Translations - Another dangerous form of Hadith
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Peace Q_student,
In Traditional Hadiths ,they concocted a Theme and attributed to Prophet PBUH
In Modern Hadiths ,they concoct a theme and attribute it to Allah (Quran) in the name of Translation /inscriptions /www.blablabla.com/code 19 etc
A dangerous Trend.But even native Arabic speakers "translate" in their minds. So for example, some hear the word " " and translate it in their minds to
"The stone cube in Mecca built by the Saudis in 1996 and that has a vagina-shaped enclosure in one of its corners containing some small black stones (Tektites) glued together with epoxy and named the Black Stone."
Other native Arabic speakers hear it and translate it in their mind as
"A rock in Jerusalem".
Yet they are all reading the same Arabic text. Those hidden differences in understanding are exposed when you ask them to translate to English or another language. If you have something against translation in general as a concept then by the same token you must abandon all understanding in general since willingly or unwillingly you translate Arabic words such as " " in your head to whatever meaning you think is right. So if you eliminate the translation in your head then what you are suggesting is not to understand and just read mindlessly as if the great reading is saying "bla bla bla".
Peace,
Ayman
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Peace Q_student,
But even native Arabic speakers "translate" in their minds. So for example, some hear the word " " and translate it in their minds to
"The stone cube in Mecca built by the Saudis in 1996 and that has a vagina-shaped enclosure in one of its corners containing some small black stones (Tektites) glued together with epoxy and named the Black Stone."
Other native Arabic speakers hear it and translate it in their mind as
"A rock in Jerusalem".
Yet they are all reading the same Arabic text. Those hidden differences in understanding are exposed when you ask them to translate to English or another language. If you have something against translation in general as a concept then by the same token you must abandon all understanding in general since willingly or unwillingly you translate Arabic words such as " " in your head to whatever meaning you think is right. So if you eliminate the translation in your head then what you are suggesting is not to understand and just read mindlessly as if the great reading is saying "bla bla bla".
Peace,
Ayman
All of them know what the "Al-ka3bah" is. Only people with satanic agendas they try to misguids the people with translations.
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All of them know what the "Al-ka3bah" is. Only people with satanic agendas they try to misguids the people with translations.
If it is really as known as you say, then tell us which one you personally translate in your mind the word " " to
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"The stone cube in Mecca built by the Saudis in 1996 and that people love to kiss and fondle and that has a vagina-shaped enclosure in one of its corners containing some small black stones (Tektites) glued together with epoxy and named the Black Stone."
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"A rock in Jerusalem".
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Some other object or concept, and if so what?
Peace,
Ayman
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If it is really as known as you say, then tell us which one you personally translate in your mind the word " " to
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"The stone cube in Mecca built by the Saudis in 1996 and that people love to kiss and fondle and that has a vagina-shaped enclosure in one of its corners containing some small black stones (Tektites) glued together with epoxy and named the Black Stone."
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"A rock in Jerusalem".
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Some other object or concept, and if so what?
Peace,
Ayman
That is your opinion.
Every year millions of people go to Saudi ARabi for Hajj and they visit "Alka3bah" without knowing what the "Alka3baa" is . Subhaanallah what a knowledge "our translators (modern hadithists) have got. This is the problem with this modern Hadith which Quran condemns.
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Peace Q_student,
That is your opinion.
No, it is not my opinion. It is an indisputable fact. Do you contest any of the following indisputable facts
- The stone cube in Mecca was built by the Saudis in 1996.
- People love to kiss and fondle this stone cube.
- It has a dilated vagina-shaped enclosure in one of its corners (if you don't know what I am talking about, ask someone who has witnessed a newborn's delivery).
- The enclosure contains some small black stones.
- Those stones are glued together with epoxy and named the Black Stone.
Every year millions of people go to Saudi ARabi for Hajj and they visit "Alka3bah" without knowing what the "Alka3baa" is . Subhaanallah what a knowledge "our translators (modern hadithists) have got. This is the problem with this modern Hadith which Quran condemns.
All those people choose (1) as the answer and I guess this is your answer too. So your modern Hadith translation in your head of the word " " is that it is "the stone cube in Mecca built by the Saudis in 1996 and that people love to kiss and fondle and that has a vagina-shaped enclosure in one of its corners containing some small black stones (Tektites) glued together with epoxy and named the Black Stone". Moreover you unwillingly submit to the truth that in reality you don't know what " " is and you are simply blindly following the majority.
