Can a Husband Drink His Wife's...

san

Thanks San, Well I hope to make a more in depth Thread about other Topic that are actually more Important.

laugh

This topic to me was more to not only ask what peoples Views are on a simple Question, But more important how they Answered it and how they Analyze it. I wanted to ask "Quran-Aloners" like myself and see where we stand and were we differ and why we have a different Ethic or Moral View on something.

Hopefully, Id like to use this in a new project I want to make.

You were on to something ,eh ;D

I am trying not to think that he is getting married soon

he might have a fetish

Oh whatever it was, it's safe to marry him now, girls!

RA786

No no... Im sorry, I am getting married inshallah very soon to my Wife...(the Quranic Way) ;D inshallah

This is a Curious Question I had, because...I cant remember what Breast Milk taste like and after watching a movie about a Weird Mom in England who Breastfeeds her 10 year old Daughtors...I was like eewww.. yuck..But then it got me thinking.... -\ ! hmm eat

So, It turns out there are many views on this simple subject in the Hadiths and in Society...

I wanted to hear what other Quran Aloners would say on their personal Ruling...and how they came up with that Answer. The Logical and Rational Path they chose.

I liked Hope4's Method of Critically thinking and Analyzing. I liked how he used those two Verses to show how Logically One Milk is for a Person of Older age, and the Other is for a baby of a Younger age...

Then I showed how I used my Logic in Deciding by Agreeing with Him, and also Looking at other types of Possible Reasons for my answer such as "Reflecting on Nature", and using Common Sense in a real life example....Such as...

If I give One Son a Piece of Chocolate and say..."John, This Chocolate is for you"

and then Give a different Type of Chocolate to my Other son and Specifically say "Lenon, This Chocolate is For you".

It would only be Logical that That is for a SPECIFIC REASON. and They should NOT TRADE or SHARE their Chocolates with each other because I have Specifically Set a Prescription for them in a certain ORDER.

Otherwise, I would have Just said "Here you TWO, TAKE THESE CHOCOLATES"....

I feel This is Similar to What Allah says and his Specific Prescriptions.

Some People May say ..."Oh, but wait, You didnt say we Couldn't Share or trade, and you didnt say it was Only for Him or Him,....But to me this Type of Logic is insufficient. Its Trying infer that just because the Author didnt Say the magical words "Only" or "Couldn't", that it is Okay.

Obviously, It should be a Given that One is for One wile the Other is for the Other. its only logical sense, and Thus doesnot need those words "ONLY" Or "Couldn't".

This to me is just One Example, or Thing I want to get into. Similar to the whole ruling on "Alcohol" and its permissiveness or its Forbidden ruling.

Do any of you agree? or Disagree? any thoughts? or See where I am going with this?

D thanks

nimnimak_11

Good question actually.

There is nothing in the Quran that rejects drinking women's milk even if your an adult. Unless you classify it as a transgression then there is nothing else in there to my knowledge to reject this.

SO if you wana see what it tastes like, and your wife is ok with it....then i don't see what's the problem.

tempt yes eat

peace

huruf

This is an attitude that I very much disagree with in muslims, traditional or hadithistic muslims and as it shows also among quranists to quickly go to bad brass tacks and exact, but "is it forbidden or not". But the revelation start point is that we seek light and knowledge, not that we long to be treated all our life as minors and told unequivocally what to do without room for us to elaborate on anything. Legally, if we are not forbidden to do something theyn we are allwed, but that is the law, mostly human law. But we as we morally go through life are not clinging continually to what is allowed or not, but to what is right and what is not, and for that we have to THINK. So the Quran does not forbid or allow spirits, oh it does much better thanthat, it says, what alcohol does, it gives reasons, now ?where does the Quran say that we should dispise reason and reasoning and that we should decide of our conduct disregarding it?

Now this suckling one's wife, I find monstruous, although I think that since I find it so I would never be objective. But at the very least I think it is something of the intimacy of people. What has been done here to discuss it is very proper, and also proper that nobody has come out with a haram or halal. We should go beyond that childish attitude, although the subject being baby milk, there may be some "contamination".

Salaam

nimnimak_11

Ooopps (mistake)

nimnimak_11

This is an attitude that I very much disagree with in muslims, traditional or hadithistic muslims and as it shows also among quranists to quickly go to bad brass tacks and exact, but "is it forbidden or not". But the revelation start point is that we seek light and knowledge, not that we long to be treated all our life as minors and told unequivocally what to do without room for us to elaborate on anything. Legally, if we are not forbidden to do something theyn we are allwed, but that is the law, mostly human law. But we as we morally go through life are not clinging continually to what is allowed or not, but to what is right and what is not, and for that we have to THINK. So the Quran does not forbid or allow spirits, oh it does much better thanthat, it says, what alcohol does, it gives reasons, now ?where does the Quran say that we should dispise reason and reasoning and that we should decide of our conduct disregarding it?

