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Q_student

Peace progressive
my arabic is ok, i just have not practiced it for donkey's years, but i can understand and read almost everything thrown at me, as I was fluent in my teens, and I am one of the rare ones who had the luck of learning sahraoui arabic in my formative years which is the closest you can get to the arabic written in the Quran...

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Knowing spoken of today does not mean necessarily you know the Classical arabic also. It is the reason Ayman does not know who to extract roots of words ,does not know the difference between Definite and Proper nouns , does not know that the Proper nouns cannot be translated ,does not know what the diptote is and consequently he cannot Recognise them.

Regards

hope4

Peace

Found this site www.karaite-korner.org and in it, it mentions that the Jews believe through their text of the following

The beginning of months in the Biblical calendar according to the visibility of the Crescent New Moon
The beginning of years in the Biblical calendar according to the state of the barley crops (Abib) in the Land of Israel.
Ps 81,3 Blow on a horn for the Hodesh (New Moon)
On the Keseh (Full Moon) for the Day of our Hag (Feast)."

I don't know if this has relevance to the topic, specially as it is quotes outside the Quran and also its a site belonging to Karaism sect of Judaism. So it is open to scrutiny. However, I could not pass it by when I saw the simularities to begginning of month as being the visibility of the crescent new moon and also the begining of the year being linked to a particular event which happens according to the seasons. What I don't know is the actual time of the season these barley crops reach a certain state to start the count or finish the count of a year. It also mentions on the site of using a 13th month in a leap. I don't know if this is helpful but I thought I post it.

Peace

Hope

noble

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Rules of language come after language. There is no such a thing as classical arabic.
What you call classical is just a snapshot decided by academics in Al-Azhar or Al-Madinah.
The only thing i can tell you is if Allah promised that he will preserve the Quran, he will also
preserve the ability to understand it.
The arabic i learnt was from nomad tribe in the sahara which was pure arabic tongue, my grand parents and their
ancestors were arab tribes leaders.

Peace
Knowing spoken of today does not mean necessarily you know the Classical arabic also. It is the reason Ayman does not know who to extract roots of words ,does not know the difference between Definite and Proper nouns , does not know that the Proper nouns cannot be translated ,does not know what the diptote is and consequently he cannot Recognise them.

Regards

noble

Peace Hope

Thanks, this is very helpful.

Salam

Noble

Peace

Found this site www.karaite-korner.org and in it, it mentions that the Jews believe through their text of the following

The beginning of months in the Biblical calendar according to the visibility of the Crescent New Moon
The beginning of years in the Biblical calendar according to the state of the barley crops (Abib) in the Land of Israel.
Ps 81,3 Blow on a horn for the Hodesh (New Moon)
On the Keseh (Full Moon) for the Day of our Hag (Feast)."

I don't know if this has relevance to the topic, specially as it is quotes outside the Quran and also its a site belonging to Karaism sect of Judaism. So it is open to scrutiny. However, I could not pass it by when I saw the simularities to begginning of month as being the visibility of the crescent new moon and also the begining of the year being linked to a particular event which happens according to the seasons. What I don't know is the actual time of the season these barley crops reach a certain state to start the count or finish the count of a year. It also mentions on the site of using a 13th month in a leap. I don't know if this is helpful but I thought I post it.

Peace

Hope

Q_student

Peace
Rules of language come after language. There is no such a thing as classical arabic.
What you call classical is just a snapshot decided by academics in Al-Azhar or Al-Madinah.
The only thing i can tell you is if Allah promised that he will preserve the Quran, he will also
preserve the ability to understand it.
The arabic i learnt was from nomad tribe in the sahara which was pure arabic tongue, my grand parents and their
ancestors were arab tribes leaders.

Peace brother
Spoken language is always different from the literary language. Secondly language of one era is not exactly the same as that of another era. For example ,you will see a lot of difference between todays' english and the enlish of Shakspear's era.The same is true for MSA and Classical Arabic.

Regards

hope4

The only thing i can tell you is if Allah promised that he will preserve the Quran, he will also
preserve the ability to understand it.

Peace theNabster

I agree with your statement. I don't think and this is only my thoughts that God ment to preserve the Quranic language but the meaning. This is evident from the language changing over the years and writing styles.

