Free-Minds.org is another Sect...like Suni and Shia Sects.
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BelH,
I did not need even to read a word from your accusation since its subject's title is dead wrong. Either you have no clue about what sect or cult means or you are "projecting," your problem here. A sect and cult depends on members who accept the dogmas of a leader or a troop of leaders (imams, sheiks, mullahs, cardinals, pastors, pope, etc.) without questioning their teachings. In sects (in-sects yay), cults and religions there is hierarchy. Majority in those religious wagons follow the idolized minority hoping of attaining salvation.
Free-minds is a forum for free-thinkers, not for dogmatics. Free-minds is an agora for critical thinkers, not for band-wagoners. Free-minds is a public square for those who wish to learn from each other, not for those who wish to follow others blindly. Of course, by the very nature of openness, it attracts sectarian fanatics, dogmatics, and all sorts of people, including you. In sect's and cult's forums, usually you cannot post criticism, let alone fabricated insults (like this of yours). Here, we can rarely agree an any issue, which is a piece of cake on almost every issue for any sect and cult. Does free-minds is the last place that can be described as a center of a particular sect, cult or religion.
So, before slinging your mud to the walls of this place and pissing at its corner, go look at the mirror and wipe the dirt on your face. Sorry for forgetting to tell you welcome
Peace,
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BelH,
I did not need even read a word from your accusation since the title which is the gist of it is dead wrong. Either you have no clue about what sect or cult mean or you are "projecting." A sect and cult depends on members who accept the dogmas of the leader (imam, sheik, mullah, pope, pastor, etc.) without questioning. In sects, cults and religions there is hierarchy. Majority follow the idolized minority hoping of attaining salvation.
Free-minds is a forum for free-thinkers, not for dogmatics. Free-minds is an agora for critical thinkers, not for band-wagoners. Free-minds is a public square for those who wish to learn from each other. Of course, by the very nature of openness, it attracts sectarian fanatics, dogmatics, and all kinds of people. Here, we can rarely agree an any issue, which is a piece of cake for almost every issue for any sect and cult.
So, before slinging your mud to the walls of this place and pissing at its corner, go look at the mirror and wipe the dirt on your face. Sorry for forgetting to tell you welcome
Peace,
Ediprotfl Typical Sect Leader attitude...No comments for now.
To all, what 19ers sect leader, Edip, failed to understand is, Shia and Suna Sects do not make you one of them unless you agree to all of their believes...the same with Free-Minds, you are not a true Moslem unless you believe in all of their understanding...Will, that is enough for me to consider free-minds.org a sect.
I hope when you disagree, do not use language as the 9 years old, Edip, used.
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Peace,
In My day to day profession, I write so much in arguing about issues related Man made Laws.
But when it comes to God's Laws, I tend to be afraid to use my own writings to argue, rather, I prefer to use the Well-Established Verses. Now, if I write an article about God's Laws, would I be using my words, or would I be pasting from Quran?I Have challenged many in this form about their twisted understanding of Quran (e.g., Ramadan issue, Adam and Eve were not the first humans, there is no Hajj, Jesus had a Father) by using straight forward Quranic verses that does not need any more writings in order to make more clearer.
Finally, All the prophets were instructed to argue by using the Message (e.g., Quran), without adding or deleting...then, do you think this instruction is for all of us as well?
Peacegood thing about the religious scriptures is that they are open to interpretations, you only can understand according to your knowledge/ level of understanding. but the kind of attitude, such as yours, is not productive at all. Peace.
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good thing about the religious scriptures is that they are open to interpretations, you only can understand according to your knowledge/ level of understanding. but the kind of attitude, such as yours, is not productive at all. Peace.
Can you be more constructive about your argument (the red colored words above).
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peace,
My article to refute Free-Minds understanding is this Verse
The male thief, and the female thief, you shall cut-off their hands as a punishment for their crime, and to serve as a deterrent from God. God is Noble, Wise. Whoever repents after his wrongdoing and makes amends, then God will relent on him. Truly, God is Forgiving, Merciful.
That verse is discussed in the article I linked to, in detail I might add.
It is indisputable that all True Believers have to visit the Retricted House in which Makam (Grave) Abraham exists.
I would like to see this "indisputable" evidence you allude to. It seems you know little about the word "maqam".
