All religions are okay?
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I agree that Christ himself isn't the partner but that's not the point here. You claimed that shirk isn't associating partners with God but rather segmenting mankind. This is clearly false. Please see the article Wakas posted.
Associating dead people as partners of God - as long as that doesn't lead us going in opposition to the peaceful nature he wants us to have isn't shirk- i think, its when our actions go against the very nature of God we come into the realm of Shirk.
peace
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Hmm, that's not what it says in 30/31-32. Please correct me if im wrong.
You need to see what Deen is ........
Fulfillment of your obligations or something , please see lanes or something.
Ayman i think explained once .
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Associating dead people as partners of God - as long as that doesn't lead us going in opposition to the peaceful nature he wants us to have isn't shirk- i think, its when our actions go against the very nature of God we come into the realm of Shirk.
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The first commandment says (in the bible) "I am the Lord thy God, you shall have no other gods before me". Surly, if you put someone (anyone) on a level with God then you have broken that commandment?
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Associating dead people as partners of God - as long as that doesn't lead us going in opposition to the peaceful nature he wants us to have isn't shirk- i think, its when our actions go against the very nature of God we come into the realm of Shirk.
Disagreed. 16/86 When those who gave partners to Allah will see their "partners", they will say "Our Lord! these are our 'partners,' those whom we used to invoke besides Thee..
Here it's very clear that if you call for other than Allah (and we can debate what 'nad'3uu' min doonika' means too) then whom you call for (they must be dead since they're seeing them for the first time AFTER the hour) will considered 'partners with Allah'.
I think you're not taking the concept in full. Selective reading of the ayaat.
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You need to see what Deen is ........
Fulfillment of your obligations or something , please see lanes or something.
Yeah fine, so spliitng your obligations is fine. Still doesn't mean 'segmenting MANKIND'.
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The first commandment says (in the bible) "I am the Lord thy God, you shall have no other gods before me". Surly, if you put someone (anyone) on a level with God then you have broken that commandment?
Yes , and putting a dead person on a level with God doesn't do anything at all.
But when you obey other then the God what or who ever you are obeying is who you are putting on a level footing wit God.
You are not obeying any body dead you cannot obey them, they cannot lead you astray, so has nothing to do with the dead person.
peace
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Disagreed. 16/86 When those who gave partners to Allah will see their "partners", they will say "Our Lord! these are our 'partners,' those whom we used to invoke besides Thee..
Here it's very clear that if you call for other than Allah (and we can debate what 'nad'3uu' min doonika' means too) then whom you call for (they must be dead since they're seeing them for the first time AFTER the hour) will considered 'partners with Allah'.
I think you're not taking the concept in full. Selective reading of the ayaat.
Yes everybody will be dead that day, but when they called them they where alive, and so both will now burn in the fire.
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Yeah fine, so spliitng your obligations is fine. Still doesn't mean 'segmenting MANKIND'.
Splitting people up who you can and who you won't fulfill your obligations to.........without any bad conduct on their part is shirk.
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Yes everybody will be dead that day, but when they called them they where alive, and so both will now burn in the fire.
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So Jesus will be in the fire? Because ppl DURING HIS TIME called him god and he never corrected them?
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Splitting people up who you can and who you won't fulfill your obligations to.........without any bad conduct on their part is shirk.
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Yeah that would be shirk, correct but that's not the point of 30/31-32, sorry.
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Well that is one of the problems. People DURING his time did not call him god. It was only after a couple of hundred years.
Well i dunno if they did (i dont use history to engage with Quran) but if they did, he'd have corrected them.
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Well that is one of the problems. People DURING his time did not call him god. It was only after a couple of hundred years.
bravo I'll bet it was the work of constantine that corrupted christianity.
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Well that is one of the problems. People DURING his time did not call him god. It was only after a couple of hundred years.
of course people during his time never called him God , its the people after him started teaching people such nonsense........ peace
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Yeah that would be shirk, correct but that's not the point of 30/31-32, sorry.
Abdal you only make others partners of God is when you start obeying their commands- which are against the nature of God.
And no prophet ever would give such an order- i think, so they cannot be partners to God.
So no prophet ever makes a sect but that which is between Goodness and badness.
So they will not burn.
It is others who may say the prophet said so and so and mislead you are the partners with God.
Good hunting. peace
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Partly and the council of Nicea
Is it true that Constantine accepted Christianity on his deathbed?
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Is it true that Constantine accepted Christianity on his deathbed?
That is one story. The other is that he accepted it and made it the official Roman religion. He is credited with the building of the Church of the Holy Sepulchre in Jerusalem and Old Saint Peter's Basilica in Rome
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Peace, Simple!
Umm, the poll got me caught.
Are all and any religion okay so long as ............. ('OK, i'm gonna fill this first! So, what's meant with "okay"? Mmmm, let's ask the author first...'
('...huh?...'
Yes
No
Other
('..."Yes", "No", "Other" to what? wasn't there a condition already? So, am i meant to answer to my own condition? ??? 'Oh, there you go,
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Are all religions okay so long as the people are
- Peaceful,
- Truthful,
- Kind.
hmm
if not why not? and isn't that anti quran?
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That's what you got when you don't pay attention to the first post...
Now, let's get to your terms 1. Peaceful 2. Truthful 3. Kind
I would have to ask what is your definition (i know, boring...) of "Peaceful", "Truthful" (oh, this one is straightforward, leave it), and "Kind".
If "Kind" is defined as those who do "Albirr" in 2177
Not that "Albirr" is you turn your faces toward the east or the west,
but "Albirr" is
those who believe in
God, and
the Last Day, and
the angels, and
the Book, and
the prophets; and
give wealth, in spite of love for it, to
the families, and
the orphans, and
the poors, and
the wayfarers, and
the beggars, and to
free slaves; and
establishes AlSalaat and
pays Alzakaat; and
fulfill their promise when they promise; and
are perseverant (AlSabiriyn) in poverty and hardship and during battle.
Those are the ones who have been true, and it is those who are the Reverends (Almuttaquwn).(Take "Salaat" as their way to contact God, and as for "zakaat"--well, the "known amount", 2.5% is easily bearable.)
Then "Yes".
That, or the definition of Ihsan or those of "AlmuHsiniyn" throughout the Book.
Such as, they would quickly repent to their God if they did wrong.
Saying the best of words to their parents.
Taking the best of words to decide on.On the other hand, one could easily claim "Oh she's a kind person--she gave me cookies this morning!"
(OK, that would still be part right if you are of her family, or you are an orphan, or you are a poor, or you are... ah--just read 2177 yourself)So that's why i say it entirely depends on the definition of your terms. Definitions or descriptions of "Kindness" in the Book are by far the best ones i know. Elegant, comprehensive, actionable and testing at once. I would gladly refer to 2177 as 'the perfect antithesis to all the useless hypocritical theories on Kindness'.
If you see someone that prefers to dwell in any activity so obsessively that he thought it is more important than the actions of 2177, then... uh, just don't be like him. (I'm running out of words and must have breakfast soon)
Simple, Peace!
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That is one story. The other is that he accepted it and made it the official Roman religion. He is credited with the building of the Church of the Holy Sepulchre in Jerusalem and Old Saint Peter's Basilica in Rome
I like old churches. They are a lot different.