Rashad Khalifa's Quran translation
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For the record, I was there when Layth made the decision to embark on the translation that went on to become "The Message". It was born out of frustration of the fact that RK's translation wasn't good enough and that people kept using it as they had preferred it to the older translations on the market at the time.
I remember Layth translating chapter by chapter and I did do proofreading on some of the early chapters he translated.
How anyone can say that it was based on RK's work is beyond me.
The reviews on amazon are not a great reference point as many people automatically love to tar you/us/anyone with the brush of Rashad Khalifa if we claim to follow the Quran alone and do not follow hadith. it is a classic way to defame people rather than to deal with us intellectually or using the Quran.
Any time someone says they follow the Quran alone or do not follow hadith, most people will associate those people with the "submitters" or "rashad Khalifa".
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Peace
But it is numbered into Chapters/Surahs and Verses/Ayahs put into specific order.
This is the end product we got, and that is what it says of Itself (as per Allah), is it not enough?
Or do we need also a code 19 on top of that? There is no mention of a code number being used to protect it, 19 or other...If influence of RK was not dominant what was there to suggest "Qur'aan is a numerically structured book-839,20"?
What relation does this have with the Grand Qur'aan to infer "Qur'aan is a numerically structured book" except that RK is whispering.
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peace Layth,
Rather than be supportive of a major project to spread the word of God, you are only spewing venom and hatred, being a hinderer of the message rather than being a neutral, or even, God forbid, a supporter!
So spewing venom and hatred is saying things like "MG translation was based on RK" and providing a way for people to verify/reject my statement?
So I have not been supportive of this project? Tell the forum Layth
who proof read half of it for you when you completed the first draft?
who spent many hours creating an easier to use html version for people to use offline?
who provided numerous corrections for you over several years? (for reference please see this the original thread)
who responded and provided feedback on layout and design of the book?
etc.It seems you have taken offence to the words "based on". Since this term is not defined, we can ask some clarifying questions, so we can define it better
which English translation do you consider the early version of the Free-Minds/MG translation to be most like?
(whatever answer you give, we can all examine it to see it stands)Very simple question bro Layth, let us know your answer.
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Haroon, thanks for the input. However, for the record, when I referred to "Aaron", I did not mean you. Myself and bro Aaron proofread more than you, as we were the primaries.
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Peace ;
This is the Satanic Methodology which the Translaters adopt to convey their own satanic ideas in the name of the Quran.
Regards
Dude you sounds like a right-wing Christians.. rotfl
Whenever they see everything that's not 'correct' in their view, blame Satan! Devil!Salam / Peace
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Dude you sounds like a right-wing Christians.. rotfl
Whenever they see everything that's not 'correct' in their view, blame Satan! Devil!Salam / Peace
If someone says that
Quran Lies
Allah lies
Code 19 is superior to AllahAre these acts Satanic or Divine /
Regards
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Peace Bros
looks like satan the cursed is tickling your egos a bit,
just shrug him off like Allah showed us, his scheming is weak to the believers...
it will only be hard for the next 100 years for us, promise...peace Layth,
So spewing venom and hatred is saying things like "MG translation was based on RK" and providing a way for people to verify/reject my statement?
So I have not been supportive of this project? Tell the forum Layth
who proof read half of it for you when you completed the first draft?
who spent many hours creating an easier to use html version for people to use offline?
who provided numerous corrections for you over several years? (for reference please see this the original thread)
who responded and provided feedback on layout and design of the book?
etc.It seems you have taken offence to the words "based on". Since this term is not defined, we can ask some clarifying questions, so we can define it better
which English translation do you consider the early version of the Free-Minds/MG translation to be most like?
(whatever answer you give, we can all examine it to see it stands)Very simple question bro Layth, let us know your answer.
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Haroon, thanks for the input. However, for the record, when I referred to "Aaron", I did not mean you. Myself and bro Aaron proofread more than you, as we were the primaries.
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Peace newform,
In terms of readability and fluidity of language, then I am in total agreement, for I haven't come across a single translator who is as acute in capturing the "gist" of a verse, nor as deft as fixating that "gist" into words.
I agree with the concerns of some that the translation may, at times, drift from faithfulness to the actual text, but overall, in my view, his seamless naturalisation into English overshadows this point.
I would readily propagate his translation.
Peace on the messengers.
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Further to my note above, I agree that there are striking similarities between the earlier editions of the MG translation and that of RK's. However, we cannot determine intent.
I would readily propagate Rashad Khalifa's translation, the Monotheist Group translation, the Reformist translation, or even some other non-partisan translation; we're all working towards the same Ultimate End.
I refuse to believe, even for a minute, that Wakas is trying to detract from anyone's work, I believe he is only speaking his mind. At the same time, however, despite some striking similarities, I don't believe we have sufficient evidence to accuse the MG translation of plagiarism.
We're one hand.
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Peace
But it is numbered into Chapters/Surahs and Verses/Ayahs put into specific order.
This is the end product we got, and that is what it says of Itself (as per Allah), is it not enough?
Or do we need also a code 19 on top of that? There is no mention of a code number being used to protect it, 19 or other...Quote from Mazhar on Yesterday at 055216 PM
If influence of RK was not dominant what was there to suggest "Qur'aan is a numerically structured book-839,20"?What relation does this have with the Grand Qur'aan to infer "Qur'aan is a numerically structured book" except that RK is whispering.
Books are numbered into chapters, paragraphs, page numbers etc but never some one has said that those books are numerically structured. Let the translator give logic/explanation of that conclusion about Grand Qur'aan.
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Peace
It is more complicated here with RK.
In his case it was a catch-22 situation.
I personally could have accepted code 19 if it were not that it it does not comply
with what I would recognize as strong digital signatures.
The attempt of RK to justify his credentials by claiming to be a Messenger made me switch off completely...
Code 19 is weak.
If there is another more credible numbering system, I am all ears...Now referring to the arrangement of the Quran, I was speaking of the fact that the Revelations' chronology did not come in the same
order as the Book was put together, and that maybe is what "kitaab marqoom" means, but Allah knows...Peace
But it is numbered into Chapters/Surahs and Verses/Ayahs put into specific order.
This is the end product we got, and that is what it says of Itself (as per Allah), is it not enough?
Or do we need also a code 19 on top of that? There is no mention of a code number being used to protect it, 19 or other...Quote from Mazhar on Yesterday at 055216 PM
If influence of RK was not dominant what was there to suggest "Qur'aan is a numerically structured book-839,20"?What relation does this have with the Grand Qur'aan to infer "Qur'aan is a numerically structured book" except that RK is whispering.
Books are numbered into chapters, paragraphs, page numbers etc but never some one has said that those books are numerically structured. Let the translator give logic/explanation of that conclusion about Grand Qur'aan.
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uq, thanks for the input, however for clarity, I did not accuse anyone of plagiarism.
In any case, Layth and I have discussed this issue, and whilst we may have disagreements on small things here and there, we are firmly united in direction.
And hold fast, all together, unto the rope of God, and do not draw apart from one another...
