All religions are okay?
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Disagreed. 16/86 When those who gave partners to Allah will see their "partners", they will say "Our Lord! these are our 'partners,' those whom we used to invoke besides Thee..
Here it's very clear that if you call for other than Allah (and we can debate what 'nad'3uu' min doonika' means too) then whom you call for (they must be dead since they're seeing them for the first time AFTER the hour) will considered 'partners with Allah'.
I think you're not taking the concept in full. Selective reading of the ayaat.
Yes everybody will be dead that day, but when they called them they where alive, and so both will now burn in the fire.
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Yeah fine, so spliitng your obligations is fine. Still doesn't mean 'segmenting MANKIND'.
Splitting people up who you can and who you won't fulfill your obligations to.........without any bad conduct on their part is shirk.
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Yes everybody will be dead that day, but when they called them they where alive, and so both will now burn in the fire.
peace
So Jesus will be in the fire? Because ppl DURING HIS TIME called him god and he never corrected them?
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Splitting people up who you can and who you won't fulfill your obligations to.........without any bad conduct on their part is shirk.
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Yeah that would be shirk, correct but that's not the point of 30/31-32, sorry.
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Well that is one of the problems. People DURING his time did not call him god. It was only after a couple of hundred years.
Well i dunno if they did (i dont use history to engage with Quran) but if they did, he'd have corrected them.
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Well that is one of the problems. People DURING his time did not call him god. It was only after a couple of hundred years.
bravo I'll bet it was the work of constantine that corrupted christianity.
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Well that is one of the problems. People DURING his time did not call him god. It was only after a couple of hundred years.
of course people during his time never called him God , its the people after him started teaching people such nonsense........ peace
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Yeah that would be shirk, correct but that's not the point of 30/31-32, sorry.
Abdal you only make others partners of God is when you start obeying their commands- which are against the nature of God.
And no prophet ever would give such an order- i think, so they cannot be partners to God.
So no prophet ever makes a sect but that which is between Goodness and badness.
So they will not burn.
It is others who may say the prophet said so and so and mislead you are the partners with God.
Good hunting. peace
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Partly and the council of Nicea
Is it true that Constantine accepted Christianity on his deathbed?
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Is it true that Constantine accepted Christianity on his deathbed?
That is one story. The other is that he accepted it and made it the official Roman religion. He is credited with the building of the Church of the Holy Sepulchre in Jerusalem and Old Saint Peter's Basilica in Rome
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Peace, Simple!
Umm, the poll got me caught.
Are all and any religion okay so long as ............. ('OK, i'm gonna fill this first! So, what's meant with "okay"? Mmmm, let's ask the author first...'
('...huh?...'
Yes
No
Other
('..."Yes", "No", "Other" to what? wasn't there a condition already? So, am i meant to answer to my own condition? ??? 'Oh, there you go,
peace
Are all religions okay so long as the people are
- Peaceful,
- Truthful,
- Kind.
hmm
if not why not? and isn't that anti quran?
peace
That's what you got when you don't pay attention to the first post...
Now, let's get to your terms 1. Peaceful 2. Truthful 3. Kind
I would have to ask what is your definition (i know, boring...) of "Peaceful", "Truthful" (oh, this one is straightforward, leave it), and "Kind".
If "Kind" is defined as those who do "Albirr" in 2177
Not that "Albirr" is you turn your faces toward the east or the west,
but "Albirr" is
those who believe in
God, and
the Last Day, and
the angels, and
the Book, and
the prophets; and
give wealth, in spite of love for it, to
the families, and
the orphans, and
the poors, and
the wayfarers, and
the beggars, and to
free slaves; and
establishes AlSalaat and
pays Alzakaat; and
fulfill their promise when they promise; and
are perseverant (AlSabiriyn) in poverty and hardship and during battle.
Those are the ones who have been true, and it is those who are the Reverends (Almuttaquwn).(Take "Salaat" as their way to contact God, and as for "zakaat"--well, the "known amount", 2.5% is easily bearable.)
Then "Yes".
That, or the definition of Ihsan or those of "AlmuHsiniyn" throughout the Book.
Such as, they would quickly repent to their God if they did wrong.
Saying the best of words to their parents.
Taking the best of words to decide on.On the other hand, one could easily claim "Oh she's a kind person--she gave me cookies this morning!"
(OK, that would still be part right if you are of her family, or you are an orphan, or you are a poor, or you are... ah--just read 2177 yourself)So that's why i say it entirely depends on the definition of your terms. Definitions or descriptions of "Kindness" in the Book are by far the best ones i know. Elegant, comprehensive, actionable and testing at once. I would gladly refer to 2177 as 'the perfect antithesis to all the useless hypocritical theories on Kindness'.
If you see someone that prefers to dwell in any activity so obsessively that he thought it is more important than the actions of 2177, then... uh, just don't be like him. (I'm running out of words and must have breakfast soon)
Simple, Peace!
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That is one story. The other is that he accepted it and made it the official Roman religion. He is credited with the building of the Church of the Holy Sepulchre in Jerusalem and Old Saint Peter's Basilica in Rome
I like old churches. They are a lot different.
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Ok simple, let me ask you this way
When your religion says 'God has a son', can that religion still be 'ok'?
And do you think maybe this time you can provide some evidence?
