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Marriage and muslim women?

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    Al_Araf
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    Salam sanita. The category of person you describe, "non-muslim, non idolater, monotheistic in a sense" is not found in the Quran. Secondly, "marriage" is not found in the Quran. What is found in the Quran is Nikah for believers. The closest I can come to the category you describe is found in surah Al Nur.

    Allah begins by saying, 241 This chapter is sent on you obligatory on you and in it are verses between what is said to you. 242 The prostitute and the prostitutee lash all of them one hundred lashes and do not let compassion move you in the faith of Allah in a matter prescribed by Allah if you believe in Allah and the final day and witness the destruction a party of the believers. 243 The prostitutee cannot nikah except a prostitute or an associatress, and a prostitute cannot be nikah except to a prostitutee or an associator. And these limits are on the momins.

    The use of the word farzanaha in the preamble to this surah is critical to comprehend the purpose of the surah. Farzahana means obligatory upon you. Obligatory means you have no choice in the matter, you are required to comply with the this surah regardless. I examined the word alzanitu and alzani, and find there is no Arabic root to these words, nor is there a Hebrew root to these words. however, there is an Aramaic root to these words. The Aramaic word is identical, and they mean prostitute and prostitutee. What Allah has to say next is that if there is a Muslim who associates anything with Allah, the momin is prohibited from a nikah with that person. Clearly Allah has categorized association along with prostitution. Allah has also absolutely prohibited a momim from a nikah with a person who has been with a prostitute, or a person who associates anything with Allah.

    If you are a momin, and associate nothing with Allah, and have not engaged in prostitution; until a man associates nothing with Allah, or if he has been a prostitutee, his nikah with you is prohibited.

    Allah is the one who accepts repentance and is merciful.

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      liquiddharma
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      Salamz all,

      I just finished reading your hallal and haram section on marriage, and i was wondering out of curiosity, since it is not mentioned on ur website- Is it thus by default, acceptable for a Muslim women to marry a non-muslim man, who is not an idolizer, but is monothistic in a sense

      Salams Sanita,

      I think all the teachings in the Quran are reversable unless it's specifically stated otherwise. Having said that, it's always important to know what your fiance expects of your relationship, religiously speaking, and that it is compatable with your personal faith.

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        Recluse
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        The Quran does not forbid Muslim women from marriage with "men of the Book". It states that men are allowed to marry "women of the book", but it does not mention women at all, which implies that it is not necessarily forbidden (perhaps discouraged), because when something is forbidden God mentions it explicitly.

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          Rev_John
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          Salamz all,

          I just finished reading your hallal and haram section on marriage, and i was wondering out of curiosity, since it is not mentioned on ur website- Is it thus by default, acceptable for a Muslim women to marry a non-muslim man, who is not an idolizer, but is monothistic in a sense

          I hope so.

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            khadidjatu
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            Salam sanita. Implied in your post is that you are a Muslim contemplating marriage with a non Muslim.

            Allah has established a had/limit, that a wife is to obey her husband. How will a Muslim woman comply with the had, if her husband demands that she not comply with the had?

            For example, if a Muslim woman gets up to make salat ul fajr, and her non Muslim husband tells her to make coffee. Which had of Allah should she violate? Should she make salat and disobey her husband, or should she make coffee and disobey Allah. In either case she is disobeying Allah.

            With mutual consultations,does a wife fix a problem,like that.He wait,untill she is finished.The man you are talking about here,a tyrant,should not have a wife.

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              Alen
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              The Quran does not forbid Muslim women from marriage with "men of the Book". It states that men are allowed to marry "women of the book", but it does not mention women at all, which implies that it is not necessarily forbidden (perhaps discouraged), because when something is forbidden God mentions it explicitly.

              Peace,
              Respectfully.

              I agree, good point.
              God bless you.

              Peace.

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                nsws1988
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                Allah has established a had/limit, that a wife is to obey her husband.

                Quranic evidence?

                With mutual consultations,does a wife fix a problem,like that.He wait,untill she is finished.The man you are talking about here,a tyrant,should not have a wife.

                bravo

                I have a solution He can make his own coffee. Problem solved!

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                  sarah2505
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                  exactly. Why should she be the one to make him coffee anyway? It's really easy to make, and he should make a cup for her too

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                    nsws1988
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                    exactly. Why should she be the one to make him coffee anyway? It's really easy to make, and he should make a cup for her too

                    bravo

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                      SarahY
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                      Al Araf

                      That's a bit ridiculous

                      Give me your evidence that Allah has established a hadd that a women must obey her husband? What?s the husband?s job? to boss the wife around?

                      So a person must never turn down any sort of offer otherwise that makes one a sinner. Sorry! the wife a sinner because you?re implicated the husband shouldn?t listen to the wife. Damn image she?s in the toilet and the husband commands her to make a coffee goodness, she?s going to hell people for being disobedient. Great logic mate. Seriously that?s silly, this almost sounds like sunnis. Normal people in normal relationships would listen to one another and compromise.

                      Things can screw up in good times and bad times even with ?momin?. People are human remember.

                      Something i noticed in the sunni world. Men who earn an income think they?re greater and worthy of obedience simply because they?re earning money.

                      Share your knowledge of hadood.

