Has anyone here read the bible?
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Well, yes and no. Yes they believe they are following the same religion as Abraham but with the changes made by Jesus and, even more so, by Paul. There is no restriction on the food they can eat, no compulsory circumcision, no set amount of prayers per day, etc
Peace Rev.John
I think I am beggining to understand. It would however, seem that the old testament is a collection of stories/commandments on how people followed religion before jesus. Am I on the right track or far from it ;D
Peace
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Peace Rev.John
I think I am beggining to understand. It would however, seem that the old testament is a collection of stories/commandments on how people followed religion before jesus. Am I on the right track or far from it ;D
Peace
Sort of, the OT is (mainly) the Jewish bible, then (according to Christians) came Jesus, the NT is basically the story of Jesus and some letters Paul wrote to the churches. It was mainly Paul that changed and separated the Christian church from Judaism, Jesus kept the Jewish laws (although this is disputed by some historians).
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Sort of, the OT is (mainly) the Jewish bible, then (according to Christians) came Jesus, the NT is basically the story of Jesus and some letters Paul wrote to the churches. It was mainly Paul that changed and separated the Christian church from Judaism, Jesus kept the Jewish laws (although this is disputed by some historians).
Can Paul be concidered what Bukhari is concidered to muslims then ;D
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Peace all --
Yes read the Bible in my youth and perused a bit few days ago; thought this time-line as strange...
Genesis 12
4 ?Abram is a son of five and seventy years in his going out from Charan.10 And there is a famine in the land, and Abram goeth down towards Egypt to sojourn there, for the famine is grievous in the land; 11 and it cometh to pass as he hath drawn near to enter Egypt, that he saith unto Sarai his wife, 'Lo, I pray thee, I have known that thou art a woman of beautiful appearance; 12 and it hath come to pass that the Egyptians see thee, and they have said, 'This is his wife,' and they have slain me, and thee they keep alive 13 say, I pray thee, thou art my sister, so that it is well with me because of thee, and my soul hath lived for thy sake.' 14 And it cometh to pass, at the entering of Abram into Egypt, that the Egyptians see the woman that she is exceeding fair; 15 and princes of Pharaoh see her, and praise her unto Pharaoh, and the woman is taken to Pharaoh's house; 16 and to Abram he hath done good because of her, and he hath sheep and oxen, and he-asses, and men-servants, and handmaids, and she-asses, and camels.
Genesis 16
16 and Abram is a son of eighty and six years in Hagar's bearing Ishmael to Abram.Genesis 17
17 And Abraham falleth upon his face, and laugheth, and saith in his heart, 'To the son of an hundred years is one born? or doth Sarah -- daughter of ninety years -- bear?'Genesis 18
13 and Sarah laugheth in her heart, saying, 'After I have waxed old I have had pleasure! -- my lord also is old!'Genesis 20
1 And Abraham journeyeth from thence toward the land of the south, and dwelleth between Kadesh and Shur, and sojourneth in Gerar; 2 and Abraham saith concerning Sarah his wife, 'She is my sister;' and Abimelech king of Gerar sendeth and taketh Sarah.Genesis 21
5 And Abraham is a son of a hundred years in Isaac his son being born to him, 6 and Sarah saith, 'God hath made laughter for me; every one who is hearing laugheth for me.' 7 She saith also, 'Who hath said to Abraham, Sarah hath suckled sons, that I have born a son for his old age?'Note ten year difference, 86-10 or at age 76 the Egyptians thought her attractive.
Then at age 90 apparently still attractive yet at the same time considered herself old.
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I know plenty of women who are hot but think they are old and they are not even in their 40s.
Joe
if by "hot" you mean "beautiful face" then sure.
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I'm not sure because I don't know how Bukhari is considered
Well Bukhari is considered as a hero to sunni sect I should imagine, but opposite to people who follow the Quran Alone. He was responsible for the hadith books (collection of hearsay) which are the practising manual for majority of muslims. I don't know how Paul is considered by christians but I would imagine in a simular way.
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I'm not sure because I don't know how Bukhari is considered
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I'm not sure because I don't know how Bukhari is considered
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Well Bukhari is considered as a hero to sunni sect I should imagine, but opposite to people who follow the Quran Alone. He was responsible for the hadith books (collection of hearsay) which are the practising manual for majority of muslims. I don't know how Paul is considered by christians but I would imagine in a simular way.
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Yes about the same. Paul is considered a hero to the Roman Catholic church, Anglicans, Baptists etc. but almost a heretic to God-alone Christians.
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RasulHamsa, please do not shout at me!
sorry sir, I apologise... but what is your real purpose on this forum?
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sorry sir, I apologise... but what is your real purpose on this forum?
As a God-alone Christian I feel a close relationship with Quran-alone, God-alone Muslims. A dialog between the two can only benefit both with a result that we can throw off our differences and pre-existing bias to bring us even closer. What is your real purpose on this forum?
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As a God-alone Christian I feel a close relationship with Quran-alone, God-alone Muslims. A dialog between the two can only benefit both with a result that we can throw off our differences and pre-existing bias to bring us even closer.
hail sorry my friend, for a minute I thought you also work for CIA.
What is your real purpose on this forum?
I am not allowed to reveal my true puopose.
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To annoy everyone
seems like you know everyone here... -\
he was asking me madame, but anyways, give me one example that I have ever annoyed anyone? but there is good news for you! I'll be visiting this forum till the end of this year and not any more. handshake
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I live in a place where a Bible in my hands can be a problem. However I promised myself that I will read the OT and NT when I escape from Sunnistan (
This subject is a contentious one here, especially regarding the OT since many things there cause people to cringe. However I think that the NT is less problematic for a lot of people. Many aspects of the OT reminds people of the hadith canons and that makes them cringe. However I think the emphasis should be not what we think but WHAT DOES THE QURAN THINK abut the previous scriptures and I have not seen that debate here taken seriously once again because of OT phobia.
But I will say this. If you want to be a serious Quranist then you need to have a throrough understanding of the OT and NT and Judaic and Christian traditions as well as pagan traditions. Thats if you want to be a serious Quranist, meaning actvist. Its not easy to do away with the OT. Many early Christians wanted to but couldn't.
To be fair though many OT prophets and stories are in the Quran so I understand why many Quranist would not bother. But to be an actvist you must know it well since many Quranic verses could only be understood if you have knowledge of the OT and the Talmud. Maybe not an expert knowledge but at least a thorough understanding.
Its something I am going to have to do but not now. Internet has good sources but its never the same as reading it yourself since you will get the feel and overall picture and not bits and pieces as you get in the internet.