijja", this doesn't mean that it contains Hajj (unless you take "zul-hijja" as a common noun, like I did with "ramadhan". So here Edip and Layth are contradicting themselves. They take Ramadhan as a meaningless name that has nothing to do with its meaning of "scorching heat" and on the other hand they take Zul-Hijjah as meaningful and having something to do with its meaning. They are clearly caught in their inconsistencies.
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Who said that Zul-Hijja must be the first month? Why not the last or in the middle? They just selected it arbitrarily as the first one.
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Moreover, their timing is 100% dependent on the order of the months. What if Rajab was originally month 10 or month 2 but the sectarians changed its place? Since all the names are meaningless anyway, the names can be arbitrarily rearranged.
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As I said, the names in the sectarian calendar are meaningless. So let's call them month 1, 2, 3, .... 12. Now you are saying that months 12, 1, 2, and 3 are restricted. But there is nothing inherent in month 1 that makes it month 1. So had the sectarians decided to start the count a month later then Edip and Layth's present month 12 would be a month later.
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In fact, the sectarian (and Edip and Layth per the note) timing is tied to year 1 month 1 and can never be independent from it because they have been counting continuously since that time and didn't stop at 12. Recycling the names or labels of the months every 12 is not counting 12 as the god ordered in 936. They are now counting month #17170.
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Layth and Edip confuse Rabi ul-Akhir and call it (Second Fourth). I expect such ignorant blunders from Edip but I never expected Layth to ignorantly confuse (grazing/spring) with (fourth). Again, all this is besides the point anyway since in Edip's and Layth's world those months are meaningless labels anyway, otherwise they have to apply the same logic to "ramadhan" (scorching heat).
There are many other logical problems. I hope that this is not Layth's view but is just Edip as I expect such ignorance from him but Layth is generally a little more careful when it comes to making baseless assumptions.
With the above statement I assume you mean that Ramadan is not a month (or full moon, if you like) for the hajj. This is clearly against the Quran
2197 The hajj is in the four known months. So, whosoever decides to perform the hajj in them, then there shall be no sexual approach, nor vileness, nor quarreling in the hajj. Any good that you do, God is aware of it; and bring provisions for yourselves, though the best provision is awareness; and be conscientious of Me O you who possesses intelligence.Where does it say FOUR in 2197? Please give the Arabic and underline the word.
Peace,
Ayman
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Peace Nabeel,
It depends on which translation, look at this one (based on another tafsir)
(in arabic it does not give a number it just say months maalumaat)
2197 The Hajj (pilgrimage) is (in) the well-known (lunar year) months (i.e. the 10th month, the 11th month
and the first ten days of the 12th month of the Isl?mic calendar, i.e. two months and ten days). So
whosoever intends to perform Hajj therein by assuming Ihr?m), then he should not have sexual
relations (with his wife), nor commit sin, nor dispute unjustly during the Hajj. And whatever good you
do, (be sure) All?h knows it. And take a provision (with you) for the journey, but the best provision is
At-Taqwa (piety, righteousness, etc.). So fear Me, O men of understanding....
The Noble Quran
In the English Language
A Summarized Version of At-Tabari, Al-Qurtubi and Ibn Kathir
with comments from Sahih Al-Bukhari
By
Dr. Muhammad Taqi-ud-Din Al-Hilali, Ph.D.
Dr. Muhammad Muhsin KhanThis is intereting because the "shahr" and ten days maybe some of the traces left from the original practice from before the corruption.
Peace,
Ayman
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Correction it's Zul Hijjah, Muharram, Safar and Rabi Awwal.
92 Therefore, roam the land for four months and know that you will not escape God, and that God will humiliate the rejecters.
Peace,
If what you say is true, then the following can be concludedWednesday 21 March 630 C.E. is the day when 1 st Zul Hijjah year 8 (the year when the prophet concord The restricted City, and I believe when chapter 9 was revealed) was.
That tell us the following
The first day of Ramadan was in Friday 22 December 629 C.E.
The 4 restricted months started on spring time and ended on July 630 C.E.