Now this suckling one's wife, I find monstruous, although I think that since I find it so I would never be objective. But at the very least I think it is something of the intimacy of people. What has been done here to discuss it is very proper, and also proper that nobody has come out with a haram or halal. We should go beyond that childish attitude, although the subject being baby milk, there may be some "contamination".

Good point and i agree to an extent. That's why i think reason heart and logic are to come first, then the Quranic interpretation.

With respect to the milk. Somethings are subjective. The next step to possibly help us in these subjectivist things is the Quran (that is also to an extent subjective) But what's not there means there is nothing to be subjective on. Thus if drinking you wife's milk isn't there, it's either not wrong or it's wrong as in it's a transgression.

I personally dislike the idea greatly. But that's me being subjective. I'm not gonna just say ew that's gross you should'nt do it. It might be gross to me but good to another (not that that i what RA7 is implying) to my understanding he was curious. He may have just wanted to see what it tastes like. That's it.

peace

nimnimak_11

are you a crackpot?

confused fftopic nope
Are you?

Jafar

Now the Question is...

Is Breast Milk ONLY for a Child, and its actually just a really "Active" husband who wants to take it upon himself to have some too?
Is it "Alright" for a Husband to drink his wife's milk....
would there also be some sort of Spiritual effect on him?

Breast milk is MAINLY for a toddler, as toddler cannot eat steaks or pizzas...
Why not, it is also allright for a man or a woman to drink any human's milk.. as long as it doesn't contains any 'poisoning' substance.
I doubt it... if drinking some creature's milk will creates a spiritual effects and/or bonding towards that creature, then I most definitely should have felt abundance bonding and/or spiritual effect towards cows... since I drank their milk and I ate their flesh.

Hmm.. come to think of it.... Here betsy!.... (moooo)... please betsy.. marry me!.. be my wife!.... (moooo)

Salam / Peace

BornAgain

This is a Curious Question I had, because...I cant remember what Breast Milk taste like and after watching a movie about a Weird Mom in England who Breastfeeds her 10 year old Daughtors...I was like eewww.. yuck..But then it got me thinking....

Believe me or not, but I know someone who was breastfed until she was 15 o. Apparently they bonded quite well... too well actually -\

afridi220

Breast milk is MAINLY for a toddler, as toddler cannot eat steaks or pizzas...
Why not, it is also allright for a man or a woman to drink any human's milk.. as long as it doesn't contains any 'poisoning' substance.
I doubt it... if drinking some creature's milk will creates a spiritual effects and/or bonding towards that creature, then I most definitely should have felt abundance bonding and/or spiritual effect towards cows... since I drank their milk and I ate their flesh.

Hmm.. come to think of it.... Here betsy!.... (moooo)... please betsy.. marry me!.. be my wife!.... (moooo)

Salam / Peace

I can find you a beautiful moooo laugh

RA786

rotfl You Guys are too funny...

Well, I drink Soy Milk...so ...I guess I am a loser... ??? -[

laugh Anyways, Here is my next Curious Question

At what Age does a Innocent and "Halal" Natural Phenominon such as Breast-Feading...Become something "Haram" and Sexual?

If your Daughtor or Son is 15 years old, I am sorry...But you as a parent are not doing something with good intentions, rather...You are doing it for your own vain lustful and sexual desires. Am I wrong?

Allah gives the Age to about 2years old in the Quran....
Well....Lets hope someones not going to come and refute me on that too, laugh Seems like there are ALWAYS going to be someone making exceptions to the rules...

Many of these women who were questioned about this action said..
"Its their RIGHT to decide WHAT AGE they want to STOP breast-feeding. ITS MY BODY, its MY and THEIR CHOICE.

One should question this... Really. WHat is the need for a 10 year old being breastfed? Its NOT found in Nature (animal Kingdom) and is not the Mainstream view in Almost any society. (there are some exceptions though but not the majority)
offtopic I know I just changed the subject a little...

afridi220

rotfl You Guys are too funny...

Well, I drink Soy Milk...so ...I guess I am a loser... ??? -[

laugh Anyways, Here is my next Curious Question

At what Age does a Innocent and "Halal" Natural Phenominon such as Breast-Feading...Become something "Haram" and Sexual?

If your Daughtor or Son is 15 years old, I am sorry...But you as a parent are not doing something with good intentions, rather...You are doing it for your own vain lustful and sexual desires. Am I wrong?

