Does Islam encourage World Domination?
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In reality, many of the hadiyths are in line with the Qur'aan and they clearly support it, even though I personally see no real need for them. All hadiyths are not bad, and there are probably a few authentic ("sahih" ones floating around among the writings of the scribes, although there probably aren't many...
That seems like a contradiction. Sorry, I'm obsessed with contradictions D
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That seems like a contradiction. Sorry, I'm obsessed with contradictions D
No, that's not a contradiction; but thanks for pointing it out anyway, so I can clarify what I meant... Just because a hadiyth is in line with the Qur'aan doesn't make it an authentic statement of Muhammad. They could've been made by others who based their reasoning on the Qur'aan itself. The hadiyths are taken from so many sources, it's nearly impossible to determine what's "sahih" and what's not. Some of them are based on Biblical references, some are based on Persian Zoroastrian travellers, and others are based on sayings of the people, whether they followed Muhammad or not. If there are truly and authentic sayings of Muhammad outside of the Qur'aan, they are very few in number, maybe 10 out of the hundreds of thousands of hadiyths collected by the scribes...
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I'm not encouraging the study of ahadiyth and sunna. I just said the traditional viewpoint is of Islaamic war being defensive, not offensive. Most sectarian Muslims agree. The toughest in terms of offensive battle against disbelievers are the Wahhabi (Salafiyya) Muslims, and they have radical interpretations of the Qur'aan anyway, based on certain unjustified hadiyths. But most traditional Muslims DO read about the wars and interpret them as being defensive, with Muhammad being the forgiving, patient leader who grants pardon to his enemies. In fact, there are hadiyths saying that Muhammad was fighting the people, and when others surrendered and called for peace/"salaam", Muhammad instantly ceased fighting them and let them go free, without even a reprimand... Have you read the hadiyths? What makes you think they're ALL bad and satanic, encouraging the people to do evil things? In reality, many of the hadiyths are in line with the Qur'aan and they clearly support it, even though I personally see no real need for them. All hadiyths are not bad, and there are probably a few authentic ("sahih" ones floating around among the writings of the scribes, although there probably aren't many...
I never said all hadiths are bad and satanic. What I said was, we don't need hadith to understand the Quran. Hadith like the one above can never be understood 'in context' because there isn't a context. That particular hadith is clearly false. However, even true hadiths (true by whose criteria, God knows) arent necessary to understand Quran either.
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I never said all hadiths are bad and satanic. What I said was, we don't need hadith to understand the Quran. Hadith like the one above can never be understood 'in context' because there isn't a context. That particular hadith is clearly false. However, even true hadiths (true by whose criteria, God knows) arent necessary to understand Quran either.
You can understand the context of the hadiyths by reading the rest of the hadiyths; they're in harmony. If they conflict, then they're usually either fabricated or misinterpreted. On the rest of what you said, though, regarding not needing the hadiyths to understand the Qur'aan, I agree...
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No, that's not a contradiction; but thanks for pointing it out anyway, so I can clarify what I meant... Just because a hadiyth is in line with the Qur'aan doesn't make it an authentic statement of Muhammad. They could've been made by others who based their reasoning on the Qur'aan itself. The hadiyths are taken from so many sources, it's nearly impossible to determine what's "sahih" and what's not. Some of them are based on Biblical references, some are based on Persian Zoroastrian travellers, and others are based on sayings of the people, whether they followed Muhammad or not. If there are truly and authentic sayings of Muhammad outside of the Qur'aan, they are very few in number, maybe 10 out of the hundreds of thousands of hadiyths collected by the scribes...
Thanks for the clarification, you are right.
I found a hilarious article about offensive Jihad.
"The Types of Jihad
There are two types of Jihad against the Kuffar.
1- Offensive Jihad, 2- Defensive Jihad
1- Offensive Jihad is when the Muslims launch an offensive attack. If this attack is on the Kuffar who have previously received the message of Islam, then to call them towards Islam before commencement of the attack is considered preferable. However, if the message of Islam has not reached them, then the Kuffar will be invited towards Islam. If they reject this true faith, then they will have to pay Jizyah (Kufr tax). If they refuse to submit to the payment of Jizyah then the Muslims are to fight against them. With this type of Jihad the Kuffar who plot against the Muslims are repelled and their hearts are filled with fear, so that they do not succeed in their plans.
The offensive Jihad is Fardh Kifayah, the purpose of which is to ensure the Kuffar remain terrorised and away from mischief, thereby, allowing the message of Islam to be conveyed without any obstructions.
If one group of Muslims fulfil this obligation then it will be sufficient on behalf of all Muslims, but if there are no Muslims fulfilling this obligation then everyone is considered sinful.
It is stated in Fatawa Shami It is required of the Imam (leader) of the Muslims to dispatch the army routinely once or twice a year towards the Kufr countries. It is also the duty of the Muslim public to assist the Imam in this noble cause. If the Imam does not send an army, then he will considered sinful.
The majority of Jihad undertaken at the time of our Prophet Muhammad (S.A.W.) was within the category of offensive Jihad.