                      BTW i don?t entirely disagree, people mesh better with people who have similar focuses. Otherwise some might have hopeful intentions of 'one day they'll change' people have different criteria's depends what they go by.

                      Sanita
                      monotheistic in a sense? I'll quote the Irish on this one and say be sure, be sure, be sure, be sure and in case you didn't notice, be sure!

                      some things to keep in mind

                      • do you want to have children, if so how do you want to raise them and is there mutual agreement.
                      • does the other have full awareness of your belief
                      • are you prepared to live the rest of your life with them, as they are (can't expect them to change)

                      Salam

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                        Q_student
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                        Al Araf

                        That's a bit ridiculous

                        Give me your evidence that Allah has established a hadd that a women must obey her husband? What?s the husband?s job? to boss the wife around?

                        So a person must never turn down any sort of offer otherwise that makes one a sinner. Sorry! the wife a sinner because you?re implicated the husband shouldn?t listen to the wife. Damn image she?s in the toilet and the husband commands her to make a coffee goodness, she?s going to hell people for being disobedient. Great logic mate. Seriously that?s silly, this almost sounds like sunnis. Normal people in normal relationships would listen to one another and compromise.

                        Things can screw up in good times and bad times even with ?momin?. People are human remember.

                        Something i noticed in the sunni world. Men who earn an income think they?re greater and worthy of obedience simply because they?re earning money.

                        Share your knowledge of hadood.

                        BTW i don?t entirely disagree, people mesh better with people who have similar focuses. Otherwise some might have hopeful intentions of 'one day they'll change' people have different criteria's depends what they go by.

                        Sanita
                        monotheistic in a sense? I'll quote the Irish on this one and say be sure, be sure, be sure, be sure and in case you didn't notice, be sure!

                        some things to keep in mind

                        • do you want to have children, if so how do you want to raise them and is there mutual agreement.
                        • does the other have full awareness of your belief
                        • are you prepared to live the rest of your life with them, as they are (can't expect them to change)

                        Salam

                        Peace ;
                        You are right.
                        The things can go vice versa.
                        The woman can go out to earn and run the house ,the husband should stay at home to
                        1 look after children/house
                        2Cook for the wife
                        Of course it seems ideal situation.
                        Regards

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                          Rev_John
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                          Peace ;
                          You are right.
                          The things can go vice versa.
                          The woman can go out to earn and run the house ,the husband should stay at home to
                          1 look after children/house
                          2Cook for the wife
                          Of course it seems ideal situation.
                          Regards

                          I don't see a problem with that. Equality is the thing.

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                            Q_student
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                            I don't see a problem with that. Equality is the thing.

                            I would have been very happy if I am allowed to stay at home and my wife goes out to earn. It will be an ideal situation for me.
                            Regards

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                              SarahY
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                              No such thing as equality, well there is but I reckon people drum it in too much.

                              People take on different roles, no biggie. What those roles are would depend on each relationship. people agree on different things, some might even rotate.

                              most women work nowadays yet men still expect wonder women, good luck guys! Some men can cook and prefer cooking, some don't. even some couples don't even cook for themselves! they got inlaws/family, restaurant food bla bla bla.

                              Everyone's mind is blocked on tradition i think

                              BTW not all people have children in a relationship, it's funny how people think.

                              I'd think if you cook, you cook for yourself and others. the way people put it is like a chore "cook for the wife".

                              I would have been very happy if I am allowed to stay at home and my wife goes out to earn. It will be an ideal situation for me.
                              Regards

                              you lazy... haha kidding

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                                No such thing as equality, well there is but I reckon people drum it in too much.

                                People take on different roles, no biggie. What those roles are would depend on each relationship. people agree on different things, some might even rotate.

                                most women work nowadays yet men still expect wonder women, good luck guys! Some men can cook and prefer cooking, some don't. even some couples don't even cook for themselves! they got inlaws/family, restaurant food bla bla bla.

                                Everyone's mind is blocked on tradition i think P

                                BTW not all people have children in a relationship, it's funny how people think.

                                I'd think if you cook, you cook for yourself and others. the way people put it is like a chore "cook for the wife".

                                you lazy... haha kidding

                                peace
                                BTW what you suggest for a family
                                Husband + wife + two kids

                                Situation - A

                                Husband should go out for earning to run the house.
                                Wife should stay at home looking after the house and children

                                Situation - B

                                Wife should go out for earning to run the house.
                                Husband should stay at home looking after the house and children

                                We are not talking about exceptional cases

                                Regards

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                                  SarahY
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                                  Dude I can?t give you a straight answer, every relationship differs there are too many variables and i ain?t talking exceptional cases. Ideally set roles have stability however they can still differ. They don?t have to be as concrete as ?you stay home cook clean, I work and make money?.

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                                    afridi220
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                                    exactly. Why should she be the one to make him coffee anyway? It's really easy to make, and he should make a cup for her too

                                    This is call day dreaming i will never make one for you.

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                                      sarah2505
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                                      This is call day dreaming i will never make one for you.

                                      Then look forward to a life of bachelorhood

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                                        Rev_John
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                                        Then look forward to a life of bachelorhood P

                                        bravo

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                                          nsws1988
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                                          Then look forward to a life of bachelorhood P

                                          bravo

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