You think deleting 2 verses is bad enough...
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and proofing how Quran is fully protected which directly relates to topic removing so many verses. They can not remove their love to their parent belief and yet not ready to examine and witness the truth. They follow their clergies and their leader instead of God and cover up their idolization by calling themselves Muslim hence they are not. When they become speechless with showing clear proof they run away and try to interrupt the discussions like their teachers.
Accepting Miracle could be end to many things of their belonging from dress code to job and position , to deleting all their conjuncture, to loosing idol worshiper friends and family and many other thing. Noy many of them have gut to do so and they do only lip service and do not believe that God is supporting any believer.
They have no choice unless screaming Off Topic but they can not mislead truth seekers as they are.
Peace )
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and proofing how Quran is fully protected which directly relates to topic removing so many verses. They can not remove their love to their parent belief and yet not ready to examine and witness the truth. They follow their clergies and their leader instead of God and cover up their idolization by calling themselves Muslim hence they are not. When they become speechless with showing clear proof they run away and try to interrupt the discussions like their teachers.
Accepting Miracle could be end to many things of their belonging from dress code to job and position , to deleting all their conjuncture, to loosing idol worshiper friends and family and many other thing. Noy many of them have gut to do so and they do only lip service and do not believe that God is supporting any believer.
They have no choice unless screaming Off Topic but they can not mislead truth seekers as they are.
Peace  
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If you wish to discuss code 19 there is a whole section to discuss it in or you can message Munzir directly. You have no right to accuse anyone of idolisation. I have already noticed you doing it to 2 other members of this forum and find it disrespectful.
No back to the main topic.
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No back to the main topic.
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You think deleting 2 verses is bad enough...
there is a reason they remove 2 verses code 19. and that, Madame, you don't want to discuss?
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If you wish to discuss code 19 there is a whole section to discuss it in or you can message Munzir directly. You have no right to accuse anyone of idolisation. I have already noticed you doing it to 2 other members of this forum and find it disrespectful.
No back to the main topic.
Peace dear sister )
There is no wonder talking like this and dictating your own idea to tohers where to go what to do. I do not blame you as you have bee raised like this to be instructed all time and do what their parents did. No right to ask so much question and limiting to their own understanding. I have been Shai land and i can see clearly how such dictaorial system which is rooted in family realation now are in power by abusing name of God and Quran force their own people to obey their own rules and laws and go so far that to rape female and male in any by such ugly , barbarian fabricated rules and law.
I do not blame you sister for such criticism when ilooked at you early post e right now to see if i am wrong but i was right you have been raised in Sunni family and you are proud to be called Mohammedans like Cristian for Christ.These forum has moderators and they decide to if my posts is off topic not members. Ofcourse you can complain and if your claim is right then they will move it to Off Topic.
I am not disrespecting any body but telling the truth, Those that reject Miracle such clear and crystal that 14 years old coul understood in few minutes and try to confuse new truth seekers like you to keep 2 fabricated verse by time power greeds to keep themselves as the decedent of Raheem human they are IDOL WORSHIPERS and this a fact that now wee se how whole book digitally reject 2 verses.
Here is the issue is 2 verses and removing more verses by confused ones. And i will be feel guilty and ashamed in day of judgement when i see the truth do not inform others.
I have seen many like you in the middle of struggling transforming from parent belief to reality and truth and is not easy. New belief is like painting, if you want change the paint you have to paint it clear white and start back. I mean you have to forget all learning from parents and teachers and just belive in creation and God and now seek for a divine and protested sign or message for proof for existence of God and then His words too.
The only way for these Hi Tech generation is numbers from 1 t0 9 and if Ali could understand it in few minutes why you can not. ?
Have patience and read the post and information carefully and understand it
Spending little time to witness Greatness of our Creator will save all your life. Do it right now and tell us what you see wrong with proof.
Peace.
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You could have just written that as a PM but anyway...
First of all, you don't know me (Have we ever spoken before? I don't think so!) You accused me, as well as 2 other people (at least) on this forum when you don't even know us. You have no right to judge! My family aren't even completely strict. They have their views and I have mine. If I wanted to follow them then I won't be here on this site. I'd be sitting in front of the TV listening to a scholar instead of doing my own research. They actually make me sick so why would I follow them? 'you are proud to be called Mohammedans' Where is your proof?? I've never even said the word Mohammedans in my entire life!