The Prophet had to fight during the Hot season, Which is true according to this verse in the same chapter 9Those who have remained are happy with their position of lagging behind the messenger of God, and they disliked striving with their money and lives in the cause of God; and they say Do not mobilize in the heat. Say The fire of Hell is much hotter, if they could only understand.
981The above information are the most logic conclusions that are confirmed by the Quran.
On the other hand, according to Ayman, Fasting was in July year 8 (Arabic Calender), therefore, verse 981 is not true (we have to cancel out); hint, the four restricted month would have ended in Fall or winter time and never in Hot season.To all, when Ayman (or even our Imam, Nabster) answers my two questions I posted for him before, please PM me so I can reply.
My Questions were, how many days are in the 4 restricted months? or how many days or years are in the 30 months that in verse 46-15.May God bless the true believers, and guide those who are seeking his truth.
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Peace Belal,
If what you say is true, then the following can be concluded
Wednesday 21 March 630 C.E. is the day when 1 st Zul Hijjah year 8 (the year when the prophet concord The restricted City, and I believe when chapter 9 was revealed) was.
That tell us the following
The first day of Ramadan was in Friday 22 December 629 C.E.
The 4 restricted months started on spring time and ended on July 630 C.E.
The Prophet had to fight during the Hot season, Which is true according to this verse in the same chapter 9
Those who have remained are happy with their position of lagging behind the messenger of God, and they disliked striving with their money and lives in the cause of God; and they say Do not mobilize in the heat. Say The fire of Hell is much hotter, if they could only understand.
981
The above information are the most logic conclusions that are confirmed by the Quran.
On the other hand, according to Ayman, Fasting was in July year 8 (Arabic Calender), therefore, verse 981 is not true (we have to cancel out); hint, the four restricted month would have ended in Fall or winter time and never in Hot season.
To all, when Ayman (or even our Imam, Nabster) answers my two questions I posted for him before, please PM me so I can reply.
My Questions were, how many days are in the 4 restricted months? or how many days or years are in the 30 months that in verse 46-15.
May God bless the true believers, and guide those who are seeking his truth.You are building dreams using thin air as walls. I think that this is so clear that anyone who doesn't see this deserves to be misguided.
Peace,
Ayman
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Peace Belal,
You are building dreams using thin air as walls. I think that this is so clear that anyone who doesn't see this deserves to be misguided.
Peace,
Ayman
rotfl
OOOPS...Is that was a possible answer to your question?
On the other hand, Belal and Eid act like they are all progressive and logical when in fact they are no different from Farida and Guest but instead of admitting the obvious, they claim to be following the great reading and then turn on their heels and run away from answering
How your Ramadhan and your Hajj on the 8th to the 13th of Dhu Al-Hijjah and your restricted months (Muharam, Rajab, Dhu Al-Qi3da, Dhu Al-Hijjah, or whatever) are based purely on the god's words from the great reading and not on some unknown people or some guy named Umar arbitrarily deciding the order the months and the start of year 1 month 1 or on what the majority or Mullahs say or on Hadiths or any other such crap.
Peace,
Ayman
I think it is...Now it is your turn to answer my questions...Take a deep breath and go for it.
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Peace Ayman,
Yeah, I miss the comic relief too . But seriously, Farida and Guest at least have implicitly admitted the obvious, which is that they are blindly following "the companions", "the believers" or "the scholars" (whatever they imagine those things to be).
Lies and more lies is your motto. You say believers are telling people to drink camel?s urine and dip flies in their food and now you are spreading lies about me of blindly following scholars. I hope you realize that these are bad behavior. You don?t even know the definition of believer. You have to be a believer to know a believer. I said ?The God tells us that we can accept the teaching of scholar provided it is in line with the Quran.? Now, what kind of deduction mechanism did you used to convert this statement into a blind follower?
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Peace Guest,
Lies and more lies is your motto. You say believers are telling people to drink camel?s urine and dip flies in their food and now you are spreading lies about me of blindly following scholars. I hope you realize that these are bad behavior. You don?t even know the definition of believer. You have to be a believer to know a believer. I said ?The God tells us that we can accept the teaching of scholar provided it is in line with the Quran.? Now, what kind of deduction mechanism did you used to convert this statement into a blind follower?
