There is no salat/prayer; the word sol-laa-ta means enjoinment.

Stop_Genital_Mutilation

MOST people believe (al-sol-laa-ta) means 'the ritual prayer'.
6116 And if you obey MOST people on earth, they will divert you from the god's path. They follow only conjecture; they only guess.

I believe (al-sol-laa-ta) means 'the enjoinment' (something that is enjoined). For example, the god has enjoined upon humanity that we uphold peacefulness as our way of life...
319 Surely the way of life according to the god is peacefulness...
...thus the enjoinment in the context is to lead a peaceful way of life.

The following verse clearly shows that sol-laa-ta is NOT a ritual prayer. Looking at the context we can easily see that sol-laa-ta is something that is enjoined...
2441 Don't you realize that EVERYTHING in the heavens and the earth, EVEN THE BIRDS in formation, glorifies the god? EACH KNOWS IT'S SOL-LAA-TA and its glorification. The god is fully aware of everything they do.

The god says EVERYTHING, EVEN THE BIRDS know it's sol-laa-ta. If sol-laa-ta means ritual prayer then how do birds ritually pray? How do lions, tigers and bears perform their ritual prayer? Remember the god said EVERYTHING so how do subatomic particles (protons, neutrons, electrons) do their ritual prayer? How does a tree ritually pray? How about a blade of grass, a car, a house, a computer, a rock? Obviously these things do not know a ritual prayer, that would be absurd. But surely the god has enjoined upon everything in the universe a purpose/function/obligation, thus everything knows it's enjoinment (whatever the god has enjoined upon it).

The story of messenger Shu'ayb also confirms that sol-laa-ta is an enjoinment, NOT a ritual prayer...
1184-87 And to Midyan was their brother Shu'ayb, he said "My people, serve the god, you have no god besides it, and do not give short in the measure and weight. I see you in prosperity, and I fear for you the retribution of a period of time that is surrounding. And my people, give full measure and weight with justice, and do not hold back from the people what is theirs, and do not roam the land corrupting. What will remain for you with the god is far better if you trust. And I am not a guardian over you." They said "O Shu'ayb, DOES YOUR SOL-LAA-TA ORDER YOU that we leave what our fathers served, or that we do not do with our money as we please? You are the compassionate, the sane!"
If sol-laa-ta means ritual prayer then how does Shu'ayb's ritual prayer order him to tell people to serve the god alone, trade equitably, not corrupt the land etc.? I don't see how a ritual prayer can order someone to do anything. Perhaps his ritual prayer was sign language meaning, "go to a transgressing nation and tell them to behave." The only way to make sense of the context is if sol-laa-ta means something that was enjoined (enjoinment). The god commanded Shu'ayb to go to the transgressing nation and instruct them of a better way of life, thus this commandment given to Shu'ayb became his enjoinment...
1187 They said "O Shu'ayb, DOES YOUR ENJOINMENT (whatever the god has enjoined upon you) ORDER YOU that we leave what our fathers served, or that we do not do with our money as we please? You are the compassionate, the sane!"

Here is one last reference that shows sol-laa-ta means enjoinment...
1071-7 Do you notice who is rejecting with the way of life? It is the one who mistreats the orphan, and does not encourage the feeding of the poor. Therefore woe to the enjoiners (people who enjoin others to do good works) who are heedless of their enjoinment (the good works that the god enjoined upon them to fulfill).

Why would the god say, "woe to the praying people who are heedless of their ritual prayer," when the context is talking about helping orphans and feeding the poor? Ritual prayers have NOTHING to do with helping orphans and feeding the poor. The good deeds mentioned in the context are what the god has enjoined upon humanity to fulfill, and these good deeds have EVERYTHING to do with enjoiners (mu-sol-een) who are supposed to uphold their enjoinment (sol-laa-ta).

afridi220

MOST people believe (al-sol-laa-ta) means 'the ritual prayer'.
6116 And if you obey MOST people on earth, they will divert you from the god's path. They follow only conjecture; they only guess.

I believe (al-sol-laa-ta) means 'the enjoinment' (something that is enjoined). For example, the god has enjoined upon humanity that we uphold peacefulness as our way of life...
319 Surely the way of life according to the god is peacefulness...
...thus the enjoinment in the context is to lead a peaceful way of life.

The following verse clearly shows that sol-laa-ta is NOT a ritual prayer. Looking at the context we can easily see that sol-laa-ta is something that is enjoined...
2441 Don't you realize that EVERYTHING in the heavens and the earth, EVEN THE BIRDS in formation, glorifies the god? EACH KNOWS IT'S SOL-LAA-TA and its glorification. The god is fully aware of everything they do.

The god says EVERYTHING, EVEN THE BIRDS know it's sol-laa-ta. If sol-laa-ta means ritual prayer then how do birds ritually pray? How do lions, tigers and bears perform their ritual prayer? Remember the god said EVERYTHING so how do subatomic particles (protons, neutrons, electrons) do their ritual prayer? How does a tree ritually pray? How about a blade of grass, a car, a house, a computer, a rock? Obviously these things do not know a ritual prayer, that would be absurd. But surely the god has enjoined upon everything in the universe a purpose/function/obligation, thus everything knows it's enjoinment (whatever the god has enjoined upon it).