Secondly, I'm not sure if you have noticed, but I started a thread a few months ago asking for information on code 19 as I am an open minded person (and, again, do NOT follow my parents blindly). I discussed the topic privately with another member and read through the articles he kindly gave me. I didn't find it very straight forward and a little mind boggling for me. Whether code 19 is real or not doesn't bother me. I am only glad that it lead so many people to believing in God alone and following the Quran.
I started this topic to discuss it, nothing else. That is why I told Munzir to go to the code 19 section. It's not like I forced him to do something he didn't want to do! You could have easily provided Munzir with some links or contacted him personally, yet you ignored my request to keep to the topic.
And what would be the point of me starting a topic then have it removed to the 'off-topic' section.
I wouldn't normally bother responding to false accusations but what you wrote is very offensive considering you don't even know me and considering you made the same accusations to others for so reason. If you want to teach people about code 19 then you might want to speak to them kindly, instead of rudely.
PS Don't worry about me, I'm not struggling. I made the transition in a split second
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Peace dear sister )
There is no wonder talking like this and dictating your own idea to tohers where to go what to do. I do not blame you as you have bee raised like this to be instructed all time and do what their parents did. No right to ask so much question and limiting to their own understanding. I have been Shai land and i can see clearly how such dictaorial system which is rooted in family realation now are in power by abusing name of God and Quran force their own people to obey their own rules and laws and go so far that to rape female and male in any by such ugly , barbarian fabricated rules and law.
I do not blame you sister for such criticism when ilooked at you early post e right now to see if i am wrong but i was right you have been raised in Sunni family and you are proud to be called Mohammedans like Cristian for Christ.These forum has moderators and they decide to if my posts is off topic not members. Ofcourse you can complain and if your claim is right then they will move it to Off Topic.
I am not disrespecting any body but telling the truth, Those that reject Miracle such clear and crystal that 14 years old coul understood in few minutes and try to confuse new truth seekers like you to keep 2 fabricated verse by time power greeds to keep themselves as the decedent of Raheem human they are IDOL WORSHIPERS and this a fact that now wee se how whole book digitally reject 2 verses.
Here is the issue is 2 verses and removing more verses by confused ones. And i will be feel guilty and ashamed in day of judgement when i see the truth do not inform others.
I have seen many like you in the middle of struggling transforming from parent belief to reality and truth and is not easy. New belief is like painting, if you want change the paint you have to paint it clear white and start back. I mean you have to forget all learning from parents and teachers and just belive in creation and God and now seek for a divine and protested sign or message for proof for existence of God and then His words too.
The only way for these Hi Tech generation is numbers from 1 t0 9 and if Ali could understand it in few minutes why you can not. ?
Have patience and read the post and information carefully and understand it
Spending little time to witness Greatness of our Creator will save all your life. Do it right now and tell us what you see wrong with proof.
Peace.
Bahman GoharzadWell I can certainly see a Shi'ite personality in your writings...of course, I don't blame you, you were raised in that environment... whatever
Back to reality, you don't know this person, so stop acting like you're all knowing. Honestly, you don't know crap. Shutting your mouth would be wise. One would think that wisdom is acquired with age; of course, this isn't always true. Exhibit A Bahman. Anyway...
peace man! peace
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If you want to teach people about code 19 then you might want to speak to them kindly, instead of rudely.
As wrote Miracle is not learning but witnessing by understanding it. Is designed like those stars in sky not falling according to their design. Can we deny existence of them because we do not know formula. I see that you are not ready to witness MIRACLE when asking for formula.
Have you had any resposne for such question in your topic?
http//free-minds.org/forum/index.php?topic=9598301.msg201036#msg201036
Peace.
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yes it is. there is a whole section for code 19.
Thats what we are discussing here. Removal of 2 verses is directly related to code 19
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Whether code 19 is real or not doesn't bother me. I am only glad that it lead so many people to believing in God alone and following the Quran.
7430-31 states the following
"Over it is nineteen." " We appointed angels to be guardians of Hell, and we assigned THEIR NUMBER (i.e.19) (1) to disturb the disbelievers. (2) to convince the Christians and Jews (that this is a divine scripture), (3) to strengthen the faith of the faithful, (4)to remove all traces of doubt from the hearts of Christians, Jews, as well as the believers, and (5) to expose those who harbor doubt in their hearts, and the disbelievers; they will say," What did God mean by this allegory ?" God thus sends astray whomever He wills, and guides whomever He wills, None knows the soldiers of your Lord except He. THIS IS A REMINDER FOR THE PEOPLE." 7430-31
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I see that you are not ready to witness MIRACLE when asking for formula.