Do you suffer from somekind of inferiority complex? Instead of mindlessly repeating "I am not a blind follower of scholars" and "I am a believer" to bolster your self image, just do it. No intelligent person cares if you say a hundred times "I am a believer and Ayman is not". Your argument style is like that of a 5 year old child.
Which of your moronic scholars (name them and tell us exactly what they said) and which of their false teachings on the timing are in line with the great reading? Did the great reading tell you any of the following
- To arbitrarily go on your so-called Hajj from the 8th to the 13th of Dhu Al-Hjjah?
- To arbitrarily choose months 11, 12, 1, and 7 or 11,12,1,2 or 12,1,2,3 (as Belal baselessly assumes) or 10,11,12,1 or 9,10,11,12 or whatever as restricted.
- To have the placement of your so-called Ramadhan dependent on arbitrarily choosing the year 622CE to start the calendar.
- To have the placement of your so-called Ramadhan dependent on arbitrarily choosing any haphazard month (not even the month of the supposed Hijra) as month 1?
- To have the placement of your so-called Ramadhan dependent on an arbitrary order of the months?
- To take the god's word "ramadhan/scorching heat" as meaningless info that doesn't reflect the truth about the timing?
You and Belal and all sectarians who claim to follow the great reading will continue to expose your hypocrisy unless you can at least address the above 6 issues so that you can answer the following question
How your Ramadhan and your Hajj on the 8th to the 13th of Dhu Al-Hijjah and your restricted months (Muharam, Rajab, Dhu Al-Qi3da, Dhu Al-Hijjah, or whatever) are based purely on the god's words from the great reading and not on some unknown people or some guy named Umar arbitrarily deciding the order the months and the start of year 1 month 1 or on what the majority or Mullahs say or on Hadiths or any other such crap.
I know that even a billion sectarians can't answer so please don't do like Belal and don't dream up a bunch of idiotic nonsense full of baseless assumptions that fails to address any of the above issues and therefore cannot answer the question.
Peace,
Ayman
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Peace All,
I know that even a billion sectarians can't answer so please don't do like Belal and don't dream up a bunch of idiotic nonsense full of baseless assumptions that fails to address any of the above issues and therefore cannot answer the question.
Ayman, calm down...Be constructive when criticizing so we can all learn.
My assumptions and conclusion are based on Quran ( 9-81 tell us that the four restricted months ended around Summer Time) and science (using the date converter to identify the season in which the four restricted moon cycles and Ramadan occurred when chapter 9 was revealed).Before I follow any opinion I examine it using the Quran and other sound data...Therefore, I examined Brother Layth opinion. The result is "Layth's Opinion does not violate the Quran or the scientific data, and yours violates both...does that makes you angry enough to call me names?
I'm still waiting for your answer to my two questions.
Peace all
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Peace All,
...does that makes you angry enough to call me names?
I'm still waiting for your answer to my two questions.
Peace all
Peace
Peace All,
...does that makes you angry enough to call me names?
A common methodology adopted by anyone who lacks arguements
I'm still waiting for your answer to my two questions.
Which you will never get probably.
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Peace Bro Ayman,
Regarding some of the idiotic comments made by the slanderer, 981 refers to the battle of Tabuq to which the Prophet led an expedition in October.
In that year there was a drought, abnormal heat, and famine, this is well documented...
