Hot/"ramadan" Answer
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Peace,
Peace guest
however since you have not particularly been nice to me, i will not give you any hint, let us see if your one kilo mass of fat cells between your ears can figure this out for themselves...
Thank you for the "NO HINT". Save IT for the disbelievers. Peace.
The worshipers of the Most Gracious are those who tread the earth gently, and when the ignorant speak to them, they only utter peace (2563). Peace, peace.
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Peace guest
there are so many wrong things in this world, i would not know where to start...
on this thread i focus on calendar...
rumi was astray and mentally sick, same with all sufis...
as you wish, no hint, and thank you for the label, it is mutual btw, peace to you too...
peace peaceThe worshipers of the Most Gracious are those who tread the earth gently, and when the ignorant speak to them, they only utter peace (2563). Peace, peace.
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WARNING Please beware of poets and the ignorant people who quote them. Poets are one of the key reasons why we have Greek Mythology (half human and half animal, thousands of gods, idol worship ?.). They are DISBLEIVER as evident from the following Quranic verses
26224 - As for the poets, they are followed only by the strayers.
3669 - What we taught him (the messenger) was not poetry, nor is he (a poet). This is but a formidable proof, and a profound Quran.
6941 - Not the utterance of a poet; rarely do you believe.
??and it is not really ours? implies that we don?t have to believe in ONE GOD (disbeliever) and can commit bad deeds without any consequences i.e. no punishment since the soul is not ours.
Therefore, please ignore Rumi?s poetry and the Rumi lovers.
He is so WRONG.
Professor Nabster, why are you silent on this irrelevant and untruth post? Do you love Rumi?s nonsense poetry as well?
"Ignorance is preferable to error, and he is less remote from the truth who believes nothing than he who believes what is wrong."
-Thomas Jefferson
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"Ignorance is preferable to error, and he is less remote from the truth who believes nothing than he who believes what is wrong."
-Thomas Jefferson
The slaves were denied education to keep them ignorant, do you prefer that over error. Error is correctable with education. You need to think and comprehend. You need time to do that.
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at last something we can agree on, (on top of foundational principles of monotheism that is...)
The slaves were denied education to keep them ignorant, do you prefer that over error.
Error is correctable with education. You need to think and comprehend. You need time to do that. -
This thread is so incredibly long...
Are there good arguments on inner pages that can be highlighted in a separate, shorter thread?
This thread waas realy realy very hot sun dont reopen it please but yes you can find some very good arguments in it. police
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Peace Sarah,
This thread is so incredibly long...
Are there good arguments on inner pages that can be highlighted in a separate, shorter thread?This thread is long as a result of attempts to refute the arguments on page 1 but instead unwillingly contributing to strengthening them and inadvertently creating the most detailed resource anywhere in the world on the issue of the timing according to the great reading. So the good arguments are on page 1 and if you can read between the lines then the rest is just the icing on the cake.
Peace,
Ayman
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seconded,
almost no one here has the time to go through 143 pages of material and figure out what's worth reading and what isn't.Selam Sarah
I followed it for months and feel there were loads of circular arguments. Someone will leave the discussion after hitting a brick wall and then another come back and start the same argument all over again. The fact is the argument could possibly be condenced to 10 pages, most of the pages are repeated discussions hence the circular argument bit. I personally feel Ayman is on to something here and would like for him to continue his study in this area, may Allah give him patients and good health to continue and produce his findings as an article for us to read and judge with an open mind.
Peace
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Peace Sarah,
This thread is long as a result of attempts to refute the arguments on page 1 but instead unwillingly contributing to strengthening them and inadvertently creating the most detailed resource anywhere in the world on the issue of the timing according to the great reading. So the good arguments are on page 1 and if you can read between the lines then the rest is just the icing on the cake.
Peace,
Ayman
Peace all
Ayman,
Have you had the time to update your article on ramadan timing, taking into consideration the other points raised in this forum?
Thanks,
Ramon
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ayman i just wrote down in detail all i wanted to say about how to know when the months are ,and the computer ate them all.and it is late ,tomorrow longday.so i am going to make this quick.
i cannot believe what happened the computer ate the most important thing i have written in my life.
any ways i willl do it again.
first of all let us agree on what a shaher is ,
yes every one tell you it is a month ,well it is not .
all we know is that a shaher is present twelve times in a year.
and it is both lunar and solar.very well.
ok the prophet was told to tell us in the quran about the ahillat ,we need to use them so we know time of haj.good
so what is a shaher. it is the ahillat,but hey wait a minute am i saying that a month is from one ahillah to another.like maybe 26 days no not at all.
a ahillat is the combination of the hillals that is between or around five days. when the moon dies and there are those nights with out the moon then the moon is born again.those nights are what we call a shaher.yes those nights with out a moon.
yes that is a shaher and i will show you why. is is like only about five days.
and we have twelve of them in one year.so that we know the years.