Please read and let me know if I'm confused http//free-minds.org/forum/index.php?topic=9188.0
(I posted more than 600 reply in the link above arguing about this point)The homepage of free-minds is stating that instead of luni, it is luni-solar, then you go on to say we should use the sun and the moon, which is exactly what luni-solar means, so with regard to this specific point and NOTHING else, yes you are confused. Perhaps you mean your exact timing system is the correct one and since the free-minds homepage does not explicitly state your method, it is wrong. However, both the free-minds and your one is luni-solar.
And lastly, it is statements like these that give your comments almost no credibility
the same with Free-Minds, you are not a true Moslem unless you believe in all of their understanding
Where does it say that? A little tip, if you do write an article, it is usually good to cite evidence along with a statement.
Did you happen to see the disclaimer on the articles page?
THE ARTICLES DO NOT REPRESENT THE VIEWS OF ALL FREE-MINDS MEMBERS. HOWEVER, THEY ARE POSTED FOR THEIR THOUGHT-PROVOKING CONTENT
And lastly, the homepage of free-minds is not 100% accurate in my view, but the gist of it is in the right place.
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rotfl Typical Sect Leader attitude...No comments for now.
To all, what 19ers sect leader, Edip, failed to understand is, Shia and Suna Sects do not make you one of them unless you agree to all of their believes...the same with Free-Minds, you are not a true Moslem unless you believe in all of their understanding...Will, that is enough for me to consider free-minds.org a sect.
I hope when you disagree, do not use language as the 9 years old, Edip, used.
Peace to allPeace Brother
What to talk about 19ers and Khalifites .These are blind followers of the LIAR OF THE CENTURY.
The strangled minded persons who lack all rationality.
So do not worry much about this group brother.
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Peace Brother
What to talk about 19ers and Khalifites .These are blind followers of the LIAR OF THE CENTURY.
The strangled minded persons who lack all rationality.
So do not worry much about this group brother.
RegardsPeace,
What drove Edip crazy is when I made my comment about "Writing an Article" and how God instructed the Prophets and Believers to deliver only the words of His Message (e.g., Quran) and not their own words. As you know, Edip wrote more than 1000 religious' articles in which He rarely used the Quran words, but his Man Made words...and the result, he has many followers whom agree to his man made argument of deleting 9-128 & 129.May God help us in our arguments against the twisted minded freaks whom dispute and argue about the well-established Words of Our Lord.
And may God show us our mistakes and make us brave enough to admit to and fix them.
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Free-minds is a forum for free-thinkers, not for dogmatics. Free-minds is an agora for critical thinkers, not for band-wagoners. Free-minds is a public square for those who wish to learn from each other, not for those who wish to follow others blindly.
So, before slinging your mud to the walls of this place and pissing at its corner, go look at the mirror and wipe the dirt on your face. Sorry for forgetting to tell you welcomePeace,
EdipPeace all,
Edip, above you are defending free-minds.org and attacking me for my accusationBelow, you are agreeing with my accusation and attacking Free-minds.org.
Free of Minds of Free-minds organization and
The reverse of Occam's Razor? Edip Yuksel
For centuries Muslims were deprived to use their own minds to read and understand the Quran. Muslim scholars fabricated and compiled volumes of narratives, sectarian jurisprudence and complicated procedural rules and introduced them to Muslim masses as requirement to learn their religion. Generations gave lip service to the Quran, hanged it to the best corner of their rooms, carried verses from it as amulets, read it for their dead, touched it and kissed it with reverence; nevertheless they rarely referred to it for religious guidance. Many did not read it; most of those who read it, did not understand it; and most who understood it did not really believe in it and thus did not follow it.
Muslims were told, contrary what the Quran, that the Quran was difficult to understand, ambiguous, incomplete, and in need of Hadith and fatwas of scholars. Following their scholars blindly, muslim masses turned their religion to a limited partnership or corporation; a corporation where the main shareholders were God plus Muhammad plus Muhammad's companions plus Muhammad's companion's companions plus early imams of a particular sect plus later jurists plus early great alims plus later great alims plus other great alims plus other petty alims and petty gurus of Sufi orders.
This religion condemned the Muslim masses to live in a warped universe of medieval ages. A mosaic of sanctified medieval Arab culture, borrowings from Jewish and Christian mythologies, superstitions and the mindset of the Era of Ignorance doomed them to oppressive, inefficient, misogynist, irrational, and backward life.