Abdal you only make others partners of God is when you start obeying their commands- which are against the nature of God.
And no prophet ever would give such an order- i think, so they cannot be partners to God.
So no prophet ever makes a sect but that which is between Goodness and badness.
So they will not burn.
It is others who may say the prophet said so and so and mislead you are the partners with God.
Good hunting. peace
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I like old churches. They are a lot different.
Agreed. For one, they're well aged. And naturally too.
Seriously, that's one quality we can't have in new architecture. Unless maybe they're built from stones, and still we have to wait for another thousand and eight hundred years...
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Peace, Simple!
Umm, the poll got me caught.
Are all and any religion okay so long as ............. ('OK, i'm gonna fill this first! So, what's meant with "okay"? Mmmm, let's ask the author first...'
('...huh?...'
Yes
No
Other
('..."Yes", "No", "Other" to what? wasn't there a condition already? So, am i meant to answer to my own condition? ??? 'Oh, there you go,That's what you got when you don't pay attention to the first post...
Now, let's get to your terms 1. Peaceful 2. Truthful 3. Kind
I would have to ask what is your definition (i know, boring...) of "Peaceful", "Truthful" (oh, this one is straightforward, leave it), and "Kind".
If "Kind" is defined as those who do "Albirr" in 2177
Not that "Albirr" is you turn your faces toward the east or the west,
but "Albirr" is
those who believe in
God, and
the Last Day, and
the angels, and
the Book, and
the prophets; and
give wealth, in spite of love for it, to
the families, and
the orphans, and
the poors, and
the wayfarers, and
the beggars, and to
free slaves; and
establishes AlSalaat and
pays Alzakaat; and
fulfill their promise when they promise; and
are perseverant (AlSabiriyn) in poverty and hardship and during battle.
Those are the ones who have been true, and it is those who are the Reverends (Almuttaquwn).(Take "Salaat" as their way to contact God, and as for "zakaat"--well, the "known amount", 2.5% is easily bearable.)
Then "Yes".
That, or the definition of Ihsan or those of "AlmuHsiniyn" throughout the Book.
Such as, they would quickly repent to their God if they did wrong.
Saying the best of words to their parents.
Taking the best of words to decide on.On the other hand, one could easily claim "Oh she's a kind person--she gave me cookies this morning!"
(OK, that would still be part right if you are of her family, or you are an orphan, or you are a poor, or you are... ah--just read 2177 yourself)So that's why i say it entirely depends on the definition of your terms. Definitions or descriptions of "Kindness" in the Book are by far the best ones i know. Elegant, comprehensive, actionable and testing at once. I would gladly refer to 2177 as 'the perfect antithesis to all the useless hypocritical theories on Kindness'.
If you see someone that prefers to dwell in any activity so obsessively that he thought it is more important than the actions of 2177, then... uh, just don't be like him. (I'm running out of words and must have breakfast soon)
Simple, Peace!
Different sects define these things differently but all are okay so long as they don't lose sight of the foundation envisaged which is the same for all.
- Peaceful,
- Truthful,
- Kind.
of course the way you have defined the ayah above is your religion peace
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Ok simple, let me ask you this way
When your religion says 'God has a son', can that religion still be 'ok'?
And do you think maybe this time you can provide some evidence?
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YUSUFALI Those who believe (in the Qur'an), and those who follow the Jewish (scriptures), and the Christians and the Sabians,- any who believe in Allah and the Last Day, and work righteousness, shall have their reward with their Lord; on them shall be no fear, nor shall they grieve.Although the last day should be something else-but we will leave this as it stands -X
peace
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3 things
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Why do you leave the word 'nasara' as Christians? Why not analyse it and perhaps you won't think it's christians either?
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What makes you think this means ALL nasara? Have a look at 9/30
The Jews call 'Uzair a son of Allah, and the Christians call Christ the son of Allah. That is a saying from their mouth; (in this) they but imitate what the unbelievers of old used to say. Allah's curse be on them how they are deluded away from the Truth
Does this sound people who have no 'fear' nor 'grief' ?
- On the question God's having a 'son'. Have a look at this
They say "(Allah) Most Gracious has begotten a son!"
Indeed ye have put forth a thing most monstrous!
At it the skies are ready to burst, the earth to split asunder, and the mountains to fall down in utter ruin,
That they should invoke a son for (Allah) Most Gracious
For it is not consonant with the majesty of (Allah) Most Gracious that He should beget a son.So I really cannot understand how you're saying it's ONLY about love, peace, kindness or whatever. I'm sure God won't judge someone unless he consciously rejects the one God but ideologies which preach that God has a 'son' is definitely kufr and not 'ok'. I await your evidence to the contrary.
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Different sects define these things differently but all are okay so long as they don't lose sight of the foundation envisaged which is the same for all.
- Peaceful,
- Truthful,
- Kind.
of course the way you have defined the ayah above is your religion peace
Yeah, Thanks God that is my way For you your way, and for us, ours.
Now, give us your definition of "Peaceful" and "Kind", so we may discuss about it.
And "Truthful" as well, since apparently we might have very different idea about it.
And also abdalquran made a critical point. What's your take on it?
In addition, can one stay being Peaceful, Truthful and Kind, all throughout his life following such system of lies?