Has anyone here read the bible?

Ahmad_Bilal

I have, in various translations and interpretations. Plus, I read the Jewish Tanakh, which, in my opinion, gives a much better understanding of the text, and without all the mysterious (alleged) references to Jesus...

I have currently read this and it puzzles me

Genesis {179} And God said unto Abraham, Thou shalt keep my
covenant therefore, thou, and thy seed after thee in their
generations. {1710} This my covenant, which ye shall
keep, between me and you and thy seed after thee; Every
man child among you shall be circumcised. {1711} And ye
shall circumcise the flesh of your foreskin; and it shall be a
token of the covenant betwixt me and you.

Who is this command for? I ask because christians do not perform circumcision.

That passage is for all the descendants of Abraham, beginning with Ishmael and Isaac. The concept of religious circumcision was rejected by the Christians because most of the Christian converts were gentiles, not descendants of Abraham. Most traditional Muslims today believe in the Biblical concept of circumcision, since they view themselves as sons of Abraham; circumcision is a command in the ahadiyth and sunna...

Cushan

Yup. Crawled through it in the original language. Looked at parts of the septuagint and targum. And have read numerous commentaries on it. Jewish, Christian and secular. I understand why people here are hostile to it, but it's not a bad book of ancient theology. You just have to lay polemic interest aside and stop looking for 'errors' (dissonant points between the Bible and Quran).

I'm talking about the 'Old Testament'. I've only read the Christian Bible in translation. It's not as good.

hope4

I have, in various translations and interpretations. Plus, I read the Jewish Tanakh, which, in my opinion, gives a much better understanding of the text, and without all the mysterious (alleged) references to Jesus...

That passage is for all the descendants of Abraham, beginning with Ishmael and Isaac. The concept of religious circumcision was rejected by the Christians because most of the Christian converts were gentiles, not descendants of Abraham. Most traditional Muslims today believe in the Biblical concept of circumcision, since they view themselves as sons of Abraham; circumcision is a command in the ahadiyth and sunna...

Selam Ahmad Bilal

Thank you for that. One thing puzzles me still though, I can understand christians did not see themselves as descendants of Abraham but do they also not believe they follow the same religion as Abraham?
I am sorry if it may seem that I am trying to find faults, but this is not my intention but trying to understand what is written and peoples thoughts.

Peace

Rev_John

Selam Ahmad Bilal

Thank you for that. One thing puzzles me still though, I can understand christians did not see themselves as descendants of Abraham but do they also not believe they follow the same religion as Abraham?
I am sorry if it may seem that I am trying to find faults, but this is not my intention but trying to understand what is written and peoples thoughts.

Peace

Well, yes and no. Yes they believe they are following the same religion as Abraham but with the changes made by Jesus and, even more so, by Paul. There is no restriction on the food they can eat, no compulsory circumcision, no set amount of prayers per day, etc

hope4

Well, yes and no. Yes they believe they are following the same religion as Abraham but with the changes made by Jesus and, even more so, by Paul. There is no restriction on the food they can eat, no compulsory circumcision, no set amount of prayers per day, etc

Peace Rev.John

I think I am beggining to understand. It would however, seem that the old testament is a collection of stories/commandments on how people followed religion before jesus. Am I on the right track or far from it ;D

Peace

Rev_John

Peace Rev.John

I think I am beggining to understand. It would however, seem that the old testament is a collection of stories/commandments on how people followed religion before jesus. Am I on the right track or far from it ;D

Peace

Sort of, the OT is (mainly) the Jewish bible, then (according to Christians) came Jesus, the NT is basically the story of Jesus and some letters Paul wrote to the churches. It was mainly Paul that changed and separated the Christian church from Judaism, Jesus kept the Jewish laws (although this is disputed by some historians).

hope4

Sort of, the OT is (mainly) the Jewish bible, then (according to Christians) came Jesus, the NT is basically the story of Jesus and some letters Paul wrote to the churches. It was mainly Paul that changed and separated the Christian church from Judaism, Jesus kept the Jewish laws (although this is disputed by some historians).

Can Paul be concidered what Bukhari is concidered to muslims then ;D

unknownuser

Peace all --

Yes read the Bible in my youth and perused a bit few days ago; thought this time-line as strange...

Genesis 12
4 ?Abram is a son of five and seventy years in his going out from Charan.

10 And there is a famine in the land, and Abram goeth down towards Egypt to sojourn there, for the famine is grievous in the land; 11 and it cometh to pass as he hath drawn near to enter Egypt, that he saith unto Sarai his wife, 'Lo, I pray thee, I have known that thou art a woman of beautiful appearance; 12 and it hath come to pass that the Egyptians see thee, and they have said, 'This is his wife,' and they have slain me, and thee they keep alive 13 say, I pray thee, thou art my sister, so that it is well with me because of thee, and my soul hath lived for thy sake.' 14 And it cometh to pass, at the entering of Abram into Egypt, that the Egyptians see the woman that she is exceeding fair; 15 and princes of Pharaoh see her, and praise her unto Pharaoh, and the woman is taken to Pharaoh's house; 16 and to Abram he hath done good because of her, and he hath sheep and oxen, and he-asses, and men-servants, and handmaids, and she-asses, and camels.

Genesis 16
16 and Abram is a son of eighty and six years in Hagar's bearing Ishmael to Abram.

Genesis 17
17 And Abraham falleth upon his face, and laugheth, and saith in his heart, 'To the son of an hundred years is one born? or doth Sarah -- daughter of ninety years -- bear?'

Genesis 18
13 and Sarah laugheth in her heart, saying, 'After I have waxed old I have had pleasure! -- my lord also is old!'

Genesis 20
1 And Abraham journeyeth from thence toward the land of the south, and dwelleth between Kadesh and Shur, and sojourneth in Gerar; 2 and Abraham saith concerning Sarah his wife, 'She is my sister;' and Abimelech king of Gerar sendeth and taketh Sarah.

Genesis 21
5 And Abraham is a son of a hundred years in Isaac his son being born to him, 6 and Sarah saith, 'God hath made laughter for me; every one who is hearing laugheth for me.' 7 She saith also, 'Who hath said to Abraham, Sarah hath suckled sons, that I have born a son for his old age?'

Note ten year difference, 86-10 or at age 76 the Egyptians thought her attractive.

Then at age 90 apparently still attractive yet at the same time considered herself old.

TheNabi

I know plenty of women who are hot but think they are old and they are not even in their 40s.

Joe

hope4

I know plenty of women who are hot but think they are old and they are not even in their 40s.

Joe

Give them a fan too cool down ;D

Rev_John

Can Paul be concidered what Bukhari is concidered to muslims then ;D

I'm not sure because I don't know how Bukhari is considered

unknownuser

I know plenty of women who are hot but think they are old and they are not even in their 40s.

Joe

if by "hot" you mean "beautiful face" then sure.

hope4

I'm not sure because I don't know how Bukhari is considered

Well Bukhari is considered as a hero to sunni sect I should imagine, but opposite to people who follow the Quran Alone. He was responsible for the hadith books (collection of hearsay) which are the practising manual for majority of muslims. I don't know how Paul is considered by christians but I would imagine in a simular way.

peace

unknownuser

I'm not sure because I don't know how Bukhari is considered

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