However, recently Muslims are looking a way out and they are turning to their long-deserted holy book, the Quran. All around the world, a powerful and promising progressive movement promoting Islamic reform under the light of the Quran is flourishing. Nevertheless, there are examples of deviation and fatal mutation within some branches of this movement. Freed from the leash of traditional dogmatism, some young people celebrate this newly found freedom with excess. Intoxicated with the egalitarian principles of this movement and equipped with Molotov cocktail of arrogance and ignorance, they are recklessly hurling speculations, absurd claims, and pure nonsense about the Quran. They attempt to hijack this powerful message.
One example of this intoxicated Quran Aloners can be found at the Turkish-English website www.yeniyorumlar.org. I have written some amusing articles about the claims of the leader of this group and they are available in Turkish at 19.org.
Other examples of these intoxicated Quran Aloners can be found at free-minds.org.
In an article titled Conspiracies against Conspiracies Words in the Wonderland, I criticized a portion of a book written by a free of mind Quran Aloner. The following depiction is a fair and general depiction of these people
In Aidid?s Wonderland, place of worships (masaajid) vanishes to submissions (yes, plural!); timely prayers transform to timely commitments; the Sacred House Ka?ba mutates into ?the ?ankles? the sanctioned in the system? (the ankles are literally the ankles of deer and goats!); verbs and adverbs are ignored whenever they do not conspire with Aidid against Arab Conspiracies; nouns and verbs act like transsexuals in a ?fundamental? way where the meanings are freshly assigned by Aidid to justify his bizarre theories.
This is another abuse and exploitation of the Quran Alone message. Aidid is not the first nor will be the last brave warrior who will use the powerful message of the Quran Alone against tradition to justify esoteric and absurd claims. In an overpopulated world any conspiracy theory and any absurd idea will find some followers. We should let the Arab conspirators and non-Arab counter-conspirators deal with each other. As long as there are wind mills there will be Don Quixotes and their admirers. Peace for all of them! Thank God, I do not own any wind mills;-)
SOME members of free-minds.org are really free. They are free,
Free from knowledge.
Free from grammatical rules of the language they are speculating on.
Free from semantics.
Free from rules of logic.
Free from common sense.
Free from the truth.
Free from ability to discuss any issue based on facts.
Free from fear of God.
Free from minds.The Bible says, "Accept the truth so that the truth will set you free." These free of minds live in a fictional world where one of the rules is "Religion is your wishful thinking and your wishful thinking is your religion. Everyday you should make up your religion as you wish. Brothers and sisters, let's fabricate and applaud the weirdest of all claims." Sadly, in this game the ONLY material they are using is the text of the QURAN. In their cultic slang, QURAN ALONE means the only thing they will focus on twisting beyond recognition is the Quran alone. They turn the words of the Quran to clay; they twist, squeeze, stretch and contextually disorient them and they come up with anything they wish. They are more talented than the clowns who make sculptures out of balloons. A bad analogy clowns do it for fun; but these free people are very serious about what they are saying.
In philosophy of science, there is beautiful but a handle-with-care principle called Occam's Razor. If you have more than one explanation for the same event, the accurate one is most likely the simplest one. For instance, if you cannot find your socks they are most likely lost somewhere in your room, rather than being socknapped by UFO's. Interestingly, the free-minders have chosen the reverse of the Occam's Razor they subscribe to the philosophy of "If you have more than one explanation for the same event, word, or statement, the accurate one is most likely the most absurd one!" Here is just one of many examples
Exactly! Isn't a "MU"slim one who submits? Isn't a "MU"salleen one who maintains salaat? Why isn't "MU"hammed one who praises/appreciates? We have to start being people who PROVE things. There is no proof of a man named Muhammad, but we can take this CHARACTER TYPE along with all the other CHARACTER TYPES and live by those moral lessons.Muhammad is the descriptive adjective of an "ON-GOING" messenger of GOD that can ONLY be witnessed by the GENUINE GUIDED BELIEVERS of the BOOK...Muhammad is to be obeyed AFTER being "WITNESSED".
I should, however, give credit when credit is due. Even a frozen non military clock will show time correctly twice a day, similarly, among all the fabrication and absurd claims, they do occasionally come up with sensible thesis. One needs a powerful light and plenty of patience to extract them, since they are lost in the minus 273 Celsius degrees of darkness and on the zenith of their Everestic arrogance.confused Why this flip flopping? Did any one tell you "So, before slinging your mud to the walls of this place and pissing at its corner, go look at the mirror and wipe the dirt on your face." after posting the above?
Is this a sign of hypocrisy?