Peace,
Ayman
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Peace Q_student,
No, it is not my opinion. It is an indisputable fact. Do you contest any of the following indisputable facts
- The stone cube in Mecca was built by the Saudis in 1996.
- People love to kiss and fondle this stone cube.
- It has a dilated vagina-shaped enclosure in one of its corners (if you don't know what I am talking about, ask someone who has witnessed a newborn's delivery).
- The enclosure contains some small black stones.
- Those stones are glued together with epoxy and named the Black Stone.
Thats your opinion brother.
Indisputable Facts- Kaabah was built by Ibrahim AS
- We love to kiss and fondle this only because our prophet Muhammad SAW did that.
3.Estaghfirullahi Rabbi - so?
- again your opinon.
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Peace Q_student,
No, it is not my opinion. It is an indisputable fact. Do you contest any of the following indisputable facts
- The stone cube in Mecca was built by the Saudis in 1996.
- People love to kiss and fondle this stone cube.
- It has a dilated vagina-shaped enclosure in one of its corners (if you don't know what I am talking about, ask someone who has witnessed a newborn's delivery).
- The enclosure contains some small black stones.
- Those stones are glued together with epoxy and named the Black Stone.
All those people choose (1) as the answer and I guess this is your answer too. So your modern Hadith translation in your head of the word " " is that it is "the stone cube in Mecca built by the Saudis in 1996 and that people love to kiss and fondle and that has a vagina-shaped enclosure in one of its corners containing some small black stones (Tektites) glued together with epoxy and named the Black Stone". Moreover you unwillingly submit to the truth that in reality you don't know what " " is and you are simply blindly following the majority.
Peace,
Ayman
Brother "any translation " is not Quran.
Quran is only and only in ARabic.
Persons suffering from Delusional disorder ,every delusion is an indisputable fact for them.
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Peace Q_student,
Brother "any translation " is not Quran.
Quran is only and only in ARabic.Yes, including the translation in your imagination where you imagine the word " " to mean "the stone cube in Mecca built by the Saudis in 1996 and that people love to kiss and fondle and that has a vagina-shaped enclosure in one of its corners containing some small black stones (Tektites) glued together with epoxy and named the Black Stone".
Persons suffering from Delusional disorder ,every delusion is an indisputable fact for them.
This is especially true of delusional pagans like you who love to spin around, kiss and fondle filthy stones while they are half naked and wearing nothing but towels. )
Indisputable facts by definition can be verified with one's own eyes. So here is a picture of Saudi workers building the foundation of the your pagan cube in 1996
http//www.isocnews.com/images/stories/kaaba_renovation.jpg
Here is a picture of your beloved Black Stone in the corner of your filthy pagan idol
http//img40.imageshack.us/img40/6770/hajraswad155kb.jpg
Here is a closer look so that you can see the broken small stones glued together with a brownish epoxy
http//img113.imageshack.us/img113/7458/7theblackstone02vu3.jpg
Please resist the urge to hug an kiss your computer screen ).
Peace,
Ayman
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http//img113.imageshack.us/img113/7458/7theblackstone02vu3.jpg
Please resist the urge to hug an kiss your computer screen ).
Peace,
Ayman
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you are just jealous!
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This is strange and disturbing. Couldn't they have used a different coloured glue? Or is it some kind of practical joke that the Saudi princes couldn't help but play?
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This is strange and disturbing. Couldn't they have used a different coloured glue? Or is it some kind of practical joke that the Saudi princes couldn't help but play?
What all of this stuff has to do Modern Hadith of Translations /Inscriptions/Code 19/www.blablabla.com ?????
Regards
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What do "translations" have to do with "code 19"? Are you alleging that Rashad Khalifa is the ONLY person to make an English translation of the Qur'aan?
I agree with Ayman. A translation is in your mind; it doesn't even have to be written. People reflect what's in their mind through their translations of what the scripture says. That's why so many people mistakenly claim that, according to their "translation" (or personal understanding), the Qur'aan condones spousal abuse and circling a cube in Makkah, even though other "translators" would fiercely object to those claims...
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What do "translations" have to do with "code 19"? Are you alleging that Rashad Khalifa is the ONLY person to make an English translation of the Qur'aan?