Allah gives the Age to about 2years old in the Quran....
Well....Lets hope someones not going to come and refute me on that too, laugh Seems like there are ALWAYS going to be someone making exceptions to the rules...

Many of these women who were questioned about this action said..
"Its their RIGHT to decide WHAT AGE they want to STOP breast-feeding. ITS MY BODY, its MY and THEIR CHOICE.

One should question this... Really. WHat is the need for a 10 year old being breastfed? Its NOT found in Nature (animal Kingdom) and is not the Mainstream view in Almost any society. (there are some exceptions though but not the majority)
offtopic I know I just changed the subject a little...

Cannot believe this women milk will dry in two years in some case may in two months and some women don?t produce much milk at all , I haven?t heard any women producing milk for 10 or 15 years,

unknownuser

Cannot believe this women milk will dry in two years in some case may in two months and some women don?t produce much milk at all , I haven?t heard any women producing milk for 10 or 15 years,

Can last many years........i didn't know that.

http//answers.yahoo.com/question/index?qid=20080503024925AAhdIqu

peace

afridi220

Can last many years........i didn't know that.

http//answers.yahoo.com/question/index?qid=20080503024925AAhdIqu

peace

Good business for those who have many wives

RA786

Cannot believe this women milk will dry in two years in some case may in two months and some women don?t produce much milk at all , I haven?t heard any women producing milk for 10 or 15 years,

Woman Breastfeeds 8 year-olds. http//www.youtube.com/watch?v=qqTDigYgypg

One of my Main points I want to think about... is this...

Does Allah Have to Literally, Specifically, Forbid or Allow something, for there to be a common Consnensus that that object is in fact forbidden or at least should be avoided?

Here is an example... To the best of my knowledge RAPE is NOT mentioned in the Quran. So One using twisted Logic would Assume that Rape is therefore "Okay" since its not mentioned.

However, Obviously we would reply that in One Ayat it says "You Cannot Oppress Anyone"...
and in another Ayat it says "You can only have Sexual Relations with your married partner" (i am paraphrasing not quoting).
Therefore, RAPE is in fact indirectly Mentioned because Rape is a cobination of Sexual Transgression, and Oppression.

Now, I've heard some say the Punishment of RAPE is the same punishment of Zina..(100 lashes)...now, I dont know Exactly What the Quran says, but I Assume it is Death since it is more serious than simply fornicating. (Oppressed get to Punish/Fight the Oppressor)..

I know this is fftopic, But I am trying to Tie the two Togeather. I am trying to show how You can draw a logical conclusion even though it is not Explicitly, Directly stated in Quran.

Do any of you agree or disagree?

Back to the Topic of Breast-Feeding your Husband....

Can we draw a same conclsuion that you "shouldnt" do it?

Because of two Ayats that Specifically State Who's Milk is Who's.

The Only Counter Argument that One can use, is "Allah didnt Say Breast milk was ""Only"" for babies under 2 years old. But as I have shown this Argument is very Weak. because,

Allah Gives an AGE of when to stop...(2 years old)
Allah Says Breast-milk is "FOR" Babies...and Cattle Milk is "FOR" Humans or "You "-(which can only mean an adult, since babies cant read a quran) laugh

So to hang on to your argument because of the absence of that little ""ONLY""....Just isnt that Strong.

I liked the Alcohol Topic with Brother Arnald. Where he States that that "Magical" word isnt always there...and it is the reader that needs to use context clues and Logic to Formulate a conclusion.

WARNING, I HOPE THERE ARE ONLY ADULTS HERE I HAVE ANOTHER EXAMPLE... police police

Take For instance, the Islamic View on Anal Sex. There are Many Muslims Both Quran alone and Traditional Hadith Muslims who Permit the act of Anal Sex, Yet have not pondered at the verses in the Quran before Making a judgment. ...Maybe they just dont want to "Give up" that which pleases them...

If you Take the Whole Quran, WHich Stresses the Importance of Family, and the Scientific Maricale of Procreation (baby making) Revelation, and take the Ayats that Issue Restrictions and Allowence of Sexual Activity, You can Conclude Anal Sex is Forbidden, without Actually being Explicetly Stated.

For instance, You cannot have sex durring a woman's Period...
1)it is to prevent Disease/Infection
and is "Cleaner" "Sanitary" for both of you...

2)And Intentionally does not Produce a Child.

