Jews not following Torah are like donkeys with Books
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Fawzia, I tell you what. I'll do this for you. I will address 62/5 and any other 'anti-jewish hate speech' in Quran on two conditions
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that you give your oath as a decent human being to answer all my inquires regarding your initial argument about the Torah.
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that you give your oath as a decent human being to answer all my counter questions about the 'jews in the quran'.
Yes or no?
upon your agreement, we will proceed.
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It is all right if it is the truth. If it is not the truth, it is not. Whatever the truth is.
Why don't you bash the rest? Go and bash the Jews and Christians in their sites and forums.
Is it the truth Rami?
Does not upholding the Taurat make Jews donkeys with books, if they lead, decent law abiding lives?
I don't bash Jews & Christians coz I wasn't born to parents adhering to that faith, I was born to Muslim parents & raised Muslim.
There are plenty of those born Jewish & Muslim bashing their religions, as a never been Jew\Christian, I don't need to add my voice to that.
Donkeys with books is an acquired title. It is only for the people who were given the Torah but didn't follow it. But the followers of the Torah are actually praised!!
And whats wrong in not following if the people lead decent, law abiding lives? I know Jews who have bacon, they have great jobs, families, contribute to charity etc, are they "donkeys wth books?"
And who is Allah &\or Muhammad to decide how Jews should lead their lives? Why not leave their lives to them?
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Is it the truth Rami?
Does not upholding the Taurat make Jews donkeys with books, if they lead, decent law abiding lives?
I don't bash Jews & Christians coz I wasn't born to parents adhering to that faith, I was born to Muslim parents & raised Muslim.
There are plenty of those born Jewish & Muslim bashing their religions, as a never been Jew\Christian, I don't need to add my voice to that.
And whats wrong in not following if the people lead decent, law abiding lives? I know Jews who have bacon, they have great jobs, families, contribute to charity etc, are they "donkeys wth books?"
And who is Allah &\or Muhammad to decide how Jews should lead their lives? Why not leave their lives to them?
The problem is that you don't believe in something called God anyway. So your worldview is different.
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Fawzia, I tell you what. I'll do this for you. I will address 62/5 and any other 'anti-jewish hate speech' in Quran on two conditions
Again, if your book is so good & true, why this massive insecurity? Am I Satan's spawn that Allah has ordered you to fight?
Why do you need to keep characterizing me as "racist, smeegol....." to defend your Allah?
Can't you defend him without all that?
If Allah & Quran are all that good, you don't need to be so harassed over me, I'm not supposed to be perfect, Allah is.
So defend perfect Allah, is it racist hate speech to call Jews donkeys with books or not?
Counter attacking me makes it seem that Allah is incapable of being defended on his own merits.
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Bernard Madoff was a donkey carriing books and all the jewish who followed him were donkeys too. Don't you think?
So YES when someone has a book with the LIGHT and still persist in corrupting the world is a DONKEY. what is the problem with that, because your boyfriend is jewish doesn't mean he is a donkey as long as he doesn't act as Madoff.
regards
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The problem is that you don't believe in something called God anyway. So your worldview is different.
Quite right, I don't. So I don't accept hate speech, sexism, homophobia or discrimination based on "God\s." However, I do believe that such hate speech is wrong, & I won't judge God's hate speech on a different standard compared to anyone else's.
Thus, if an atheist is called a donkey with books by an Evangelist simply for not believing in God, I won't accept such hate speech. Likewise I won't accept Allah's characterization of decent Jews as "donkeys with books."
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ROFL, so even with my agreeing to answer you on the condition that you answer my questions regarding your OWN arguments, you won't do it?
Who's being insecure? I don't mind answering ANY , i repeat ANY , points you have about 'jews in the quran and hate speech' issue. Im just waitng for your word as a decent human being that you will stick around and answer all my counter-queries.
Do you think it's fair for you to level charges yet run away to the next topic when challenged? I know you islamophobes need to somehow cling to your delusions to justify your personal vendetta against islam for your personal problems but go do it in the privacy of your own toilet. If you wanna use this forum then you need to be coherent, credible and informed.....or be like you.
So...I will put my offer forward again
I will address 62/5 and any other 'anti-jewish hate speech' in Quran on two conditions
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that you give your oath as a decent human being to answer all my inquires regarding your initial argument about the Torah.
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that you give your oath as a decent human being to answer all my counter questions about the 'jews in the quran'.
So come on Fawzia, we're dealing with YOUR issues here. Don't be a chicken, come forward and deal with your own queries. I answer your queries, you answer mine.
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Again, if your book is so good & true, why this massive insecurity? Am I Satan's spawn that Allah has ordered you to fight?
Why do you need to keep characterizing me as "racist, smeegol....." to defend your Allah?
Can't you defend him without all that?
If Allah & Quran are all that good, you don't need to be so harassed over me, I'm not supposed to be perfect, Allah is.
So defend perfect Allah, is it racist hate speech to call Jews donkeys with books or not?
Counter attacking me makes it seem that Allah is incapable of being defended on his own merits.
