All religions are okay?
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John, i'd like to phrase it as 'God and Good'.
Also, while I believe ideologies can be idolatrous, people subscrbing to that ideology may not be. I've met Christians who belong to trinitarian churches who simply don't deal with the whole doctrine or just simply believe in God. So I refrain from judging all peaceful individuals as 'believers' or 'rejectors'.
That is why I said "Believers in the one God"
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They do blaspheme who say "Allah is Christ the son of Mary." But said Christ "O Children of Israel! worship Allah, my Lord and your Lord." Whoever joins other gods with Allah,- Allah will forbid him the garden, and the Fire will be his abode. There will for the wrong-doers be no one to help. (Q 5/73)
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Sorry Christ isn't the partner of Allah but rather they, who or what ever they are following is the partner of Allah for christ is dead and isn't giving them any directions.
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YUSUFALI Verily ye, (unbelievers), and the (false) gods that ye worship besides Allah, are (but) fuel for Hell! to it will ye (surely) come!
PICKTHAL Lo! ye (idolaters) and that which ye worship beside Allah are fuel of hell. Thereunto ye will come.
SHAKIR Surely you and what you worship besides Allah are the firewood of hell; to it you shall come.peace
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Sorry Christ isn't the partner of Allah but rather they, who or what ever they are following is the partner of Allah for christ is dead and isn't giving them any directions.
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There are some "mainstream" Christians that believe Jesus was "God on Earth" but there are many that do not.
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Sorry Christ isn't the partner of Allah but rather they, who or what ever they are following is the partner of Allah for christ is dead and isn't giving them any directions.
I agree that Christ himself isn't the partner but that's not the point here. You claimed that shirk isn't associating partners with God but rather segmenting mankind. This is clearly false. Please see the article Wakas posted.
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Simple is pointing to 30/31-32 to say that 'segmenting people is shirk'. This is incorrect. 30/32 says 'farraqoo DEENAHUM' which means they split their DEEN and become 'shiya' or parties, each party is rejoicing with what they have. In order words, these people take the incomplete teachings of God and are happy with that. This is different from people who take the whole deen (and thus dont farraqoo deenahum) and judge people according to that.
When they split people or rather whom they should oblige simply by labeling them (as the baddies) without them having done nothing wrong is what i meant-is also shirk.
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When they split people or rather whom they should oblige simply by labeling them (as the baddies) without them having done nothing wrong is what i meant-is also shirk.
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Hmm, that's not what it says in 30/31-32. Please correct me if im wrong.
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I agree that Christ himself isn't the partner but that's not the point here. You claimed that shirk isn't associating partners with God but rather segmenting mankind. This is clearly false. Please see the article Wakas posted.
Associating dead people as partners of God - as long as that doesn't lead us going in opposition to the peaceful nature he wants us to have isn't shirk- i think, its when our actions go against the very nature of God we come into the realm of Shirk.
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Hmm, that's not what it says in 30/31-32. Please correct me if im wrong.
You need to see what Deen is ........
Fulfillment of your obligations or something , please see lanes or something.
Ayman i think explained once .
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Associating dead people as partners of God - as long as that doesn't lead us going in opposition to the peaceful nature he wants us to have isn't shirk- i think, its when our actions go against the very nature of God we come into the realm of Shirk.
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The first commandment says (in the bible) "I am the Lord thy God, you shall have no other gods before me". Surly, if you put someone (anyone) on a level with God then you have broken that commandment?
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Associating dead people as partners of God - as long as that doesn't lead us going in opposition to the peaceful nature he wants us to have isn't shirk- i think, its when our actions go against the very nature of God we come into the realm of Shirk.
Disagreed. 16/86 When those who gave partners to Allah will see their "partners", they will say "Our Lord! these are our 'partners,' those whom we used to invoke besides Thee..
Here it's very clear that if you call for other than Allah (and we can debate what 'nad'3uu' min doonika' means too) then whom you call for (they must be dead since they're seeing them for the first time AFTER the hour) will considered 'partners with Allah'.
I think you're not taking the concept in full. Selective reading of the ayaat.
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You need to see what Deen is ........
Fulfillment of your obligations or something , please see lanes or something.
Yeah fine, so spliitng your obligations is fine. Still doesn't mean 'segmenting MANKIND'.
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The first commandment says (in the bible) "I am the Lord thy God, you shall have no other gods before me". Surly, if you put someone (anyone) on a level with God then you have broken that commandment?
Yes , and putting a dead person on a level with God doesn't do anything at all.
But when you obey other then the God what or who ever you are obeying is who you are putting on a level footing wit God.
You are not obeying any body dead you cannot obey them, they cannot lead you astray, so has nothing to do with the dead person.
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Disagreed. 16/86 When those who gave partners to Allah will see their "partners", they will say "Our Lord! these are our 'partners,' those whom we used to invoke besides Thee..
Here it's very clear that if you call for other than Allah (and we can debate what 'nad'3uu' min doonika' means too) then whom you call for (they must be dead since they're seeing them for the first time AFTER the hour) will considered 'partners with Allah'.
I think you're not taking the concept in full. Selective reading of the ayaat.
Yes everybody will be dead that day, but when they called them they where alive, and so both will now burn in the fire.
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Yeah fine, so spliitng your obligations is fine. Still doesn't mean 'segmenting MANKIND'.
Splitting people up who you can and who you won't fulfill your obligations to.........without any bad conduct on their part is shirk.
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Yes everybody will be dead that day, but when they called them they where alive, and so both will now burn in the fire.
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So Jesus will be in the fire? Because ppl DURING HIS TIME called him god and he never corrected them?
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Splitting people up who you can and who you won't fulfill your obligations to.........without any bad conduct on their part is shirk.
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Yeah that would be shirk, correct but that's not the point of 30/31-32, sorry.
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Well that is one of the problems. People DURING his time did not call him god. It was only after a couple of hundred years.
Well i dunno if they did (i dont use history to engage with Quran) but if they did, he'd have corrected them.
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Well that is one of the problems. People DURING his time did not call him god. It was only after a couple of hundred years.
bravo I'll bet it was the work of constantine that corrupted christianity.
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Well that is one of the problems. People DURING his time did not call him god. It was only after a couple of hundred years.
of course people during his time never called him God , its the people after him started teaching people such nonsense........ peace