(also, could be a hidden Protection, since it is known that in the satanic religions...it is a Magical Ritual to use "Dead" menstral Blood and Seeman...for Anti-Spiritual purposes
Allah Protect us from the accursed devil, and magical craft from the devils helpers

So, Taking the Verse that says Do not Kill your Children for Fear of Poverty, and Taking the Ayat that Also says
Go into your wives

It would ONLY make Logical Sense, that Anal Sex is Insufficient and a form of Transgression, Since it is one of the Most IF NOT the MOST Dirtiest places on your Body which Releases Toxic Waste, But also is Intentionally used to lead a Male's Seed to an Inevitable/Intentional Death. (Semen are living Organisms)

Therefore IN CONCLUSION,
If we can Conclude ANAL sex is Forbidden and/or should be avoided...in a Male/Female Relationship...Can we Not then Conclude Anal Sex should Also Be forbidden and Avoided in a Male/Male relationship?

Since, Sexual Male/Male (Gay) Relationships will Ultimatly lead to Volentary,Inevitable, Intentional Seemen Death?

Which is the same as a Male and a menstrating Woman having sex?

Sorry to Get Graffic... I hope the Moderators dont Ban me.. lol... I am just trying to Expound and Think about some things... ! ! ! peace

PEACE/SALAM to All, and please Share your thoughts, Refute, etc...

-RA

afridi220

Woman Breastfeeds 8 year-olds. http//www.youtube.com/watch?v=qqTDigYgypg

Take For instance, the Islamic View on Anal Sex. There are Many Muslims Both Quran alone and Traditional Hadith Muslims who Permit the act of Anal Sex, Yet have not pondered at the verses in the Quran before Making a judgment. ...Maybe they just dont want to "Give up" that which pleases them...

If we can Conclude ANAL sex is Forbidden and/or should be avoided...in a Male/Female Relationship...Can we Not then Conclude Anal Sex should Also Be forbidden and Avoided in a Male/Male relationship?

Since, Sexual Male/Male (Gay) Relationships will Ultimatly lead to Volentary,Inevitable, Intentional Seemen Death?

PEACE/SALAM to All, and please Share your thoughts, Refute, etc...

-RA

Please read 2222 and 2223 it si very clear police

RA786

Please read 2222 and 2223 it si very clear police

2223
Your wives are a farm for you; so come to your farm as-and-when you please, and take steps for yourselves. And revere Allah; and know that you are going to meet Him. And give glad tidings to the Believers.

Your wives are for you to cultivate so go to your cultivation whenever you wish

Main Entry tilth
Pronunciation \tilth
Function noun
Etymology Middle English, from Old English, from tilian to till
Date before 12th century
1 cultivated land tillage
2 the state of aggregation of a soil especially in relation to its suitability for crop growth

It is very Funy how the Translation words are all in Refference to Planting Seeds...

Sustinence, Cultivation, Aggeration, Plantation, Farm, etc...etc...etc...

That would only Prove my point that Sex is Deffinatly a Process of Fertilizing an Egg...I.e. Fertilization of Soil and Seed.

Thus Confirming the verse 2223 Means "ONLY "GOOD/PROPER SEX" not Anal or mentral sex.

Therefore, Homosexual sex and even Heteralsexual anal sex is a NO NO. police

Since, You wouldnt Try to Plant seed in a Garbage Toxic Waste Dump...Would you? laugh

If we agree to This, Then can we come to a Conclusion that BreastMilk is Most propbabily only for babies in the same way using the same Logic?

Jafar

Does Allah Have to Literally, Specifically, Forbid or Allow something, for there to be a common Consnensus that that object is in fact forbidden or at least should be avoided?

No... we're being blessed with sophisticated brain to do the judgement ourselves..
Based on the PRINCIPLES being laid out explicitly by God.

Is there something in the Quran that forbid eating your wife's feces (readshit) ?

Salam / Peace

RA786

No... we're being blessed with sophisticated brain to do the judgement ourselves..
Based on the PRINCIPLES being laid out explicitly by God.

Is there something in the Quran that forbid eating your wife's feces (readshit) ?

Salam / Peace

?O ye who believe! Eat of the good things wherewith We have provided you, and render thanks to Allah if it is (indeed) He whom ye worship? (2172).

Notice Eat of the "Good Things.

It takes a Level of Common Sense....

unknownuser

?O ye who believe! Eat of the good things wherewith We have provided you, and render thanks to Allah if it is (indeed) He whom ye worship? (2172).

Notice Eat of the "Good Things.

It takes a Level of Common Sense....

http//www.associatedcontent.com/article/473223/can_adults_benefit_from_drinking_breast.html

http//www.thegreenparent.co.uk/articles/read/breastmilk-as-miracle-cure/

http//www.bukisa.com/articles/107721_adult-nursing-relationships-and-adult-breastfeeding

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