The Quran has called upon the Muslims to undertake the offensive Jihad and when this obligation is satisfactorily fulfilled there would be no apparent need for the defensive Jihad.
When Muslims neglect this important obligation then they are subjected to the defensive Jihad and this has become, with regret, widely common in our time.
2- Defensive Jihad is when the Kuffar enemy attacks, the Muslims, forcing them in to a defensive position. This is one of the most important obligations upon the Muslims. In researching and studying the Jihad work predecessors, we understand that Jihad is considered Fardh ayn under the following conditions-
a) When the unbelievers attack upon a country or city belonging to the Muslims or if they gain control of a Muslim country.
b) When the unbelievers take Muslims captives.
c) When a Muslim woman is held by the Kuffar, to ensure her freedom is Fardh upon the whole Muslim Ummah.
d) When the Imam (leader) of the Muslims orders the Muslims to go for Jihad.
e) When the Kuffar and Muslims face each other in the battlefield and the battle takes place.
The explanation of fardh Ayn is that every person will go for Jihad to such an extent that the son will march forth without the permission of his father, the wife without the permission of her husband, the debtor without the permission of the creditor. The Jihad becomes fardh , firstly upon all the Muslims in the area being attacked. If the Muslims are not sufficient or they do not fulfil this Jihad, then it is obligatory upon the Muslims in the next town or country to assist.
If they too are not sufficient, then it will be fardh upon the next country until the fardh extends from the East to the West. In discussing the issue of defensive Jihad, Imam Ibne Taymiyah (ra) writes 'The defensive Jihad means to fight to defend our religion and our honour, it is the most important obligation. There is no obligation after Iman considered more necessary to implement than the fighting against an enemy who has attacked to corrupt our world and our Hereafter. There is no condition for this Jihad, not even the necessities to travel or wealth, in fact every individual will confront the enemy according to his ability.' We also understand from the writings of our scholars that Jihad does not only become fardh ayn when the enemy attacks, but also when the enemy is at a distance of a Shara`ee journey (48 miles); Jihad then becomes fardh upon that town. (Nihayatul Muhtaj, p58 v."
http//www.2600.com/news/mirrors/harkatmujahideen/www.harkatulmujahideen.org/jihad/t-jihad.htm
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Look at where your definitions are from. It's hadith and conjecture. It's the doctrine of Arab imperialism not the Quran.
The quotes from the Quran are in my eyes just statements of fact and are unrelated to any concepts as you mention.
2264-65 is mentioning God's Mercy in the way he has made nature, the animals and minerals all capable of being utilised by humans. We do not live in a bleak environment. God has designed the earth and heavens so that they are hospitable to us. Every thing we turn ourselves to has a use for us or teaches us something about God. That is the meaning of that verse.
3126 See how the statement of fact that everything belongs to God is followed by Rich ie. free of all wants, and Praised ie.worthy of all praise. It is describing God rather than making a distinction between two separate arenas of politics on the earth.
5710 Statement of fact. Urges people to spend in the cause of God.
2258-59 This is fact disproves any claim of different arenas or an urge to war for world domination. If considered with 4100 which says
"And whoso emigrates from his country in the way of ALLAH will find in the earth an abundant place of refuge and plentifulness. And whoso goes forth from his home, emigrating in the cause of ALLAH and HIS Messenger, and death overtakes him, his reward lies on ALLAH, and ALLAH is Most Forgiving, Merciful,"
ie. if you are oppressed then God has made the earth wide enough to flee from the oppression. There are places of refuge and plentifulness. It does not encourage 'expansionism'; but it protects human rights.
2278 Yes you shall strive; and God says there is no hardship in practicing "religion"; taken in conjunction with the fact that there is no compulsion in taking this step leaves nothing to be debated.
The "doctrine" you mention is not supported by the Quran, and is a dogma of Arab imperialism.
You are against Arab imperialism not the Quran.
Peace.
the hadits is not conjecture, if you dont believe to hadits then how you pray (sholat) and wudhu (ablution)?
and if you dont believe to hadits as mentioned by juynboll as common link theory, could you please to describe where the false of ilm al mustholah al hadits?peace
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That's not what Muslims believe, it seems. I have seen countless sites where it says that offensive wars are an undeniable part of Islam. http//muslim-quotes.netfirms.com/jihad.html
the wars or ghazw was legal action at that time, but if you doing now, you will againts the international law/common rules. Islam should be conceives as a rule that follows time and place and not rigid as textualist.
peace
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the wars or ghazw was legal action at that time, but if you doing now, you will againts the international law/common rules. Islam should be conceives as a rule that follows time and place and not rigid as textualist.
peace
Salaam,
Do you think most Muslims agree with what you said?
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Actually Recluse, Traditionalists developed something called 'Fiqh al-Aqalliyat' (fiqh of minorities) when they became client communities of hegemons after losing power. The fuqaha believe that when Muslims aren't in power, there's no need for 'offensive jihad' but they achieve power, it's an obligation again. A truly fascist ideology, in my opinion.