Have you had any resposne for such question in your topic?
http//free-minds.org/forum/index.php?topic=9598301.msg201036#msg201036I know whether or not I am ready. Stop pretending that you know me.
Then how am I supposed to understand it and believe in it, by blind faith? No thanks!
I didn't get an answer but a member PM-ed me some links.Thats what we are discussing here. Removal of 2 verses is directly related to code 19
Well that might be part of the title but I didn't mention it in the topic. You are free to mention whatever you like but there is no need for long essays just on code 19. Like I said, there is a whole section on code 19 so links can be given to direct to any useful threads, preventing going off-topic.
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As wrote Miracle is not learning but witnessing by understanding it. Is designed like those stars in sky not falling according to their design. Can we deny existence of them because we do not know formula. I see that you are not ready to witness MIRACLE when asking for formula.
Have you had any resposne for such question in your topic?
http//free-minds.org/forum/index.php?topic=9598301.msg201036#msg201036
Peace.
PS they can forge another Quran but never can have such embedded Miracle.What miracle? There's Christians who would say the same thing about the Bible...it's just playing with numbers.
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What miracle?
Peace
As a thinker you should be more craeful with such statement.
Have you ever studied this file?There's Christians who would say the same thing about the Bible...it's just playing with numbers
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As a thinker you may show detail of Bible code which is nothing compared to Code 19 and compare it to Miracle of Quran. If you can not understand either code and what are based on then you are wasting time of readers participating in a discussion not having enough knowledge.
I would be happy to assit you for any question but please stay away from Miracle topics up to time you can have your own opinion and comments like those taht Ayman and his frien Eid,Abadallah, Hiliday.........ids
The best thing is may you search for thier topic and find how they are locked into thier own confusion. They can fool poeple with no knowledge of Miracle but not those that understand and witness it. )
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I know whether or not I am ready. Stop pretending that you know me.
We know each other by our posts here and if we are honest then we can see reflection of our environment over our opinion.peace
You have been honest and wrote in one of your early posts that you have been raised in Sunni family, You are not the first and last one to be in position that your past belief avoid them to read and study Miracle carefully and with a heart free of prejudices, aheart that forget the bearer of messages and just only God Alone. A heart that be linked to a free mind of all false learning and reborn with new belief.
God Alone Quran Alone based o solid proof not emotional feeling. New generations are more knowledgeable and expecting voluble and touchable proof not Arabic chanting of messages and speech of those confused sheikhs and ayatollahs making you sick.
Please study Miracle and further discoveries carefully and any part is not clear post it I and many others are prompt to response.Then how am I supposed to understand it and believe in it, by blind faith? No thanks!
Is not blind faith and nobody invites you or force you to believe it unless you do your own study and search 1736
All material is spread over this screen and if you need help I would be happy transfer more information. See hoe Monur Ali was thinking that he needs PHD to understand it and after just few words an simple explanation he responded WOW.
When you are ready and is up to God witnessing Miracle you would be surperized how these number so easy by so complicated design can not be man made.
It has been there with Original Quran . God knows future, God knew that they wiladd 2 verses to the chapter without His name to abuse it to bring prophet to God?s level as Raheem to take advantage to be in position to give Satanic fetwas (religious law) based on their own fabricated fair tale stories of prophet life. God knew that Origianl would be burnt and Satan is schemer God knows the best and He put those 14 initials for future to show how Satan has fooled us for 1400 years and resul of such foolishness is the situation in Mohammedans territories from corrupter tyrannous regimes to killing each other for their death leaders to be the one having postion of prophet and be Raheem like God.I didn't get an answer but a member PM-ed me some links
I am not sure if I have missed your question . would you repeat it please.
Well that might be part of the title but I didn't mention it in the topic. You are free to mention whatever you like but there is no need for long essays just on code 19. Like I said, there is a whole section on code 19 so links can be given to direct to any useful threads, preventing going off-topic.
Is this your rules or forum rules that we are not allowed to paste the information. by your reasoning many of the posting in this forum are off topics.
If you spend little time and study Miracle closely and bring your own quaetion about claims then i and others do not have to waste time over such issues.
