Hello Folks, Fawzia here! I was a Quranist for 10 months.
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that would be true if you think people don't make mistakes, but they do.
What, so there's no probability of perfect transcription OR do you just discount that probability even though you have no proof of 2 Hafs having any discrepencies. Face it, you don't have this proof so you need to deal with that.
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What, so there's no probability of perfect transcription OR do you just discount that probability even though you have no proof of 2 Hafs having any discrepencies. Face it, you don't have this proof so you need to deal with that.
well that's natural, 2 copies of variant A are supposed to be the same, or else both would not be called variant A. They'd be called something else.
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The warsh variant may be referred to in the hadith, but that is not relevant. You have not answered as to why there are no old Qurans that are purely Hafs.
Changing the goalposts again. What do you mean by 'old quran'. At first you were babbling about manuscripts now you're talking about old qurans? Make up your mind please. You don't seem to know what you want. I told you already, if you wanna play indiana jones, go right ahead. You dont trust what quran says about itself so what can i do about it? Do what you want.
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well that's natural, 2 copies of variant A are supposed to be the same, or else both would not be called variant A. They'd be called something else.
LOL, so going by your crap DNA theory, Hafs replications SHOULD have errors right? After all, Hafs has been spread throughout the world. So bring forward these discrepencies then...if you can, that is.
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Changing the goalposts again. What do you mean by 'old quran'. At first you were babbling about manuscripts now you're talking about old qurans? Make up your mind please. You don't seem to know what you want. I told you already, if you wanna play indiana jones, go right ahead. You dont trust what quran says about itself so what can i do about it? Do what you want.
I used them interchangeably. I meant the same thing.
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Huh? what war?
please don't divert the topic.THere was no war because there was no problems even if they didnt have paper (historically speaking).
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what are all the old Qurans that are preserved?
You see, the other Sarah want to find some old copy of the Quran which probably says 'i am an old quran, please trust my version' to which she'll automatically jump up and down saying 'yessss, this is the original quran'.
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offtopic
No, its a rhetorical device.
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You see, the other Sarah want to find some old copy of the Quran which probably says 'i am an old quran, please trust my version' to which she'll automatically jump up and down saying 'yessss, this is the original quran'.
ad hominem attack. baseless accusation again.
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they all have slight differences, many are much closer to Hafs, while some are closer to Warsh, some differ from both. The division into Hafs and Warsh seems arbitrary
Yeah, so you go play indiana jones with them since to you, God preserves Quran by 'old qurans' (its like 'senior citizens rule' for Quran). You can go decide which 'version' is the right 'version'.
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hardly,
according to your logic, small change= war
how does that work?Muslims are FANATICAL about the Quran. They don't study it but to them, its divine. So IF any problems ever arose concerning the text, there is NO way it would have been simply passed over. There would have been a war which there wasnt. So you do the math.
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Well.. afaik what we have today is known as uthmani script which is hafs, evidences can be found in galleries. A friend of mine went to a exhibition a few months back in London.
Here's a photo
there's evidence of old manuscripts, they're preserved dunno by who.
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image quality isn't good but hope that helps you
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Yeah, so you go play indiana jones with them since to you, God preserves Quran by 'old qurans' (its like 'senior citizens rule' for Quran). You can go decide which 'version' is the right 'version'.
senior citizen rule? wow
a very simple question
why do the old copies differ from each other?
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Well.. afaik what we have today is known as uthmani script which is hafs, evidences can be found in galleries. A friend of mine went to a exhibition a few months back in London.
Thanks Sarah
I see 8th and 9th century written in the picture. Could you please tell me how far they date back, while still being identical to each other? I am curious