since some of these who post here will only believe "infallible" muslim scholars, this is what Ibn Kathir Tafsir says about itdeep breath
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981 Those who stayed away (from Tabuk expedition) rejoiced in their staying behind the Messenger of
All?h; they hated to strive and fight with their properties and their lives in the Cause of All?h, and
they said "March not forth in the heat." Say "The Fire of Hell is more intense in heat", if only they
could understand!9117 All?h has forgiven the Prophet (SAW), the Muhajir?n (Muslim emigrants who left their homes and
came to Al-Madinah) and the Ansar (Muslims of Al-Madinah) who followed him (Muhammad SAW) in
the time of distress (Tab?k expedition, etc.), after the hearts of a party of them had nearly deviated
(from the Right Path), but He accepted their repentance. Certainly, He is unto them full of Kindness,
Most Merciful.9118 And (He did forgive also) the three left (i.e. he did not give his judgement in their case, and their case was suspended for All?h's
Decision) till for them the earth, vast as it is, was straitened and their ownselves were straitened to
them, and they perceived that there is no fleeing from All?h, and no refuge but with Him. Then, He
accepted their repentance, that they might repent (unto Him). Verily, All?h is the One Who accepts
repentance, Most Merciful.Battle of Tabuk
Mujahid and several others said, "This Ayah was revealed concerning the battle of Tabuk.
They left for that battle during a period of distress.
It was a year with little rain, intense heat and scarcity of supplies and water.''
Qatadah said, "They went to Ash-Sham during the year of the battle of Tabuk at a time when the heat was intense.
Allah knew how hard things were, and they suffered great hardship. We were told that two men used to divide a date between themselves. Some of them would take turns in sucking on a date and drinking water, then give it to another man to suck on. Allah forgave them and allowed them to come back from that battle.''
Ibn Jarir reported thatAbdullah binAbbas said thatUmar bin Al-Khattab was reminded of the battle of distress (Tabuk) andUmar said, "We went with the Messenger of Allah in the intense heat for Tabuk. We camped at a place in which we were stricken so hard by thirst that we thought that our necks would be severed. One of us used to go out in search of water and did not return until he feared that his neck would be severed. One would slaughter his camel, squeeze its intestines and drink its content, placing whatever was left on his kidney. Abu Bakr As-Siddiq said,O Allah's Messenger! Allah, the Exalted and Most Honored, has always accepted your invocation, so invoke Allah for us.' The Prophet said, (Would you like me to do that) Abu Bakr said,Yes.' The Prophet raised his hands and did not put them down until rain fell from the sky in abundance. It rained and then stopped raining for a while, then rained again, so they filled their containers. We went out to see where the rain reached and found that it did not rain beyond our camp.''' Ibn Jarir said about Allah's statement, 9117 , 9118."
As for the time for the Battle of Tabuk, it can be found out from several sources that it was in October, so not in the Summer!!!... -
Peace Bro Ayman,
Regarding some of the idiotic comments made by the slanderer, 981 refers to the battle of Tabuq to which the Prophet led an expedition in October.
In that year there was a drought, abnormal heat, and famine, this is well documented...
since some of these who post here will only believe "infallible" muslim scholars, this is what Ibn Kathir Tafsir says about itdeep breath
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981 Those who stayed away (from Tabuk expedition) rejoiced in their staying behind the Messenger of
All?h; they hated to strive and fight with their properties and their lives in the Cause of All?h, and
they said "March not forth in the heat." Say "The Fire of Hell is more intense in heat", if only they
could understand!9117 All?h has forgiven the Prophet (SAW), the Muhajir?n (Muslim emigrants who left their homes and
came to Al-Madinah) and the Ansar (Muslims of Al-Madinah) who followed him (Muhammad SAW) in
the time of distress (Tab?k expedition, etc.), after the hearts of a party of them had nearly deviated
(from the Right Path), but He accepted their repentance. Certainly, He is unto them full of Kindness,
Most Merciful.9118 And (He did forgive also) the three left (i.e. he did not give his judgement in their case, and their case was suspended for All?h's
Decision) till for them the earth, vast as it is, was straitened and their ownselves were straitened to
them, and they perceived that there is no fleeing from All?h, and no refuge but with Him. Then, He
accepted their repentance, that they might repent (unto Him). Verily, All?h is the One Who accepts
repentance, Most Merciful.Battle of Tabuk
Mujahid and several others said, "This Ayah was revealed concerning the battle of Tabuk.
They left for that battle during a period of distress.
It was a year with little rain, intense heat and scarcity of supplies and water.''
Qatadah said, "They went to Ash-Sham during the year of the battle of Tabuk at a time when the heat was intense.