But wait a minute, is Allah real?? Do you believe in the god of Israel??
If not, you questions are pointless. If Allah is real and He is the god of Israel speaking to Mohammed, the orphaned Israelite prophet from the Bani-HaShem clan, then yes the God of Israel is right, the Jews who don't follow the Torah are indeed LIKE donkeys with books.
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Quite right, I don't. So I don't accept hate speech, sexism, homophobia or discrimination based on "God\s." However, I do believe that such hate speech is wrong, & I won't judge God's hate speech on a different standard compared to anyone else's.
Thus, if an atheist is called a donkey with books by an Evangelist simply for not believing in God, I won't accept such hate speech. Likewise I won't accept Allah's characterization of decent Jews as "donkeys with books."
Then we leave you in peace.
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Bernard Madoff was a donkey carriing books and all the jewish who followed him were donkeys too. Don't you think?
So YES when someone has a book with the LIGHT and still persist in corrupting the world is a DONKEY. what is the problem with that, because your boyfriend is jewish doesn't mean he is a donkey as long as he doesn't act as Madoff.
regards
Bernard Madoff was a scum, a criminal. He didn't break Taurat laws, he also broke the nation's laws.
However, other Jews aren't like that.
The Quran doesn't speak of Jews who become theives, simply Jews who disobey the Taurat.
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"The likeness of those who are entrusted with the Law of Moses, yet apply it not, is as the likeness of the ass carrying books. Wretched is the likeness of folk who deny the revelations of Allah. And Allah guideth not wrongdoing folk."
I know bacon eating atheist Jews, there's no reason to characterize them as donkeys with books! Thats' un neccessary & offensive hate speech.
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Bernard Madoff was a scum, a criminal. He didn't break Taurat laws, he also broke the nation's laws.
However, other Jews aren't like that.
The Quran doesn't speak of Jews who become theives, simply Jews who disobey the Taurat.
Here
"The likeness of those who are entrusted with the Law of Moses, yet apply it not, is as the likeness of the ass carrying books. Wretched is the likeness of folk who deny the revelations of Allah. And Allah guideth not wrongdoing folk."
I know bacon eating atheist Jews, there's no reason to characterize them as donkeys with books! Thats' un neccessary & offensive hate speech.
Bacon, come on baby. It is USURY!!!
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ROFL, so even with my agreeing to answer you on the condition that you answer my questions regarding your OWN arguments, you won't do it?
Who's being insecure? I don't mind answering ANY , i repeat ANY , points you have about 'jews in the quran and hate speech' issue. Im just waitng for your word as a decent human being that you will stick around and answer all my counter-queries.
Do you think it's fair for you to level charges yet run away to the next topic when challenged? I know you islamophobes need to somehow cling to your delusions to justify your personal vendetta against islam for your personal problems but go do it in the privacy of your own toilet. If you wanna use this forum then you need to be coherent, credible and informed.....or be like you.
So come on Fawzia, we're dealing with YOUR issues here. Don't be a chicken, come forward and deal with your own queries. I answer your queries, you answer mine.
Ooooh! Hate speech from your side keeps increasing! bravo
Chicjen, Islamophobe,bringing personal vendetta out of the toilet etc!
But the Quran is a perfect book right?
So why the need to malign every critique & apostate?
Surely its defensible?
So defend calling Jews, "Donkeys with books." I'll answer after you defend.
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Bernard Madoff was a scum, a criminal. He didn't break Taurat laws, he also broke the nation's laws.
However, other Jews aren't like that.
The Quran doesn't speak of Jews who become theives, simply Jews who disobey the Taurat.
Here
"The likeness of those who are entrusted with the Law of Moses, yet apply it not, is as the likeness of the ass carrying books. Wretched is the likeness of folk who deny the revelations of Allah. And Allah guideth not wrongdoing folk."
I know bacon eating atheist Jews, there's no reason to characterize them as donkeys with books! Thats' un neccessary & offensive hate speech.
you are wrong, breaking the rules means any rules of the Torah, theft is one of them, there are many others.
What about Einstein who creates the nuclear bomb.
What about Sharon and all the jewish persecuting people in Israel, is this not breaking the rules of God?
What about the Jewish lobbies in US who force US to attack IRAQ? is this not breaking the rules of God?
etc etc etcYes they are DONKEYS because on the DOJ, they should have just to follow their book to be guided and not offend and corrupt the world.
Peace
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But wait a minute, is Allah real?? Do you believe in the god of Israel??
If not, you questions are pointless. If Allah is real and He is the god of Israel speaking to Mohammed, the orphaned Israelite prophet from the Bani-HaShem clan, then yes the God of Israel is right, the Jews who don't follow the Torah are indeed LIKE donkeys with books.Of course they aren't pointless even if Allah &\or Yahweh are unreal, even if they're unreal they effect billions of lives.
Uttering hate speech against millions is wrong. Even if Allah isn't real & Muhammad is an imposter, by claiming to be a Prophet & calling Jews "donkeys with books," he's insulting millions.
