Can a Husband Drink His Wife's...
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I never tried to "make halal" drinking wife's milk. This minor question is pretty much unimportant to me. What is important is not making something haram when there is no quranic evidence for the proclamation. As far as I can tell, the verse hope4 pointed to does not making drinking one's wife's milk haram. Do you disagree?
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I never tried to "make halal" drinking wife's milk. This minor question is pretty much unimportant to me. What is important is not making something haram when there is no quranic evidence for the proclamation. As far as I can tell, the verse hope4 pointed to does not making drinking one's wife's milk haram. Do you disagree?
Selam CavemanDoctor
Yes I agree that it is not mentioned. However, the example given to us in the ayat is of milk produced by livestock e.g. animals and not humans. Also how this milk is 'relieving for the drinkers'. Now the drinkers here I am assuming and could not be sure must but must be mankind (humans). If the ayat talked about how milk in general was 'relieving for the drinkers' then I could possibly with great reluctance say that this may include milk produced by a human. Also, I did not use this verse to state that milk from a women is haram as you put it, but as the only evidence from Quran we have to go by of milk we drink is from the livestock. Also I did state that I did not feel it is right (my personal feelings). Now if someone chooses to drink their wifes milk then that is up to them, there is no issue of it being halal or haram as there is no direct command in the Quran to suggest this but the issue is more ethical. I would not personally go to work the next day and say 'mate you have to try your wifes milk on your weetabix tomorrow morning it was fantastic' ;D I would probably get weird looks. People can make up their own minds, a gift from Allah.
Peace
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peace all,
If i were to listen and choose the best words here, it goes to...
The breast milk from a female human is for the baby only and not for the curious husband. If you have spare milk then offer some to maternity units in hospitals, I am sure they may find a use for it.
There are mothers/babies lacking "organic" and "proper" "female human" "breast milk". Yet there are "curious" "husbands" ... ? nope
@RA786, this is your first thread? way to go ... )
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Thank you all for your Input...
I have made my own personal Decision...and Agree with Brother Hope4
I have Reflected on A couple of things that Made my Mind...
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Breast Milk in the Quran is ONLY mentioned with a Human Baby immediately after its mentioned.
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Milk that Humans "Drink"...Is Mentioned As being "Cattle's milk"...and the Context seem to Imply it was Adult Humans Since Baby Human's Drink Breast Milk up to about 2 years (as mentioned)
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When Reflecting on Nature...NO WHERE Have I EVER seen animals in the Animal kingdom Drink Breast Milk that were Adults.... I have ONLY seen Baby Animals Drinking Their Mothers Milk.
4)If Breast-Milk was for me...Then A woman would Lactate and Produce Milk Constantly Everyday All-day... BUT since a Woman ONLY Lactates Milk When Pregnant...It becomes Apparent that Obviously and Logically....The Purpose of the Milk is for the Baby... ONLY.... Because I as an adult am Irrelevant for the consumption of this Milk. My Milk Needs are already explained in the Quran as being Filled by the Cattle. (that's their Purpose)
In conclusion, I have found that, As a Human being with Free-will...I sometimes make decisions based on my Selfish- Self-Indulgence and Rebellious views on What "I" "Can Do"....Not exactly what I "Should do". After Carefully Examining and analyzing it...It seems apparent to me that Allah's System is very plain and Easy to understand using Common Sense.
It is this type of view (I can do what ever I want), that can be used with anything....
You can Make ANYTHING seem appropriate whether it be Masturbating, Doing Drugs, Temporary Marriage (Nikka-Muttah) Prostitution, Drinking Breast milk or even Serving other masters besides Allah.
I think we should Defiantly Ponder on the Quran and Common Sense before deciding to do whatever action we want, because of our Lower Carnal Desires..
I will Not Drink Breast Milk bravo
I think this topic is Concluded. Thanks Everyone...
peace Salam
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peace all,
If i were to listen and choose the best words here, it goes to...
There are mothers/babies lacking "organic" and "proper" "female human" "breast milk". Yet there are "curious" "husbands" ... ? nope
@RA786, this is your first thread? way to go ...
Thanks San, Well I hope to make a more in depth Thread about other Topic that are actually more Important.
This topic to me was more to not only ask what peoples Views are on a simple Question, But more important how they Answered it and how they Analyze it. I wanted to ask "Quran-Aloners" like myself and see where we stand and were we differ and why we have a different Ethic or Moral View on something.
Hopefully, Id like to use this in a new project I want to make.
Thanks Everyone ;D
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Thanks San, Well I hope to make a more in depth Thread about other Topic that are actually more Important.
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This topic to me was more to not only ask what peoples Views are on a simple Question, But more important how they Answered it and how they Analyze it. I wanted to ask "Quran-Aloners" like myself and see where we stand and were we differ and why we have a different Ethic or Moral View on something.
