Hello Folks, Fawzia here! I was a Quranist for 10 months.
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explain
So you go digging in the middle east. you find a lost fragment of something which resembles Quran but with 'textual variants'. You date it and its from 'time of muhammad' (which you know thanks to hadith, lol). Does that mean Muhammad wrote it? Does that mean Muhammad approved of it? Evidence is what we INTERPRET to be evidence. I dont trust your interpretation, sorry.
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If Quran was like you said, full of scribal errors, then each Muslim country, local authorities, masjids etc would have REAL issues with 'which Quran' because textual authenticity is a big issue with Muslims and it always has been.
that would be true if you think people don't make mistakes, but they do.
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it is also true that people in Egypt at that time might not have had access to copies being made in Persia , for example, due to geographical distance.
Yesss and that would account for the war between egypt and persia over the Quran, right? They warred because each claimed to have the 'right' Quran?
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Don't beat about the bush please. You got it from hadith JUST like you got authority of Warsh from hadith. So stick with your warsh and hadith.
The warsh variant may be referred to in the hadith, but that is not relevant. You have not answered as to why there are no old Qurans that are purely Hafs.
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that would be true if you think people don't make mistakes, but they do.
What, so there's no probability of perfect transcription OR do you just discount that probability even though you have no proof of 2 Hafs having any discrepencies. Face it, you don't have this proof so you need to deal with that.
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What, so there's no probability of perfect transcription OR do you just discount that probability even though you have no proof of 2 Hafs having any discrepencies. Face it, you don't have this proof so you need to deal with that.
well that's natural, 2 copies of variant A are supposed to be the same, or else both would not be called variant A. They'd be called something else.
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The warsh variant may be referred to in the hadith, but that is not relevant. You have not answered as to why there are no old Qurans that are purely Hafs.
Changing the goalposts again. What do you mean by 'old quran'. At first you were babbling about manuscripts now you're talking about old qurans? Make up your mind please. You don't seem to know what you want. I told you already, if you wanna play indiana jones, go right ahead. You dont trust what quran says about itself so what can i do about it? Do what you want.
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well that's natural, 2 copies of variant A are supposed to be the same, or else both would not be called variant A. They'd be called something else.
LOL, so going by your crap DNA theory, Hafs replications SHOULD have errors right? After all, Hafs has been spread throughout the world. So bring forward these discrepencies then...if you can, that is.
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Changing the goalposts again. What do you mean by 'old quran'. At first you were babbling about manuscripts now you're talking about old qurans? Make up your mind please. You don't seem to know what you want. I told you already, if you wanna play indiana jones, go right ahead. You dont trust what quran says about itself so what can i do about it? Do what you want.
I used them interchangeably. I meant the same thing.
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Huh? what war?
please don't divert the topic.THere was no war because there was no problems even if they didnt have paper (historically speaking).
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what are all the old Qurans that are preserved?
You see, the other Sarah want to find some old copy of the Quran which probably says 'i am an old quran, please trust my version' to which she'll automatically jump up and down saying 'yessss, this is the original quran'.
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offtopic
No, its a rhetorical device.
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You see, the other Sarah want to find some old copy of the Quran which probably says 'i am an old quran, please trust my version' to which she'll automatically jump up and down saying 'yessss, this is the original quran'.
ad hominem attack. baseless accusation again.