I agree with Ayman. A translation is in your mind; it doesn't even have to be written. People reflect what's in their mind through their translations of what the scripture says. That's why so many people mistakenly claim that, according to their "translation" (or personal understanding), the Qur'aan condones spousal abuse and circling a cube in Makkah, even though other "translators" would fiercely object to those claims...
Translation is Translation NOT THE QURAN (A human made stuff) .That is why there is a lot difference of opinions in them.Some Liars translated "Khalifa " as Satan god" and "Al-daabba" as computer.
When this stuff is from "ghairullahi" (Other than God).Allah says
Any man made versions of Hadith (old/New) are against Quran.This is satanic agenda to create "confusion".
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Translation is Translation NOT THE QURAN (A human made stuff) .That is why there is a lot difference of opinions in them.Some Liars translated "Khalifa " as Satan god" and "Al-daabba" as computer.
When this stuff is from "ghairullahi" (Other than God).Allah says
Any man made versions of Hadith (old/New) are against Quran.This is satanic agenda to create "confusion".
RegardsWhat you stating is absurd. So the quran is a book NOT to be translated/interpreted?? What is the purpose of the quran then?? The quran claims to be for all humankind, how would this be possible if it isn't interpreted in another language and should be read purely in arabic as you claim.
I'm not disputing that the quran should be understood from its arabic concepts but in your opinion how would one understand the concepts in the quran if it is not translated??? IMPOSSIBLE!!
peace
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What you stating is absurd. So the quran is a book NOT to be translated/interpreted?? What is the purpose of the quran then?? The quran claims to be for all humankind, how would this be possible if it isn't interpreted in another language and should be read purely in arabic as you claim.
I'm not disputing that the quran should be understood from its arabic concepts but in your opinion how would one understand the concepts in the quran if it is not translated??? IMPOSSIBLE!!
peace
Why translations are different because these from "Other than Allah" which Quran rejects ;
When this stuff is from "ghairullahi" (Other than God).Allah says
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Quran clearly says "do not believe in anything other than Quran".
I cannot believe in this "satanic work " . You can if you like. No problem brother.
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Translation is Translation NOT THE QURAN (A human made stuff) .That is why there is a lot difference of opinions in them.Some Liars translated "Khalifa " as Satan god" and "Al-daabba" as computer.
When this stuff is from "ghairullahi" (Other than God).Allah says
Any man made versions of Hadith (old/New) are against Quran.This is satanic agenda to create "confusion".
Nobody that I've heard of, including Rashad Khalifa, ever translated "khalifa" as 'satan god'. It is always translated as successor or represenative. Rashad also didn't translate "al daabba" as 'computer'. Have you even read his translation? You don't seem to have a clue as to what you're talking about... When it comes to translations, interpretations, and duplicates of the Qur'aan, that is what the scripture was presented for, so it could spread to the world. Are you claiming that you have the ORIGINAL Qur'aan, composed by the prophet himself? How do you know that YOUR Qur'aan isn't also a translation? Just because it's in Arabic doesn't mean it's authentic, and Arabic speakers are known for adding in their own commentary and parentheses to explain THEIR VIEW of what the scripture is saying.
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Nobody that I've heard of, including Rashad Khalifa, ever translated "khalifa" as 'satan god'. It is always translated as successor or represenative. Rashad also didn't translate "al daabba" as 'computer'. Have you even read his translation? You don't seem to have a clue as to what you're talking about... When it comes to translations, interpretations, and duplicates of the Qur'aan, that is what the scripture was presented for, so it could spread to the world. Are you claiming that you have the ORIGINAL Qur'aan, composed by the prophet himself? How do you know that YOUR Qur'aan isn't also a translation? Just because it's in Arabic doesn't mean it's authentic, and Arabic speakers are known for adding in their own commentary and parentheses to explain THEIR VIEW of what the scripture is saying.
Brother ! You knowledge about RK is very faulty. Just like you were insisting that Lahori Ahmediis are considered Muslim in Pakistan then I copied pasted the amendment in Constituition of Pakistan.While your claim was without any evidence.
Exactly ,this is what you are doing about RK .
