Hello Folks, Fawzia here! I was a Quranist for 10 months.
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Here's a good article on it. It's by a Fawzia but he quotes Abu Ammar Yasir Qadhi's book 'introduction to the sciences of the Quran' which is an essential book on the subject
http//www.answering-islam.org/PQ/notrevealed.htm#top
thanks, now give me proof that the Hafs variant is correct to the last letter.
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hmm.... Hello Folks, over here!! Fawzia was a Quranist for 10 months.
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huh? when did i say observation?
You didnt. You said 'evidence'. My evidence is based on observation which I obtained through research. So in effect, its as mythical as your father's friend.
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hmm.... Hello Folks, over here!! Fawzia was a Quranist for 10 months. o
Maybe 10 seconds....
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You didnt. You said 'evidence'. My evidence is based on observation which I obtained through research. So in effect, its as mythical as your father's friend.
does that mean that the book my father's friend bought isn't real? Are you familiar that you need only one counterexample to disprove a rule? in this case, the rule being that the hafs version is the only correct one?
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have some water please
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thanks, now give me proof that the Hafs variant is correct to the last letter.
Once again, its simple. Quran pegs its 'protectedness' or dhikr or eminent one. 'Hafs' is the eminent one and therefore it is the subject to test. If you find it a mistake with it, bring it forward.
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does that mean that the book my father's friend bought isn't real? Are you familiar that you need only one counterexample to disprove a rule? in this case, the rule being that the hafs version is the only correct one?
What your father friend brough, if you're telling the truth, is NOT the Quran familiar to the overwhelming majority. Therefore, it is NOT dhikr.
Like I said, if you believe the 'one counter example' theory, then your God is a real dumb God because all it takes is a printer and that's it, his protection goes down the flusher. Not worth worshipping.
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where does it say that in the Quran?
15/9 and 41/42 talks about adh-dhikr and its protectedness. 80/11-16 is also about adh-dhikr and speaks of the term 'marfu3ah' or 'raised high' which is once again, what you call the 'hafs' version.
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What your father friend brough, if you're telling the truth, is NOT the Quran familiar to the overwhelming majority. Therefore, it is NOT dhikr.
Like I said, if you believe the 'one counter example' theory, then your God is a real dumb God because all it takes is a printer and that's it, his protection goes down the flusher. Not worth worshipping.
majority rules? it's not a Quran someone just printed, but by an established printing house, and it's not just one, but one of many. your argument about popularity does not make much sense, considering how old both variants are
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15/9 and 41/42 talks about adh-dhikr and its protectedness. 80/11-16 is also about adh-dhikr and speaks of the term 'marfu3ah' or 'raised high' which is once again, what you call the 'hafs' version.
explain, not everyone here studies the Quran in Arabic, and translations often do not include multiple meanings of the Arabic words. Make things easier for everyone, ok?
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majority rules? it's not a Quran someone just printed, but by an established printing house, and it's not just one, but one of many. your argument about popularity does not make much sense, considering how old both variants are
Yeah, thats the point, both are OLD. Hafs and warsh but warsh can NEVER overtake hafs. It just simply cannot be done because of the Muslim's iconisation of the Quran. They have abandoned its teachings but they practically worship the text.
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Yeah, thats the point, both are OLD. Hafs and warsh but warsh can NEVER overtake hafs.
It just simply cannot be done because of the Muslim's iconisation of the Quran. They have abandoned its teachings but they practically worship the text.
huh? those two statements don't seem to connect with each other. since when has one overtaking another been a point? it's just opinion
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explain, not everyone here studies the Quran in Arabic, and translations often do not include multiple meanings of the Arabic words. Make things easier for everyone, ok?
Fair enough
We have, without doubt, sent down Adh-dhikr ; and We will assuredly guard it (15/9)
Those who reject Adh-dhikr when it comes to them while indeed it is an honoured book. No falsehood can approach it from before or behind it It is sent down by One Full of Wisdom, Worthy of all Praise (41/41-42)
80/11-16
By no means (should it be so)! For it is indeed a Message of instruction Therefore let whoso will, keep it in remembrance. It is) in pages held (greatly) in honour, Raised high and purified, by the capacities of travellers-Honourable and Pious and Just.
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Re Hello Folks, Fawzia here! I was a Quranist for 10 months.
follow the rest of discussion here
http//free-minds.org/forum/index.php?topic=9599050.msg229938#msg229938
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huh? those two statements don't seem to connect with each other. since when has one overtaking another been a point? it's just opinion
Warsh remains a minority and can never overtake Hafs as the dominant edition. Of course its opinion but its based on my reading of Quran and what IT wants its reader to do. You instead took the 'which quran' guy as your evidence. So you stick with that and have fun...
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Warsh remains a minority and can never overtake Hafs as the dominant edition. Of course its opinion but its based on my reading of Quran and what IT wants its reader to do. You instead took the 'which quran' guy as your evidence. So you stick with that and have fun...
it's not a question of dominance, but authenticity. I am not saying that Hafs is fake, I am saying that both may be acceptable. You have rejected the Warsh variant based on your opinion only.