Hopefully, Id like to use this in a new project I want to make.
You were on to something ,eh ;D
I am trying not to think that he is getting married soon
he might have a fetish
Oh whatever it was, it's safe to marry him now, girls!
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No no... Im sorry, I am getting married inshallah very soon to my Wife...(the Quranic Way) ;D inshallah
This is a Curious Question I had, because...I cant remember what Breast Milk taste like and after watching a movie about a Weird Mom in England who Breastfeeds her 10 year old Daughtors...I was like eewww.. yuck..But then it got me thinking.... -\ ! hmm eat
So, It turns out there are many views on this simple subject in the Hadiths and in Society...
I wanted to hear what other Quran Aloners would say on their personal Ruling...and how they came up with that Answer. The Logical and Rational Path they chose.
I liked Hope4's Method of Critically thinking and Analyzing. I liked how he used those two Verses to show how Logically One Milk is for a Person of Older age, and the Other is for a baby of a Younger age...
Then I showed how I used my Logic in Deciding by Agreeing with Him, and also Looking at other types of Possible Reasons for my answer such as "Reflecting on Nature", and using Common Sense in a real life example....Such as...
If I give One Son a Piece of Chocolate and say..."John, This Chocolate is for you"
and then Give a different Type of Chocolate to my Other son and Specifically say "Lenon, This Chocolate is For you".
It would only be Logical that That is for a SPECIFIC REASON. and They should NOT TRADE or SHARE their Chocolates with each other because I have Specifically Set a Prescription for them in a certain ORDER.
Otherwise, I would have Just said "Here you TWO, TAKE THESE CHOCOLATES"....
I feel This is Similar to What Allah says and his Specific Prescriptions.
Some People May say ..."Oh, but wait, You didnt say we Couldn't Share or trade, and you didnt say it was Only for Him or Him,....But to me this Type of Logic is insufficient. Its Trying infer that just because the Author didnt Say the magical words "Only" or "Couldn't", that it is Okay.
Obviously, It should be a Given that One is for One wile the Other is for the Other. its only logical sense, and Thus doesnot need those words "ONLY" Or "Couldn't".
This to me is just One Example, or Thing I want to get into. Similar to the whole ruling on "Alcohol" and its permissiveness or its Forbidden ruling.
Do any of you agree? or Disagree? any thoughts? or See where I am going with this?
D thanks
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Good question actually.
There is nothing in the Quran that rejects drinking women's milk even if your an adult. Unless you classify it as a transgression then there is nothing else in there to my knowledge to reject this.
SO if you wana see what it tastes like, and your wife is ok with it....then i don't see what's the problem.
tempt yes eat
peace
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This is an attitude that I very much disagree with in muslims, traditional or hadithistic muslims and as it shows also among quranists to quickly go to bad brass tacks and exact, but "is it forbidden or not". But the revelation start point is that we seek light and knowledge, not that we long to be treated all our life as minors and told unequivocally what to do without room for us to elaborate on anything. Legally, if we are not forbidden to do something theyn we are allwed, but that is the law, mostly human law. But we as we morally go through life are not clinging continually to what is allowed or not, but to what is right and what is not, and for that we have to THINK. So the Quran does not forbid or allow spirits, oh it does much better thanthat, it says, what alcohol does, it gives reasons, now ?where does the Quran say that we should dispise reason and reasoning and that we should decide of our conduct disregarding it?
Now this suckling one's wife, I find monstruous, although I think that since I find it so I would never be objective. But at the very least I think it is something of the intimacy of people. What has been done here to discuss it is very proper, and also proper that nobody has come out with a haram or halal. We should go beyond that childish attitude, although the subject being baby milk, there may be some "contamination".
Salaam
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This is an attitude that I very much disagree with in muslims, traditional or hadithistic muslims and as it shows also among quranists to quickly go to bad brass tacks and exact, but "is it forbidden or not". But the revelation start point is that we seek light and knowledge, not that we long to be treated all our life as minors and told unequivocally what to do without room for us to elaborate on anything. Legally, if we are not forbidden to do something theyn we are allwed, but that is the law, mostly human law. But we as we morally go through life are not clinging continually to what is allowed or not, but to what is right and what is not, and for that we have to THINK. So the Quran does not forbid or allow spirits, oh it does much better thanthat, it says, what alcohol does, it gives reasons, now ?where does the Quran say that we should dispise reason and reasoning and that we should decide of our conduct disregarding it?
Now this suckling one's wife, I find monstruous, although I think that since I find it so I would never be objective. But at the very least I think it is something of the intimacy of people. What has been done here to discuss it is very proper, and also proper that nobody has come out with a haram or halal. We should go beyond that childish attitude, although the subject being baby milk, there may be some "contamination".
Good point and i agree to an extent. That's why i think reason heart and logic are to come first, then the Quranic interpretation.