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Actually Recluse, Traditionalists developed something called 'Fiqh al-Aqalliyat' (fiqh of minorities) when they became client communities of hegemons after losing power. The fuqaha believe that when Muslims aren't in power, there's no need for 'offensive jihad' but they achieve power, it's an obligation again. A truly fascist ideology, in my opinion.
Wow... Yes, that's definately a fascist concept...
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According to sunnis all of us must have become kafir by saying this. We must be killed wherever we are found.
Not all Sunnis believe in that type of behavior; in fact, most of them blatantly reject it, calling it a form of oppression. The group that believes in killing disbelievers and apostates is a small minority compared to the many Muslims worldwide who reject this ideology...
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Not all Sunnis believe in that type of behavior; in fact, most of them blatantly reject it, calling it a form of oppression. The group that believes in killing disbelievers and apostates is a small minority compared to the many Muslims worldwide who reject this ideology...
Bilal is right. Most Sunnis would never do this in practice. However, official Traditional Islam supports this. You can check any compendium of fiqh on the issue of offensive jihad.
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Bilal is right. Most Sunnis would never do this in practice. However, official Traditional Islam supports this. You can check any compendium of fiqh on the issue of offensive jihad.
And what about the large compendium of fiqh saying that "jihaad" (violence in particular) should only be used defensively, and it should never be used as an offensive strategy for eliminating non-Muslims? Most of the hadiyths I've read on the issue agree with the Qur'aan, as in there is NO COMPULSION IN RELIGION. This means it is against the Shariah law to forcibly convert others, or spread Islaam by the sword. Even according to the sunna, this is considered oppression, and Muslims are forbidden from doing this...
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Bilal, I dont have the quotes with me, sorry but here's the sunni modus operandi vis-a-vis offensive jihad
Go to non-muslim country. Give them 3 options
- convert to islam
- pay jiyzah
- be warred against.
How is this NOT compulsion, Bilal? It's basically saying, either u do it our way or we'll do you in. It IS compulsion and it IS sunni law.
Have you heard of Sayyid Qutb? This was his political philosophy, based on the 4 imam's fatawa.
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Bilal, I dont have the quotes with me, sorry but here's the sunni modus operandi vis-a-vis offensive jihad
Go to non-muslim country. Give them 3 options
- convert to islam
- pay jiyzah
- be warred against.
How is this NOT compulsion, Bilal? It's basically saying, either u do it our way or we'll do you in. It IS compulsion and it IS sunni law.
Have you heard of Sayyid Qutb? This was his political philosophy, based on the 4 imam's fatawa.
That is definately compulsion, but you're grouping all "Sunniyya" into one catagory. There are several branches of Sunni Islaam, and the Qutbites are one group, who often have extreme views on certain issues. That's not the Sunni (Shariah) law, it's the Qutbian law, and some Salafiyya feel the same way. It is NOT, however, the way of all, or even most, Sunni Muslims. In fact, most Sunnis believe in allowing people to practice their individual religions without any form of compulsion at all, which is why Sunnis have lived amongst Christians and Jews all over the world for centuries. The 4 emaams' words were taken out of context by Sayyid Qutb, which is why he is rejected by Salafis, Ahmadis, Sufis, and nearly all Sunnis (other than those who follow the Qutbian ideologies). To say that this is "Sunni law" is completely wrong...
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That is definately compulsion, but you're grouping all "Sunniyya" into one catagory. There are several branches of Sunni Islaam, and the Qutbites are one group, who often have extreme views on certain issues. That's not the Sunni (Shariah) law, it's the Qutbian law, and some Salafiyya feel the same way. It is NOT, however, the way of all, or even most, Sunni Muslims. In fact, most Sunnis believe in allowing people to practice their individual religions without any form of compulsion at all, which is why Sunnis have lived amongst Christians and Jews all over the world for centuries. The 4 emaams' words were taken out of context by Sayyid Qutb, which is why he is rejected by Salafis, Ahmadis, Sufis, and nearly all Sunnis (other than those who follow the Qutbian ideologies). To say that this is "Sunni law" is completely wrong...
And yet, I believe that if you went to sunniforum (or any other similar board for traditional Muslims), you would come across a lot of people who are brainwashed into believing that waging war against the disbelievers is part of Islam. At least that is my impression so far. I'm not saying all of them, but they are not just a tiny and negligible minority.
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And yet, I believe that if you went to sunniforum (or any other similar board for traditional Muslims), you would come across a lot of people who are brainwashed into believing that waging war against the disbelievers is part of Islam. At least that is my impression so far. I'm not saying all of them, but they are not just a tiny and negligible minority.
yes thats true. Some sunnis I know wants to wage war with the west. They sort of encourage that.
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And yet, I believe that if you went to sunniforum (or any other similar board for traditional Muslims), you would come across a lot of people who are brainwashed into believing that waging war against the disbelievers is part of Islam. At least that is my impression so far. I'm not saying all of them, but they are not just a tiny and negligible minority.
I disagree. I think most Sunnis believe that war should only be undertaken defensively, since this is stated in the sunna... Allah knows best...