Allah knew how hard things were, and they suffered great hardship. We were told that two men used to divide a date between themselves. Some of them would take turns in sucking on a date and drinking water, then give it to another man to suck on. Allah forgave them and allowed them to come back from that battle.''
Ibn Jarir reported thatAbdullah binAbbas said thatUmar bin Al-Khattab was reminded of the battle of distress (Tabuk) andUmar said, "We went with the Messenger of Allah in the intense heat for Tabuk. We camped at a place in which we were stricken so hard by thirst that we thought that our necks would be severed. One of us used to go out in search of water and did not return until he feared that his neck would be severed. One would slaughter his camel, squeeze its intestines and drink its content, placing whatever was left on his kidney. Abu Bakr As-Siddiq said,O Allah's Messenger! Allah, the Exalted and Most Honored, has always accepted your invocation, so invoke Allah for us.' The Prophet said, (Would you like me to do that) Abu Bakr said,Yes.' The Prophet raised his hands and did not put them down until rain fell from the sky in abundance. It rained and then stopped raining for a while, then rained again, so they filled their containers. We went out to see where the rain reached and found that it did not rain beyond our camp.''' Ibn Jarir said about Allah's statement, 9117 , 9118."
As for the time for the Battle of Tabuk, it can be found out from several sources that it was in October, so not in the Summer!!!...Peace
Do not jump into the lap of fabricated history and ahadith.
How come now they have become "reliable" ??
Contradiction /cotnradiction /conradiction between words and action.If someone else quotes from Tabari ,will you accept it ? First decide it .
Regards -
Peace Belal,
Ayman, calm down...Be constructive when criticizing so we can all learn.
My assumptions and conclusion are based on Quran ( 9-81 tell us that the four restricted months ended around Summer Time) and science (using the date converter to identify the season in which the four restricted moon cycles and Ramadan occurred when chapter 9 was revealed).If you want constructive criticism then here is the most constructive thing anyone here ever gave you Don't start from the sectarian calendar and desperetly work backwards to justify it and instead start from a pure mind free of preconceptions.
981 doesn't say that the four restricted months ended around summer time. Can you please copy and paste the passage that says that the event in 981 came immediately after 91-3 and that everything in the 77 passages between 91-3 and 981 we can just forget about? The fact is that all we know is that 981 happened after 91-3 and was in the hot time of the year and from 986 that a passage was revealed around that time. We don't know if it is a few months after or one year after or 5 years after 91-3. So you are making a baseless assumption.
The other baseless assumption you are making is that the restricted "months" are the sectarian restricted months but starting from Zul Hijjah. So you know that the sectarian calendar is false and yet you hypocritically continue to base your nonsense on it.
The other nonsense in your argument is that you conveniently forget that the so-called Islamic calendar was not even established at that time. The months in the Islamic calendar are 100% dependent on when month 1 started and the year where the new era was made to start, all of which were arbitrarily decided later supposedly at the time of Umar. You have no idea when the so-called Islamic Calendar was established and even if it was established earlier this has zero impact on the fact that it is arbitrary and still the months will depend on month 1 and the start of the new era and the haphazard order of the months. So THREE completely arbitrary and manmade factors.
Again, EVERYTHING that you said is based on starting from the preconception of the sectarian calendar and then working backwards. You are not starting from the great reading with pure intentions.
You should have been able to see all this on your own if you had a little bit of intelligence instead of asking me to spoonfeed you what has been repeated on this thread time after time again. It is not my fault that you are slow.
Before I follow any opinion I examine it using the Quran and other sound data...Therefore, I examined Brother Layth opinion. The result is "Layth's Opinion does not violate the Quran or the scientific data, and yours violates both...does that makes you angry enough to call me names?
Again, you seem unable to read previous posts
http//free-minds.org/forum/index.php?topic=9188.msg223683#msg223683
I'm still waiting for your answer to my two questions.
I already answered every question you and anyone else had on this thread. On the other hand, you and none of those following the sectarians' timing on this thread have answered my ONE question.
Peace,
Ayman