Is it right to declare oneself a Prophet & insult millions?
Tomorrow a person can claim to be the next Jewish Prophet & insult Muslims as donkeys & asses & his followers will repeat calling them such names, would it be right?
If hate speech in the name of humans aren't right, why should Allah be free from this requirement of abstaining from hate speech?
Bacon, come on baby. It is USURY!!!
Allah isn't only speaking of usury here,He's referring to all non Taurat observing Jews, so nice Jews eating bacon are insulted as well.
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you are wrong, breaking the rules means any rules of the Torah, theft is one of them, there are many others.
What about Einstein who creates the nuclear bomb.
What about Sharon and all the jewish persecuting people in Israel, is this not breaking the rules of God?
What about the Jewish lobbies in US who force US to attack IRAQ? is this not breaking the rules of God?
etc etc etcYes they are DONKEYS because on the DOJ, they should have just to follow their book to be guided and not offend and corrupt the world.
Peace
Don't twist & turn Allah's words please. I have my own opinions of Israel which I prefer not to discuss now, but that isn't what Allah says at all.
Allah &\or Yahweh\Muhammad weren't mentioning theft by name or crimes you mentioned by name, they were referring to all Taurat breaking behavior!Any behavior which contravenes Taurat & Jews become donkeys with books!
He says that Jews who don't follow the Taurat are like donkeys with books. As simple as that. So any bacon eating atheist Jew who has not the slightest interest in Israel or manufacturing atom bombs is called a "donkey with books" as well. So is any Jewish woman living in with her boyfriend, who leads an otherwise extremely moral life.
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Don't twist & turn Allah's words please. I have my own opinions of Israel which I prefer not to discuss now, but that isn't what Allah says at all.
Allah &\or Yahweh\Muhammad weren't mentioning theft by name or crimes you mentioned by name, they were referring to all Taurat breaking behavior!Any behavior which contravenes Taurat & Jews become donkeys with books!
He says that Jews who don't follow the Taurat are like donkeys with books. As simple as that. So any bacon eating atheist Jew who has not the slightest interest in Israel or manufacturing atom bombs is called a "donkey with books" as well. So is any Jewish woman living in with her boyfriend, who leads an otherwise extremely moral life.
That would mean she/he is not anymore jewish!!!!!! Just atheist which is a free choice.
Who is denounced here is jewish pretending following the Torah without applying it. Do you get it or no?
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That would mean she/he is not anymore jewish!!!!!! Just atheist which is a free choice.
Who is denounced here is jewish pretending following the Torah without applying it. Do you get it or no?
And who decided to throw her out of Judaism? You Herbman? Reform, Reconstructionist, Humanist Jews etc do have members who indulge in pre marital sex or have bacon. They remain Jewish. I personally know many such people, most are decent, law abiding folks.
Its not your prerogative to decide who's Jewish & who's not.
And where did Allah say "pretending to follow but not applying it?"
This is what Allah says
The example of those who were given the Torah, but then failed to uphold it, is like the donkey that is carrying a cargo of books. Miserable indeed is the example of the people who denied the revelations of God. And God does not guide the wicked people.
Thus, Allah says that they were given the laws, yet didn't uphold them.
He says nothing whatsoever about pretending or openly rejecting.
Thus Jewesses prohibited from consuming bacon but still indulging in bacon sandwiches it are like "donkeys with books." Is it right to use such hate speech against such folk, if they're decent, law abiding?
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Dear Fawzia, I have been reading your posts with keen interest. I personally feel the deep rooted pain in these, unlike many others. I do not know, what you really intend to achieve by these posts. But, I feel it may accomplish one goal. Wake some of, more than one billion sleepy people up and may either some of them come back to real AlKitab to help themselves as well others by understanding it; or else all of thhem leave "THE CURRENT MAHJOOR AlKitab" for good. Either, way it would be good for humanity.
Badar
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My boyfriend is a Reconstructionist Jew, identifies himself as a Jew, but doesn't believe in God\s, his sister who also identifies herself as Jewish, has a Japanese American Buddhist boyfriend,
Brother enjoys the company of sister with her boyfriend while having his own girlfriend by his side. Is this Reconstructionist "a movement in the United States, begun in the 1920s, emphasizing the idea that Judaism is a worldwide religious civilization and advocating continuous adaptation to contemporary conditions"
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Ooooh! Hate speech from your side keeps increasing! bravo
Chicjen, Islamophobe,bringing personal vendetta out of the toilet etc!
Lets not forget 'racist', that's the jewel in the crown. A racist against her own people (and I don't mean Iranians either )
But the Quran is a perfect book right?
So why the need to malign every critique & apostate?
You gotta quit that delusion, pal. You're not a critic, you're a hater. Have you not looked at your anti-Muhammad rants on this thread. I got you to spill EVERYTHING thanks to your personal vendetta. Well done.
Surely its defensible?
So defend calling Jews, "Donkeys with books." I'll answer after you defend.
Aha, you will eh. We shall we see. Please see my next post.