The story of messenger Shu'ayb also confirms that sol-laa-ta is an enjoinment, NOT a ritual prayer...
1184-87 And to Midyan was their brother Shu'ayb, he said "My people, serve the god, you have no god besides it, and do not give short in the measure and weight. I see you in prosperity, and I fear for you the retribution of a period of time that is surrounding. And my people, give full measure and weight with justice, and do not hold back from the people what is theirs, and do not roam the land corrupting. What will remain for you with the god is far better if you trust. And I am not a guardian over you." They said "O Shu'ayb, DOES YOUR SOL-LAA-TA ORDER YOU that we leave what our fathers served, or that we do not do with our money as we please? You are the compassionate, the sane!"
If sol-laa-ta means ritual prayer then how does Shu'ayb's ritual prayer order him to tell people to serve the god alone, trade equitably, not corrupt the land etc.? I don't see how a ritual prayer can order someone to do anything. Perhaps his ritual prayer was sign language meaning, "go to a transgressing nation and tell them to behave." The only way to make sense of the context is if sol-laa-ta means something that was enjoined (enjoinment). The god commanded Shu'ayb to go to the transgressing nation and instruct them of a better way of life, thus this commandment given to Shu'ayb became his enjoinment...
1187 They said "O Shu'ayb, DOES YOUR ENJOINMENT (whatever the god has enjoined upon you) ORDER YOU that we leave what our fathers served, or that we do not do with our money as we please? You are the compassionate, the sane!"

Here is one last reference that shows sol-laa-ta means enjoinment...
1071-7 Do you notice who is rejecting with the way of life? It is the one who mistreats the orphan, and does not encourage the feeding of the poor. Therefore woe to the enjoiners (people who enjoin others to do good works) who are heedless of their enjoinment (the good works that the god enjoined upon them to fulfill).

Why would the god say, "woe to the praying people who are heedless of their ritual prayer," when the context is talking about helping orphans and feeding the poor? Ritual prayers have NOTHING to do with helping orphans and feeding the poor. The good deeds mentioned in the context are what the god has enjoined upon humanity to fulfill, and these good deeds have EVERYTHING to do with enjoiners (mu-sol-een) who are supposed to uphold their enjoinment (sol-laa-ta).

Your signature says Circumcision is satanic when I asked Mr. >D He laughed and said I?m not circumcised. laugh

unknownuser

Your signature says Circumcision is satanic when I asked Mr. > He laughed and said I?m not circumcised. laugh

So that's who you talk to (

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afridi220

So that's who you talk to (

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Oh so it was you standing behind me laugh

Bedouin

Your signature says Circumcision is satanic when I asked Mr. >D He laughed and said I?m not circumcised. laugh

Yeah, Mr. http//t1.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn65wRIDNBCaHBXMhttp//blogs.poz.com/paul/upload/satan.jpg
is probably more into extreme body mods ... simple circumcision .. pshaw, thats for amateurs.

Stop_Genital_Mutilation

I am posting my article again, but with a more detailed explanation...

MOST people believe (al-sol-laa-ta) means 'the ritual prayer'.
6116 And if you obey MOST people on Earth, they will divert you from the god's path. They follow only conjecture; they only guess.

I believe (al-sol-laa-ta) means 'the enjoinment' (something that is enjoined). For example, the god has enjoined upon humanity that we maintain a peaceful life...
319 Surely the obligation by the god is the keeping of peace...
...thus the enjoinment (whatever the god enjoined upon us) according to the context is to maintain peacefulness.

The following verse clearly shows that sol-laa-ta is NOT a ritual prayer. Looking at the context we can easily see that sol-laa-ta is something that is enjoined...
2441 Don't you realize that EVERYTHING in the heavens and the earth, EVEN THE BIRDS in formation, glorifies the god? EACH KNOWS IT'S SOL-LAA-TA and its glorification. The god is fully aware of everything they do.

The god says EVERYTHING knows it's sol-laa-ta EVEN THE BIRDS. If sol-laa-ta means ritual prayer then how do birds ritually pray? How do lions, tigers and bears perform their ritual prayer? Remember the god said EVERYTHING so how do subatomic particles (protons, neutrons, electrons) do their ritual prayer? How does a tree ritually pray? How about a blade of grass, a car, a house, a computer, a rock? Obviously these things do not know a ritual prayer, that would be absurd. But surely the god has enjoined upon everything in the universe a purpose/function/commitment/obligation and thus everything knows it's enjoinment (whatever the god has enjoined upon it).

