Hello Folks, Fawzia here! I was a Quranist for 10 months.
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Yeah, thats the point, both are OLD. Hafs and warsh but warsh can NEVER overtake hafs.
It just simply cannot be done because of the Muslim's iconisation of the Quran. They have abandoned its teachings but they practically worship the text.
huh? those two statements don't seem to connect with each other. since when has one overtaking another been a point? it's just opinion
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explain, not everyone here studies the Quran in Arabic, and translations often do not include multiple meanings of the Arabic words. Make things easier for everyone, ok?
Fair enough
We have, without doubt, sent down Adh-dhikr ; and We will assuredly guard it (15/9)
Those who reject Adh-dhikr when it comes to them while indeed it is an honoured book. No falsehood can approach it from before or behind it It is sent down by One Full of Wisdom, Worthy of all Praise (41/41-42)
80/11-16
By no means (should it be so)! For it is indeed a Message of instruction Therefore let whoso will, keep it in remembrance. It is) in pages held (greatly) in honour, Raised high and purified, by the capacities of travellers-Honourable and Pious and Just.
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Re Hello Folks, Fawzia here! I was a Quranist for 10 months.
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huh? those two statements don't seem to connect with each other. since when has one overtaking another been a point? it's just opinion
Warsh remains a minority and can never overtake Hafs as the dominant edition. Of course its opinion but its based on my reading of Quran and what IT wants its reader to do. You instead took the 'which quran' guy as your evidence. So you stick with that and have fun...
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Warsh remains a minority and can never overtake Hafs as the dominant edition. Of course its opinion but its based on my reading of Quran and what IT wants its reader to do. You instead took the 'which quran' guy as your evidence. So you stick with that and have fun...
it's not a question of dominance, but authenticity. I am not saying that Hafs is fake, I am saying that both may be acceptable. You have rejected the Warsh variant based on your opinion only.
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it's not a question of dominance, but authenticity. I am not saying that Hafs is fake, I am saying that both may be acceptable. You have rejected the Warsh variant based on your opinion only.
you base your rejection on other people's opinion?
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Those who reject Adh-dhikr when it comes to them while indeed it is an honoured book. No falsehood can approach it from before or behind it It is sent down by One Full of Wisdom, Worthy of all Praise (41/41-42)
80/11-16
By no means (should it be so)! For it is indeed a Message of instruction Therefore let whoso will, keep it in remembrance. It is) in pages held (greatly) in honour, Raised high and purified, by the capacities of travellers-Honourable and Pious and Just.
I don't see how small transcription errors indicate falsehood. Regardless of whether I wrote
I m going out
OR
I am goin out
They both mean "I am going out"
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it's not a question of dominance, but authenticity. I am not saying that Hafs is fake, I am saying that both may be acceptable. You have rejected the Warsh variant based on your opinion only.
That's why the Quran says adh-DHIKR in singular and not dhukoor or adhkaar in plural. There can only ONE eminent one, not two, not seven. Again, sure its my opinion but my opinion is based on the Quran, not on some fake orientalist assumptions and hadith, unlike some people.
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I haven't rejected anything, other than the hadiths, but that is based on the Quran
False, you accepted Warsh because SUNNIS accept Warsh and sunnis accept Warsh because of 7 ahruuf hadith. Do the math...
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You're comparing your language use with God's use? God uses VERY precise language to describe the ideology. One word out of place and the whole system breaks down. It's cool tho, you study what you like.
I don't see how small transcription errors indicate falsehood. Regardless of whether I wrote
I m going out
OR
I am goin out
They both mean "I am going out"
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False, you accepted Warsh because SUNNIS accept Warsh and sunnis accept Warsh because of 7 ahruuf hadith. Do the math...
Where did the Warsh variant come from?
When did it appear?
How old is the oldest Quran, and why does it have differences that match neither the present Hafs nor the present Warsh variants?
Has there been some variation over time?
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did you have to include this sentence? you don't think you are being rude here?
No , I don't. I am giving you my whole-hearted approval to do whatever you like since it's your God-given right.
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Where did the Warsh variant come from?
When did it appear?
How old is the oldest Quran, and why does it have differences that match neither the present Hafs nor the present Warsh variants?
Has there been some variation over time?
For Warsh and its history, read the book I quoted for you above by Yasir Qadhi. For oldest Quran, I don?t buy any of it since dhikr isn?t mushaf (which is the sunni term for oldest codices) . Dhikr is whatever is eminent. Masahif aren?t eminent and god knows who wrote them.
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For Warsh and its history, read the book I quoted for you above by Yasir Qadhi. For oldest Quran, I don?t buy any of it since dhikr isn?t mushaf (which is the sunni term for oldest codices) . Dhikr is whatever is eminent. Masahif aren?t eminent and god knows who wrote them.
how did they know what parts were correct and what werent' to get the present day Hafs variant then?
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how did they know what parts were correct and what werent' to get the present day Hafs variant then?
Who said they were interested in them? You met these people? How you know they were interested in authenticity?
From the time of the Prophet, the Quran was already written and vouchsafed. The Quran calls itself 'kitaab' (15/1, 27/1) which always implies something written and arranged and this dissemination already took place then. That is why, if you compare it with these 'textual variations', none of them ever gained any popularity because they were simply invented by volition of hadith. The best was Warsh and even then, only a small section of Muslims accepted it.
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From the time of the Prophet, the Quran was already written and vouchsafed.
How old is the oldest surviving Quran? Was it written by Muhammad himself (or his compatriots)? Have you seen it? A scan or the original manuscript in the museum maybe? Is it just like the Hafs? or does it have differences from both?
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Kindly refer to reply #89. You two need to reconsider your 'old=gold' mindsets. Quran doesn't agree with it at all. That's my last reply on the matter.