good so it starts with the deiing of the moon to the birth of a new one,now why did allah tell us in the verse in the quran that we should come the homes from the door and not from the back,for if we count the ahiilat from the birth of a new moon then one shaher would be like 26 days but if come from the door of the shaher it will be like only five days.
strange what makes me say that,ok give one more minute.see about ashhur el haram,what could there be that we know them.
bare with me ,so now we know that a shaher is not the moon cycle,but the cycle of the ahillat.great,so how do we know ashhur al haram,we know from quran they are four.in one year four of those shahers have less nights then the ussuall ashhur.yes it is strange they are the shahers that come after the shaher of ramadan.and i will tell you how we know it is ramadan ,give me another minute.
onlythose ashhur all haram are seperate from eachother they like have two ashhur between them that are regular ashhur.in ahshur all haram their nights are only four and the rest of the ashhur have five nights.
so ashhur all haram are about four days long each and they are four.they come in pairs,this is what the test shows and often they are devided by a pair of regular shahers not months dont make the mistake of thinking a shaher is month.
it is a shaher ,the days and nights where one cannot see the mooon between the ahillat.
then we need to know when is ramadan.for it is true that the ashhur all haram start after the shaher of ramadan and that is what i have noticed.so know how do we know that ramadan has started.
or it is the coming shaher .
the quran tells us that the shaher of ramadan is a shaher of bayinat that we will be signaled with many signs to know it is it.
so let us see,since it is only a five night and day shaher as all the other regular shahers then it must be evident during the days that come before it that will give us all those signs.that it will be clear that this month is different.
so let us see together what are those signs.
1-the rain will start to fall again after a long summer.ramadan
2 change of season.
3-plants beggin to grow again.
4-the days stop form getting bigger and they start to get smaller.
5-one big moon in the sky and i mean really big. the biggest you can find all year round.the collor is different too.
6-the sun is different during sun set even after it sets those collors are differnt and the sun have a round shape we can see,with out hurting our eyes.it is also the biggest sun we can ever see.
7- all this in a few days likesome twenty days.or twenty six and can be found together with in that time frame.
6-some call the moon the harvest moon for the fulll moon during that time is full of light,and one can see very clearly.
so we get all those signs and then we know that the time this time when the moon is not there any more for those comming few days it is called the shaher of ramadan.yes five days we are ordered to fast those days without a moon.
during those days is lalayet al qadr.remmember when the quran says,(wa kan kaba qawsayne aw adna)yes between those too cresents when there is no moon to light the night,and there is only darkness it is the shaher.
the thing about those ashhur el hurum and ramadan well they dont change seasons,yes mostly ramadan is in september or october,and the hurum ashhur basically come,in march april and october december.
but do the experiments your selfs dont take my word for it.
inshaalah allah will lead us with the quran and nothing else,every thing else is shurk and will result in many ikhtilaf.
brother please forgive me if i have mistaken or mislead you in any way.
Allah knows best.
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Peace brother Mohamad, all,
Thank you Mohamad for your interesting post and for sharing your interesting theory. I will study it and reply soon. Right now I a have to rush because I am writing this from the Airport and my flight is going to be departing shortly.
Meanhwile, as requested by several members, I have summarized the findings on this thread in a new article. However, the article is in Arabic since I wanted to also test this understanding with Arabic speakers and interestingly, the arguments are much more compelling in Arabic
http//www.scribd.com/doc/30298535/%D9%85%D8%AA%D9%8A-%D9%84%D9%8A%D9%84%D8%A9-%D8%A7%D9%84%D9%82%D8%AF%D8%B1
I would be interested in feedback from Arabic speakers on the forum.
Peace and all best wishes,
Ayman
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Selam Mohamad
Very good observation and a interesting concept which deffinitly calls for more investigation. If someone can put that in a article form it will be excellent to read and ponder over. Keep up the good work and may Allah guide us.
Peace
Selam Ayman
Any chance you will have that article translated into English?
Peace
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hope you have a safe trip.as for what you have written i have read it.
yes is see what you mean,i want you to know that i could not of come up with my conclusion if it was not for your help.
thank you again.
pls consider what haram means.
it mostly means unique.see it in the quran ,it means unique
al beit al haram,the unique house for there is non like it.
unique in the sense that it is left out from the other houses it might have other qualities that other houses do not.
ashhur hurum we have the same thing here again. they are unique in the number of days and nights mostly three or four as for the other ashhur they are five .
and concerning when in the quran it was Allah told us that the blood is haram ,pork,and the dead.it makes sense since it must be left out of our food,like kept unique as not to be eaten in relation to the other meat we eat.i hope this helps in your research and please forgive me if i lead you astray see i dont know.only allah is the one with knowledge.inshhaaa he will forgive me and i hope adn ask that he does.
salam
as for the day of jumua it is not jamaa3a but jumua maybe you out to look into that.thank you ayman and thank you all for your help.