Or, When humans write too much, they tend to forget about what they wrote before, and then,...they argue against their own argument?
My advice to you, please cut down in your writings or you will keep Mocking yourself.Peace
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peace,
That verse is discussed in the article I linked to, in detail I might add.
Peace,
The verse is very well-established and cannot be twisted.I would like to see this "indisputable" evidence you allude to. It seems you know little about the word "maqam".
http//free-minds.org/forum/index.php?topic=9598013.30
The homepage of free-minds is stating that instead of luni, it is luni-solar, then you go on to say we should use the sun and the moon, which is exactly what luni-solar means, so with regard to this specific point and NOTHING else, yes you are confused. Perhaps you mean your exact timing system is the correct one and since the free-minds homepage does not explicitly state your method, it is wrong. However, both the free-minds and your one is luni-solar.
So, why free-minds is saying that the Suni and Shia Calender is only Lunar Calender?
They use the sun to calculate day
They use the Moon cycle to calculate the month
and they count 12 moon cycle to calculate the year.And lastly, it is statements like these that give your comments almost no credibility
Where does it say that? A little tip, if you do write an article, it is usually good to cite evidence along with a statement.
will, here is what are written in "WHAT IS DIFFERENCE BETWEEN ISLAM AND TODAY'S PRACTICES?"
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In comparing the teachings of Islam as derived from the Book of God to the practices taught and enforced by the popular Sunni and Shia faiths (1.2 Bn followers), we find that the list is quite extensive, with some of the highlights as follows
Therefore, the clearest difference is that Islam is a monotheistic, clear, consistent, dynamic, progressive, balanced system...a system that eliminates conjectures, hearsay, fairy tales and contradictions...therefore it eliminates hardship, confusion, chaos, and division. It is a system which puts more accent on the usage of intellect, reason, pondering over God, His Creation, meaning of life, pondering over everything...While the sects represent superstition, unfair treatment for non-cult members, inequality of the sexes, oppression of human rights, inability to contribute to human progress, amputations or physical violence, regression of ideas and thoughts to primitive levels of barbarism, and most importantly setting-up partners with the One True God and thus promoting polytheism.
End QuoteDoes the above means that Free-mind's understanding is the True Islam Message? If yes, if we do not agree, then we do not follow the Islam Guidance, and therefore, we are not Moslems.
Did you happen to see the disclaimer on the articles page?
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THE ARTICLES DO NOT REPRESENT THE VIEWS OF ALL FREE-MINDS MEMBERS. HOWEVER, THEY ARE POSTED FOR THEIR THOUGHT-PROVOKING CONTENTThe Welcome page is not an article, rather, it is Free-minds.org core view of Islam.
Peace
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Peace to all,
As much as I disagree with Belal's approach at this subject, some of his points are legitimate. Although the original concept of the "Free-Minds" may have been non-sectarianism, the atmosphere has since changed. It's not based on having religious leaders and scholars, it's about the universal doctrine of Islaam. As soon as people begin reducing that universal doctrine (i.e. declaring that others who don't hold their same views are not "real" Muslims, claiming that the heads of other Islaamic movements are "liars", etc.), the organization inherently becomes sectarian. An overwhelming majority of people on this site seem to have deep, and mostly unwarranted, hatred for Sunnis and Shias, Rashad Khalifa and his followers, and many other groups (who all call themselves "muslims", to the point that they blatantly call the followers of these groups "kafir", all because they hold different beliefs. This is sectarian, and since this is the prevalent ideology present among the "Free-Minds", then the Free-Minds group is another sect of Islaam...
Peace,
Ahmad
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Peace all
I do not know if this is going to make you feel comfortable or not, but before the advent of Hassan Albanna, Syed Qutb, and other mujaddideen, there was a similar huge problem at the turn of the last century...
Among the Sunnis there was a deep division between the muslim people of the four madhahibs, the divisions were so deep that in fact
each group would consider the other a kafir and would refuse to pray behind a leader of another group, like say a Hanif would refuse to pray behind a Maliki, or a Hanbali would refuse to go to the funeral of a Shafiee...
It was only the unifying cry of the Muslim Brotherhood under the leadership of Hassan AlBanna that stopped this...
Now what could you call this? Some called this being under the influence of Satan...
Some scholars said that actually difference of opinions are good because they force change and improvement, but of course no one acts on this, because it is easier to carry on the old scripts.