Peace

Hope

ayman

Peace everyone,

WHO IS THE BIGGEST LOOSER.
Is he the one who steals ideas of others and then promoting it as his?
Ayman instead of promoting your proposed Calender as it is your idea, instead please call it THE VEDIC CALENDER...do not steal others ideas
At least, we did not do that, rather, we are fighting and promoting a 1400 years old calender that has not been changed since, and above all, does not violate the Quran.

This is probably the most intellectually bankrupt argument since Farida's hilarious babble that I was a "secret agent".

Peace,

Ayman

ayman

Peace Q_student,

As far as Quran is concerned ,english does not matter but Classical Arabic does matter which neither you nor Ayman knows it.

If you knew Classical Arabic then you would have known that the language of the great reading is not Classical Arabic.

If you knew anything about any Arabic then you would have been able to read the Alif that is occasionally found in the great reading at the end of Thamuda. In Egypt we have a fitting famous example for ignorant blind followers like you who can't even read an Alif but are too arrogant to realize it

Peace,

Ayman

belH

Peace Q_student,

If you knew Classical Arabic then you would have known that the language of the great reading is not Classical Arabic.

If you knew anything about any Arabic then you would have been able to read the Alif that is occasionally found in the great reading at the end of Thamuda. In Egypt we have a fitting famous example for ignorant blind followers like you who can't even read an Alif but are too arrogant to realize it

Peace,

Ayman

Egyptian...Interesting to know.
By the way, the below arabic words fit you more

noble

Peace
this thread is getting too annoying for me, so I am off, good luck Ayman, and good work by the way, pity it falls on some
wet behind the ears teenagers (well if they are not they certainly act like toddlers).
One day we will know for sure if you were right, for now, muslims are just slaves on the earth, or donkeys who carry zero's...

ayman

Peace Belal,

Egyptian...Interesting to know.
By the way, the below arabic words fit you more

Please read earlier in this thread the following post of Q_Student where he either lied and deliberately deleted an Alif from Thamuda in 2538 or he is an ignorant who can't identify the Alif

http//free-minds.org/forum/index.php?topic=9188.msg203629#msg203629

For an ignorant person there is always hope that he might grow and learn one day but for someone who deliberately lies and deletes letters from the great reading, there is no hope. So what I said is actually a challenge for him to live up to his screen name and start to let the teacher of the great reading and not Classical Arabic grammarians teach him the real language of the great reading. On the other hand, all that you proved is that you haven?t read this entire thread carefully and instead of answering my questions you resort to mindless copy and paste argumentation by big fonts and calling people "losers" (which is less than childish since even well-raised kids don't do this) and you only further demonstrate that, like your avatar, your mouth is bigger than your logic.

Peace,

Ayman

ayman

Peace Hope4,

Found this site www.karaite-korner.org and in it, it mentions that the Jews believe through their text of the following

The beginning of months in the Biblical calendar according to the visibility of the Crescent New Moon
The beginning of years in the Biblical calendar according to the state of the barley crops (Abib) in the Land of Israel.
Ps 81,3 Blow on a horn for the Hodesh (New Moon)
On the Keseh (Full Moon) for the Day of our Hag (Feast)."
I don't know if this has relevance to the topic, specially as it is quotes outside the Quran and also its a site belonging to Karaism sect of Judaism. So it is open to scrutiny. However, I could not pass it by when I saw the simularities to begginning of month as being the visibility of the crescent new moon and also the begining of the year being linked to a particular event which happens according to the seasons. What I don't know is the actual time of the season these barley crops reach a certain state to start the count or finish the count of a year. It also mentions on the site of using a 13th month in a leap. I don't know if this is helpful but I thought I post it.

Thank you for researching and sharing this interesting info. I agree that this info must be carefully scrutinized. We have to validate what the people of the book claim against what the great reading tells us. There is nothing in the great reading about blowing horns on the new moon and in fact the "new moon" is never mentioned in the great reading. On the other hand, we are told in the great reading that "hagg"/feast is "ashhur ma'alumat" and we know that one of the meanings of "shahr" is "full-moon". The people of the book KNEW that the hagg/feast was on the full-moon. It is not a coincidence that the timing for the "hagg"/feast of the people of the book (Hag Sukkot) coincides with the fourth full-moon after the summer solstice.

Peace,

Ayman

belH

Peace all,

To Ayman and Nabster (our Normand Imam), Did you follow my advise?