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peace
You have been honest and wrote in one of your early posts that you have been raised in Sunni family, You are not the first and last one to be in position that your past belief avoid them to read and study Miracle carefully and with a heart free of prejudices, aheart that forget the bearer of messages and just only God Alone. A heart that be linked to a free mind of all false learning and reborn with new belief.
God Alone Quran Alone based o solid proof not emotional feeling. New generations are more knowledgeable and expecting voluble and touchable proof not Arabic chanting of messages and speech of those confused sheikhs and ayatollahs making you sick.
Please study Miracle and further discoveries carefully and any part is not clear post it I and many others are prompt to response.
Is not blind faith and nobody invites you or force you to believe it unless you do your own study and search 1736
All material is spread over this screen and if you need help I would be happy transfer more information. See hoe Monur Ali was thinking that he needs PHD to understand it and after just few words an simple explanation he responded WOW.
When you are ready and is up to God witnessing Miracle you would be surperized how these number so easy by so complicated design can not be man made.
It has been there with Original Quran . God knows future, God knew that they wiladd 2 verses to the chapter without His name to abuse it to bring prophet to God?s level as Raheem to take advantage to be in position to give Satanic fetwas (religious law) based on their own fabricated fair tale stories of prophet life. God knew that Origianl would be burnt and Satan is schemer God knows the best and He put those 14 initials for future to show how Satan has fooled us for 1400 years and resul of such foolishness is the situation in Mohammedans territories from corrupter tyrannous regimes to killing each other for their death leaders to be the one having postion of prophet and be Raheem like God.
I am not sure if I have missed your question . would you repeat it please. Is this your rules or forum rules that we are not allowed to paste the information. by your reasoning many of the posting in this forum are off topics.
If you spend little time and study Miracle closely and bring your own quaetion about claims then i and others do not have to waste time over such issues.
PeaceYes my family are Sunni but they have nothing to do with it. I forgot every single thing they taught me and I am open to new concepts. I have spent some time looking for a simple explanation but could not find any. Feel free to PM me any links if you like.
I am not sure if I have missed your question . would you repeat it please.
I meant I never received a stright forward answer on my thread but a member PM-ed me some links to a code 19 site (I can't remember which one but I still have the message)Is this your rules or forum rules that we are not allowed to paste the information
I never said it was a rule. I would just prefer to hear the views on the main topic, which is why I posted it in the first place.If you spend little time and study Miracle closely and bring your own quaetion about claims then i and others do not have to waste time over such issues.
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I don't understand. What are you wasting your time on?
Peace.
Wasting time when you people reject Miracle without studying it and pointing the portions that is wrong. There are tons of claims by your friends that have tried to confuse new truth seekers that are in middle of their studies and examination.
I am not chat room person and prefer to record what isaid and waht you said publicly as may help others looking for such discussion. We have upload tons of information and yet you ask for link. What link are you looking?
What is your question is not answered?
Would you write your question in detail.
You can study the last and final purification of Quran by code 19 and by visiting link in 19.org you can follow rejections and pro discovery. Do not need PHD as Ali was thinking too. Just spend a little time and if you have any question you can post it here or there which would be answered for sure.
This new discovery after final certification finalize removal of 2 fabricated verses and block any addition or subtraction.
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If you spend little time and study Miracle closely and bring your own quaetion about claims then i and others do not have to waste time over such issues.
I don't understand. What are you wasting your time on?I don't get it. confused We are spending time about cde 19 in Quran.
7430-31 states the following
"Over it is nineteen." " We appointed angels to be guardians of Hell, and we assigned THEIR NUMBER (i.e.19) (1) to disturb the disbelievers. (2) to convince the Christians and Jews (that this is a divine scripture), (3) to strengthen the faith of the faithful, (4)to remove all traces of doubt from the hearts of Christians, Jews, as well as the believers, and (5) to expose those who harbor doubt in their hearts, and the disbelievers; they will say," What did God mean by this allegory ?" God thus sends astray whomever He wills, and guides whomever He wills, None knows the soldiers of your Lord except He. THIS IS A REMINDER FOR THE PEOPLE." 7430-31
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Yes my family are Sunni but they have nothing to do with it. I forgot every single thing they taught me and I am open to new concepts. I have spent some time looking for a simple explanation but could not find any. Feel free to PM me any links if you like.
I am not sure if I have missed your question . would you repeat it please.
I meant I never received a stright forward answer on my thread but a member PM-ed me some links to a code 19 site (I can't remember which one but I still have the message)You can read the first 3 articles in "mathematical miracle of the quran" in submission.org