Now belh, no one said you were not a muslim if you did not believe all the opinions of the free-mind web-site group, on the contrary, these are open to debate, it is not a comfortable debate, because we are not always mostly pleasant people when it comes to things we hold fast to, but place of debate it is.
However it is not a place or an excuse for name calling, being rude, and ridiculing others' belief.
There is a fine line to achieve constructive criticism without offending... but we must try...
as for playing the victim or putting others down to get one's point across, well it is a manoeuvre, but it does not work with experienced orators...
and it is easy, if you do not like the forum, you know what to do, cyberspace is vast... -
as for playing the victim or putting others down to get one's point across, well it is a manoeuvre, but it does not work with experienced orators...
and it is easy, if you do not like the forum, you know what to do, cyberspace is vast...Peace all,
That would be your dream if I leave this form for people who want to hijack my Quran and misrepresent to the reader; will...I will keep posting the truth about Ramadan and your Lunar-Solar Calender that discounts one Moon Cycle every three years, and calls for 2 different Ramadan Months for the Northern and Southern Hemisphere.
My grieves about free-minds.org becoming sectarian will not be enough reason for me to leave you and Ayman to keep posting twisted lies to advocate your argument. -
Let These be my requests to Free-Minds.org
Let your website be the battle ground for Good Vs Evil.
Let the Readers decide and differentiate between Good and Evil.
Let Free-Minds.org be the Moderator, and not the one who decide for the readers what constitute Good and Evil.
The Only one who can Constitute Good and Evil is Our Lord.Let us all build on one mutual understanding Quran, Bible and Torah are Good, and Other Man-made books are Evil.
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BelH,
First, my criticism of Free-minds was different than yours. Second, when I learned more about them, I made some correction in my evaluation, which I have mentioned in my previous posts.
Let's say tomorrow an islamophoic visitor of this site posted a message accusing free-minds for promoting Taliban-like sharia laws. Would you approve such a criticism? If you post a short response rejecting such an accusation, would the islamophoic be justified if he or she accuses you of flip-flopping, since you had in the past criticized free-minds?
So, before attacking another person's honesty and intention, think a few seconds. If it would take you longer to connect the dots, then think a few minutes or even hours. ;D
Peace,
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BelH,
First, my criticism of Free-minds was different than yours. Second, when I learned more about them, I made some correction in my evaluation, which I have mentioned in my previous posts.
Let's say tomorrow an islamophoic visitor of this site posted a message accusing free-minds for promoting Taliban-like sharia laws. Would you approve such a criticism? If you post a short response rejecting such an accusation, would the islamophoic be justified if he or she accuses you of flip-flopping, since you had in the past criticized free-minds?
So, before attacking another person's honesty and intention, think a few seconds. If it would take you longer to connect the dots, then think a few minutes or even hours. ;D
Peace,
EdipEdip, how long did it take you to think and connect the dots before you realized your accusation to free-minds was wrong. ;D
By the way, Do you agree to my requests
Let These be my requests to Free-Minds.org
Let your website be the battle ground for Good Vs Evil.
Let the Readers decide and differentiate between Good and Evil.
Let Free-Minds.org be the Moderator, and not the one who decide for the readers what constitute Good and Evil.
The Only one who can Constitute Good and Evil is Our Lord.Let us all build on one mutual understanding Quran, Bible and Torah are Good, and Other Man-made books are Evil.
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Let us all build on one mutual understanding Quran, Bible and Torah are Good, and Other Man-made books are Evil.
Do you really know what you are talking about? What is the Bible? Where is it? How many books and verses does it have? Have you read the Bible? How many contradictions are there in the Bible?
Besides, you remind me Tertullian. He too wanted to ban philosophy, since he thought that truth could not be found in any other book, except Bible. Rejecting manmade books as infallible divine authority for eternal salvation is very different than rejecting them as you do.
This will be perhaps my last engagement with you, since... Well, many will understand the reason.
Take care, relax, and learn how to think properly. hmm
Peace,
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Do you really know what you are talking about? What is the Bible? Where is it? How many books and verses does it have? Have you read the Bible? How many contradictions are there in the Bible?
Besides, you remind me Tertullian. He too wanted to ban philosophy, since he thought that truth could not be found in any other book, except Bible. Rejecting manmade books as infallible divine authority for eternal salvation is very different than rejecting them as you do.
This will be perhaps my last engagement with you, since... Well, many will understand the reason.