Look at his Translations
Satan A Temporary "god"*
Recall that your Lord said to the angels, "I am placing a representative (a temporary god) on Earth." They said, "Will You place therein one who will spread evil therein and shed blood, while we sing Your praises, glorify You, and uphold Your absolute authority?" He said, "I know what you do not know."Source = http//www.submission.org/suras/sura2.htm
The Computer Is The Creature*
At the right time, we will produce for them a creature, made of earthly materials, declaring that the people are not certain about our revelations.
Foot note on this verse about 2782*2782 (2+7+8+2 = 19) The computer was required to unveil the Quran's mathematical miracle, and it proved that most people have discarded God's message (see Appendices 1 & 19).
Source http//www.submission.org/suras/sura27.html
Who has not read these translations ???? You or I
Regards
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Peace Q_student,
What all of this stuff has to do Modern Hadith of Translations /Inscriptions/Code 19/www.blablabla.com ?????
It has everything to do with Modern Hadith. A translation is just an interpretation just like when you interpret and translate in your mind the word " " to mean "the stone cube in Mecca built by the Saudis in 1996 and that people love to kiss and fondle and that has a vagina-shaped enclosure in one of its corners containing some small black stones (Tektites) glued together with epoxy and named the Black Stone." You can't escape making an interpretation/translation in your mind unless you stop thinking alltogether. Your logical fallacy of appeal to popularity in an attempt to escape from the burden of thinking logically and to justify your false translation/interpretation of " " is just another form of Modern Hadith junk since it has absolutely no basis in the great reading.
Ironically, despite all your criticism of 19ers and Hadithists, Rashad Khalifa and Ahl Al-Sunna interpret and translate the word " " exactly like you do. You have a lot more in common with 19ers and Sunnis than you realize. Practically speaking, you share 99% of their beliefs and so you are likely to find yourself next to a 19er and a Sunni mindlessly revering a useless and inert stone cube and spinning around it in the false hope that all your sins will be forgiven and you will return as if you are a newborn while in reality you are all committing the only unforgivable sin of idolatry. So you should look at yourself in the mirror and worry about yourself first.
Peace,
Ayman
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Peace Q_student,
It has everything to do with Modern Hadith. A translation is just an interpretation just like when you interpret and translate in your mind the word " " to mean "the stone cube in Mecca built by the Saudis in 1996 and that people love to kiss and fondle and that has a vagina-shaped enclosure in one of its corners containing some small black stones (Tektites) glued together with epoxy and named the Black Stone." You can't escape making an interpretation/translation in your mind unless you stop thinking alltogether. Your logical fallacy of appeal to popularity in an attempt to escape from the burden of thinking logically and to justify your false translation/interpretation of " " is just another form of Modern Hadith junk since it has absolutely no basis in the great reading.
Ironically, despite all your criticism of 19ers and Hadithists, Rashad Khalifa and Ahl Al-Sunna interpret and translate the word " " exactly like you do. You have a lot more in common with 19ers and Sunnis than you realize. Practically speaking, you share 99% of their beliefs and so you are likely to find yourself next to a 19er and a Sunni mindlessly revering a useless and inert stone cube and spinning around it in the false hope that all your sins will be forgiven and you will return as if you are a newborn while in reality you are all committing the only unforgivable sin of idolatry. So you should look at yourself in the mirror and worry about yourself first.
Peace,
Ayman
Hadith modern of Old ,Quran has clearly declared not to believe it
When Quran forbids to believe any "Hadith" other than Quran. No arguement can influence me at least.Because Quran is Supreme.
Regards
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Peace Liquidharma,
This is strange and disturbing. Couldn't they have used a different coloured glue? Or is it some kind of practical joke that the Saudi princes couldn't help but play?
The problem is that larger Tektites are rarer and get more expensive. This is why they used small relatively inexpensive ones that they glued together with this brownish epoxy. You can find them here for around $100
http//www.meteorites-for-sale.com/catalog/tektites-for-sale.html
They have them on special now so you also get a 10% discount if you spend over a $100. So for a cheap price you could have your own Black Stone just like the one in Mecca. )
So as brother RasulHamsa indicated, for those who are jaleous of Sunnis because they have a Black Stone, they can spend about a $1,000 and make an even bigger and better Black Stone of their own. ) What is more is that they can use their favorite color for the epoxy and they don't have to settle for the Saudis' brown epoxy which is so old fashioned.
Peace,
Ayman