The story of messenger Shu'ayb also confirms that sol-laa-ta is an enjoinment, NOT a ritual prayer...
1184-87 And to Midyan was their brother Shu'ayb, he said "My people, serve the god, you have no god besides it, and do not give short in the measure and weight. I see you in prosperity, and I fear for you the retribution of a period of time that is surrounding. And my people, give full measure and weight with justice, and do not hold back from the people what is theirs, and do not roam the land corrupting. What will remain for you with the god is far better if you trust. And I am not a guardian over you." They said "O Shu'ayb, DOES YOUR SOL-LAA-TA ORDER/INSTRUCT YOU that we leave what our fathers served, or that we do not do with our money as we please? You are the compassionate, the sane!"

If sol-laa-ta means ritual prayer then how does Shu'ayb's ritual prayer order/instruct him to tell people to serve the god alone, trade equitably and not corrupt the land? Obviously it IS possible to order/instruct someone to perform a ritual prayer, but it's NOT possible for a ritual prayer to order/instruct someone to do something. The only way to make sense of the context is if sol-laa-ta means something that was enjoined upon messenger Shu'ayb i.e. an enjoinment. The god commanded Shu'ayb to go to the transgressing nation and instruct them to be righteous so this commandment given to Shu'ayb became his enjoinment...
1187 They said "O Shu'ayb, DOES YOUR ENJOINMENT (whatever the god has enjoined upon you) ORDER/INSTRUCT YOU that we leave what our fathers served, or that we do not do with our money as we please? You are the compassionate, the sane!"

Here is another reference that shows sol-laa-ta means enjoinment...
1071 Do you notice who is denying with the obligation?
1072 Therefore such who MISTREATS THE ORPHANS...
1073 ...and DOESN'T ENCOURAGE THE FEEDING OF THE POOR...
1074 ...then woe to the MU-SOL-EEN...
1075 ...who are heedless of their SOL-LAA-TA.

If MU-SOL-EEN means 'praying people' and SOL-LAA-TA means 'ritual prayer' then why would the god say, "woe to the praying people who are heedless of their ritual prayer," when the context is talking about helping orphans and feeding the poor? Ritual prayers have NOTHING to do with helping orphans and feeding the poor.

Better translation...
1074 ...then woe to the PEOPLE WHO ENJOIN OTHERS (to help orphans and feed the poor)...
1075 ...who are heedless of their GOOD WORKS ENJOINED UPON THEM (like helping orphans and feeding the poor).

Literal translation...
1074 ...then woe to the ENJOINERS...
1075 ...who are heedless of their ENJOINMENT.

Those who still insist on blinding following their forefathers "salat = ritual prayer" despite the clear warning in 2170-171 then I ask...

How does EVERYTHING, INCLUDING BIRDS know it's RITUAL PRAYER according to 2441?
How does a RITUAL PRAYER order/instruct messenger Shu'ayb to tell people to serve the god alone, trade equitably and not corrupt the land according to 1184-87?
Why would the god say, "woe to the praying people who are heedless of their ritual prayer," when the context of 1071-5 is talking about helping orphans and feeding the poor?

It's time the smartest species on Earth give up their worthless rock worshiping based on their intentionally corrupted meaning of the Arabic word (al-sol-laa-ta)

javed1

Salam, Why would God ask us to do Wudu before "enjoinment".
Javed

raginggaijin

"Do you not see that Allah is He Whom do glorify all those who are in the heavens and the earth, and the (very) birds with expanded wings? He knows the prayer of each one and its glorification, and Allah is Cognizant of what they do." Surah 2441

Birds give glory to Allah
http//www.youtube.com/watch?v=yp84w2KEzTg
http//www.youtube.com/watch?v=O85yWSmqb_w

Do birds perform ablution? )
http//www.youtube.com/watch?v=WVyYhEleLGg

May Allah continue to guide us to the Truth.

Peace.

quickduck

Salam raginggaijin, all

"Do you not see that Allah is He Whom do glorify all those who are in the heavens and the earth, and the (very) birds with expanded wings? He knows the prayer of each one and its glorification, and Allah is Cognizant of what they do." Surah 2441

Birds give glory to Allah
http//www.youtube.com/watch?v=yp84w2KEzTg
http//www.youtube.com/watch?v=O85yWSmqb_w

Do birds perform ablution? )
http//www.youtube.com/watch?v=WVyYhEleLGg

May Allah continue to guide us to the Truth.

Peace.

1 - Nice videos, but...can you bring any other video where cars, rocks, atoms, protons or neutrons take their baths ??

2 - Can you tell us why should we "fulfill the enjoinement" specially in boths ends of the day ?

3 - is washing face, hands and feet and wiping our heads everytime we have to "fulfill the enjoinement" mandatory for us because it helps us being better "enjoiners" ??

4 - are the "physical positions" like standing (&#1605 , bowing (&#1593 and prosternating (&#1583 , parts of any "enjoining" processes ??

5 - what kind of "enjoinement" do we have to do not "at loud" and not "whispering", but prefered in a middle tone ???

I am a Quran Aloner and i believe "salat" IS a ritual prayer.

Peace all,

Mountaineer