With respect to the milk. Somethings are subjective. The next step to possibly help us in these subjectivist things is the Quran (that is also to an extent subjective) But what's not there means there is nothing to be subjective on. Thus if drinking you wife's milk isn't there, it's either not wrong or it's wrong as in it's a transgression.
I personally dislike the idea greatly. But that's me being subjective. I'm not gonna just say ew that's gross you should'nt do it. It might be gross to me but good to another (not that that i what RA7 is implying) to my understanding he was curious. He may have just wanted to see what it tastes like. That's it.
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are you a crackpot?
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Now the Question is...
- Is Breast Milk ONLY for a Child, and its actually just a really "Active" husband who wants to take it upon himself to have some too?
- Is it "Alright" for a Husband to drink his wife's milk....
- would there also be some sort of Spiritual effect on him?
- Breast milk is MAINLY for a toddler, as toddler cannot eat steaks or pizzas...
- Why not, it is also allright for a man or a woman to drink any human's milk.. as long as it doesn't contains any 'poisoning' substance.
- I doubt it... if drinking some creature's milk will creates a spiritual effects and/or bonding towards that creature, then I most definitely should have felt abundance bonding and/or spiritual effect towards cows... since I drank their milk and I ate their flesh.
Hmm.. come to think of it.... Here betsy!.... (moooo)... please betsy.. marry me!.. be my wife!.... (moooo)
Salam / Peace
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This is a Curious Question I had, because...I cant remember what Breast Milk taste like and after watching a movie about a Weird Mom in England who Breastfeeds her 10 year old Daughtors...I was like eewww.. yuck..But then it got me thinking....
Believe me or not, but I know someone who was breastfed until she was 15 o. Apparently they bonded quite well... too well actually -\
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- Breast milk is MAINLY for a toddler, as toddler cannot eat steaks or pizzas...
- Why not, it is also allright for a man or a woman to drink any human's milk.. as long as it doesn't contains any 'poisoning' substance.
- I doubt it... if drinking some creature's milk will creates a spiritual effects and/or bonding towards that creature, then I most definitely should have felt abundance bonding and/or spiritual effect towards cows... since I drank their milk and I ate their flesh.
Hmm.. come to think of it.... Here betsy!.... (moooo)... please betsy.. marry me!.. be my wife!.... (moooo)
Salam / Peace
I can find you a beautiful moooo laugh
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rotfl You Guys are too funny...
Well, I drink Soy Milk...so ...I guess I am a loser... ??? -[
laugh Anyways, Here is my next Curious Question
At what Age does a Innocent and "Halal" Natural Phenominon such as Breast-Feading...Become something "Haram" and Sexual?
If your Daughtor or Son is 15 years old, I am sorry...But you as a parent are not doing something with good intentions, rather...You are doing it for your own vain lustful and sexual desires. Am I wrong?
Allah gives the Age to about 2years old in the Quran....
Well....Lets hope someones not going to come and refute me on that too, laugh Seems like there are ALWAYS going to be someone making exceptions to the rules...Many of these women who were questioned about this action said..
"Its their RIGHT to decide WHAT AGE they want to STOP breast-feeding. ITS MY BODY, its MY and THEIR CHOICE.One should question this... Really. WHat is the need for a 10 year old being breastfed? Its NOT found in Nature (animal Kingdom) and is not the Mainstream view in Almost any society. (there are some exceptions though but not the majority)
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rotfl You Guys are too funny...
Well, I drink Soy Milk...so ...I guess I am a loser... ??? -[
laugh Anyways, Here is my next Curious Question
At what Age does a Innocent and "Halal" Natural Phenominon such as Breast-Feading...Become something "Haram" and Sexual?
If your Daughtor or Son is 15 years old, I am sorry...But you as a parent are not doing something with good intentions, rather...You are doing it for your own vain lustful and sexual desires. Am I wrong?
Allah gives the Age to about 2years old in the Quran....
Well....Lets hope someones not going to come and refute me on that too, laugh Seems like there are ALWAYS going to be someone making exceptions to the rules...Many of these women who were questioned about this action said..
"Its their RIGHT to decide WHAT AGE they want to STOP breast-feeding. ITS MY BODY, its MY and THEIR CHOICE.One should question this... Really. WHat is the need for a 10 year old being breastfed? Its NOT found in Nature (animal Kingdom) and is not the Mainstream view in Almost any society. (there are some exceptions though but not the majority)
offtopic I know I just changed the subject a little...Cannot believe this women milk will dry in two years in some case may in two months and some women don?t produce much milk at all , I haven?t heard any women producing milk for 10 or 15 years,
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Cannot believe this women milk will dry in two years in some case may in two months and some women don?t produce much milk at all , I haven?t heard any women producing milk for 10 or 15 years,
Can last many years........i didn't know that.
http//answers.yahoo.com/question/index?qid=20080503024925AAhdIqu
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