Did you LOOK at the image below and said "Our Lord you have not created this in vain, glory to You, spare us the retribution of the Fire"

http//theabysmal.fenris.ca/theAbyss/Revolute/Lunar/Lunation.png

belH

start to let the teacher of the great reading and not Classical Arabic grammarians teach him the real language of the great reading.

Who gave you this title? THIS IS MY LORD'S TITLE

551 The Merciful
552 He has taught the Reading.

Do you think you can claim Your Creator Title...Are you NUTS...You are a LOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOSER

ayman

Peace Nabeel,

this thread is getting too annoying for me, so I am off, good luck Ayman, and good work by the way, pity it falls on some
wet behind the ears teenagers (well if they are not they certainly act like toddlers).
One day we will know for sure if you were right, for now, muslims are just slaves on the earth, or donkeys who carry zero's...

Don't be saddened brother when we have the higher ground. Those who follow the sectarian timing know that it has no real basis in the great reading and they know that their timing is 100% arbitrary and manmade. So all they can do is try to drag us into the mud with them. As you said, one day we will know for sure but what we know for certain is that each one will go to the eternal destination where the path that he chose took him or her. As such, even if we were wrong about some things, it doesn't matter since we did our best to follow the god's map, the great reading. It is about the hard journey on the straight path and not succumbing to the temptation of disregarding the map and taking easy short cuts through traditions and "scholars".

Peace,

Ayman

ayman

Peace Belal,

Who gave you this title?

You just did. Once again, please stop idolizing me. )

Peace,

Ayman

belH

Peace Hope4,

in fact the "new moon" is never mentioned in the great reading.

Ayman, stop lying about Our Lord

They ask you regarding the crescent moons, say They are a timing mechanism for the people and the Pilgrimage. And piety is not that you would enter a home from its back, but piety is whoever is righteous and comes to the homes from their main doors. And be aware of God that you may succeed.
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ayman

Peace Belal,

Peace Hope4,

in fact the "new moon" is never mentioned in the great reading.

Ayman, stop lying about Our Lord

They ask you regarding the crescent moons, say They are a timing mechanism for the people and the Pilgrimage. And piety is not that you would enter a home from its back, but piety is whoever is righteous and comes to the homes from their main doors. And be aware of God that you may succeed.
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Please underline the word "new moon" in your translation above. Belal, a word of advice, if you are going to accuse people that they are lying and be obnoxious about everything that you say and use big fonts then you had better be 100% sure because you know that you will get called on it and if you turn out to be wrong as usual, then you would only be further exposing more loudly your inability to patiently read my posts and even less so your own posts and your lack of logic in responding. Please take this as a friendly advice. )

Peace,

Ayman

No longer a Sunna-rejecter

Peace Belal,

Ayman, stop lying about Our Lord

They ask you regarding the crescent moons, say They are a timing mechanism for the people and the Pilgrimage. And piety is not that you would enter a home from its back, but piety is whoever is righteous and comes to the homes from their main doors. And be aware of God that you may succeed.
2189

Please underline the word "new moon" in your translation above. Belal, a word of advice, if you are going to accuse people that they are lying and be obnoxious about everything that you say and use big fonts then you had better be 100% sure because you know that you will get called on it and if you turn out to be wrong as usual, then you would only be further exposing more loudly your inability to patiently read my posts and even less so your own posts and your lack of logic in responding. Please take this as a friendly advice. )

Peace,

Ayman

He didnt use "new moon" in his translation..

hope4

Peace Hope4,

Thank you for researching and sharing this interesting info. I agree that this info must be carefully scrutinized. We have to validate what the people of the book claim against what the great reading tells us. There is nothing in the great reading about blowing horns on the new moon and in fact the "new moon" is never mentioned in the great reading. On the other hand, we are told in the great reading that "hagg"/feast is "ashhur ma'alumat" and we know that one of the meanings of "shahr" is "full-moon". The people of the book KNEW that the hagg/feast was on the full-moon. It is not a coincidence that the timing for the "hagg"/feast of the people of the book (Hag Sukkot) coincides with the fourth full-moon after the summer solstice.

Peace,

Ayman

Peace Ayman

Thank you for the explenation. Can I conclude from what I wrote earlier that the Jews used a luni-solar calander and not purely lunar one?

Peace

Hope