Take care, relax, and learn how to think properly. hmm
Peace,
EdipEdip,
Your problem is your lack of understanding God's Message that calls for
No one has the authority to write a Book and say it has God's Laws.
God emphasized several times about the Truth of the Bible and the Torah.Thus, this is indisputable Quranic Laws
Quran, Bible and Torah are Good, and Other Man-made books are Evil.
If you disagree that the Bible is not true, why did you use it
The Bible says, "Accept the truth so that the truth will set you free."
Flip Flopping? or Hypocrisy? or too much writings? rotfl
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BelH, what are we supposed to do with Quran?
Are we meant to read and apply it? IF we are meant to do so, do you expect our interpretations (in plural because there is more than one) to be EXACTLY alike Sunnis and Shia?
What do you constitute as a 'lie' ? Any divergence from mainstream opinion? How come what THEY say aren't lies? Cause they said it first?
FM is not a sect. It's a forum. It has opinions in its site but many disagree with them.
Sunnism and Shiasm are sects. Here's why
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In both, you have to believe in Muhammad. FM is more universal, islam here is descriptive of ur character, not culture.
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In both, you have to pray in Arabic through an ancient Arabic ritual. FM ppl generally don't care how you pray.
I could go on....
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Peace belH,
I was very close to do what now Edip is doing, putting you in my ignore list for a while as I told you, you even started mocking me for having been an imam in my past, so you do flip flop too, accusing others of the same...
As Edip said, you really need to allow Allah's guidance in your heart, as it seems to me you are very confused right now, and seem more under the influence of people like guest, than as an independent human being.
Do not forget that the Quran was revealed to save Man from the slavery of his kind to the Worship of his Creator, but you do not seem to understand what this worship means, and it will take time...
if you already think you have the answers, that exactly means you do not have them, it is Shaitan playing tricks on you, as only the fools and the ignorant will say that...
you can carry on in the false comfort that you are well guided, life is very short, and the judgment is very near, and most of humanity and the jinn are destined to the hell pit, so if you are comfortable to take your chances, keep on defending what you have decided you are right about to start with until your death...
it is the same with all the people born into a belief system, it is all they know, their comfort zone, and they will defend it tooth and nail... i know, only removing ameen from my ritual prayer was a stuggle, but that is the test, Allah has to be sure that we are worthy of his Paradise...
"will we be allowed into Paradise, just by saying we believe without being tested", and you think fitna is easy belH, well ...
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Peace all,
I knew that this thread was going to be taughtBelH, what are we supposed to do with Quran?
Are we meant to read and apply it? IF we are meant to do so, do you expect our interpretations (in plural because there is more than one) to be EXACTLY alike Sunnis and Shia?
What do you constitute as a 'lie' ? Any divergence from mainstream opinion? How come what THEY say aren't lies? Cause they said it first?
FM is not a sect. It's a forum. It has opinions in its site but many disagree with them.
Sunnism and Shiasm are sects. Here's why
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In both, you have to believe in Muhammad. FM is more universal, islam here is descriptive of ur character, not culture.
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In both, you have to pray in Arabic through an ancient Arabic ritual. FM ppl generally don't care how you pray.
I could go on....
Free-Minds.org should be the Moderator and not the judge between the different understanding of Quran. And if they choose otherwise, then I and others who disagree with their understanding have all the right to criticize them.
if you already think you have the answers, that exactly means you do not have them, it is Shaitan playing tricks on you, as only the fools and the ignorant will say that...
The Quran has all the clear answers that we need in order to be on the Straight Path. Very well-established Answers that no one can have any excuse to say "The Quran was not clear" and therefore I was misguided.
you can carry on in the false comfort that you are well guided, life is very short, and the judgment is very near, and most of humanity and the jinn are destined to the hell pit, so if you are comfortable to take your chances, keep on defending what you have decided you are right about to start with until your death...
it is the same with all the people born into a belief system, it is all they know, their comfort zone, and they will defend it tooth and nail... i know, only removing ameen from my ritual prayer was a stuggle, but that is the test, Allah has to be sure that we are worthy of his Paradise...
"will we be allowed into Paradise, just by saying we believe without being tested", and you think fitna is easy belH, well ...
have a nice life... as for the rest I worry first and foremost about my own...As far as I know, me and you do not agree on Ramadan issue and the Calender issue...And because of this, you and Ayman have accused us by calling us sectarians...Well, who is guided and who is misguided? Does free-minds.org have the right to advocate your understanding against ours? or should they be the moderator?
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