There is No God.
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Salaam abdulraffi.
Corrections on my previous port on February 21, 2010, 012720 PM
Illah- but, except (ill? is a contraction of in-l?, literally if not)
Ilaha - my own understanding- a god (a concept conceived by a desperate need to believe in something supernatural). And of course the mainstream view -a god, deity, object of worship
Ilahun- a (single) god
WA ILAHU KUM ILAHUN WAHIDUL LA ILAHA ILLA HU WAR RAHMAN UR RAHEEM
2163 And Your God is One God; there is no god Only He, the Beneficent, the Merciful.If you look at the above sentence, you will notice some kind of contradiction with the ?No God? approach. The contradiction will cease to exist if one takes perspective into mind. Whoever* was saying this was approaching a people who had already a concept of god. Before I go on, Concepts are man made and Allah is not a concept it is reality. (The Hu in my humble opinion has mistranslated as ?He? when it should be actually ?It)?. The person* was giving an ultimatum, for he was playing a role of a warner.
He was trying to convince the folks that if there is a god at all, it should be one (or unique-?wahid?) and that one god is Allah. In my opinion, once the people were told about Allah not being a god but a source of energy and life and what not, they were expected to be convinced and follow through.2838 And Pharaoh said O commanders, I have not known of any god for you other than me**. Therefore, O Haamaan, fire-up the bricks and make for me a high platform, so perhaps I may take a look at the god of Moses; though I think he is one of the liars.
Waqala firAAawnu ya ayyuha almalao ma AAalimtu lakum min ilahin ghayree faawqid lee ya hamanu AAala altteeni faijAAal lee sarhan laAAallee attaliAAu ila ilahi moosa wainnee laathunnuhu mina alkathibeenaThe above also may give perspectives. Here, Pharoah (firuan) was talking about Moses and his ?god? for Moses had never heard of Allah. The Pharoah could only think at this level when it came to what was Moses serving. Again, if allah is a god, at this point allah is equal to pharaoh** which is not .
The other well known abused verse is 1886 Until he reached the setting of the sun; he found it setting at a hot spring, and he found a people near it. ?.
This verse has been used to criticize the quran having the idea of the sun setting in a hot spring!The person* was making references to earlier ideas/concepts about god. That is why we find ?god of moses?, ?god of jesus? appearing in the quran and this was to correct the misconceptions.
For some reason, and I think not for the good of mankind, the quran seems to talk about things in random rather than in a sequential way.
You may not agree with what I said, it is okay. I thought about perspectives and wrote it down first and then I compared with all available literature.
Let us all help each other while we are here?
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Hello folks,
Here is a little something....2163 Wailahukum ilahun wahidun la ilaha illa huwa alrrahmanu alrraheemu
2163 And Your God is One God; there is no god Only He, the Beneficent, the Merciful.
and finally a simplified equation
2163 And Your G is One G; there is no G Only He, the Beneficent, the Merciful.Peace...
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2163 And Your G is One G; there is no G Only He, the Beneficent, the Merciful.
Salaam
Rajah
even tho i and others may have some different opinions then yourself
please try show some respect for the quran, this isn't even funny translating like this you should be ashamed of yourself..
i thankyou for your previous posts and i will try to answer tommorrow inshallah -
Peace Rafi...
Nice to hear from you....'this isn't even funny translating like this you should be ashamed of yourself..'
No I am not ashamed of myself at all!..Those who should be are those who have translated the quran to please others...Big G small g..WTH? Those who should be ashamed... those who consider the (quranic) arabic to be holy language..those who buy stickers of Allah (of course the muhamad too) and treat it like talisman...
I found it rather funny...yes the way I put it, the 'G's and the final 'H'. It really looks likes an equation ...I don't expect it to be the funny for the rest..What I find goddamn* funny even much more is that 1400 yrs has passed since the 'appearance' of the quran,look at the 'muslim' world...It is not the translation, it is the understanding!!! of course, i only feel bad that some may take offense..that may hinder progress in the search for truth..My apologies if what i did might lead to that....I don't know if anyone really cares,I do not think the quran was written by a god or anything...It was written by men. It may have faults..proof? 2163..and a few more.The language is quite cryptic..subject matters all over the place... No one really speaks that language at home....BUT I respect the quran and the efforts of all those who made it a reality by preserving ideas form the past inspired by the creator..I believe after the council of nicea A.D. 325 some people put it (quran) together again..sorry no proof..just a thought...
Okay.enough of my rant...Remember, I did not make any direct attacks on anyone, I just did a number on a line from the quran.let the creator do a number on me if it wants to.that's it..anyone who wishes to do personal attacks on me..think twice..i can be the nasty ....
Okay back to subject proper, 2163 And Your God is One God; there is no god Only He, the Beneficent, the Merciful.
Come to think about it,The above line even looks like it is against the concept of monotheism which still requires a supernatural imaginary thing called god.Of course, we all have different opinions from each other-i respect that-whether anyone really cares about it or not!
Peace to all
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Salaam Elke,
I agree with you the second part of the Shahada is not really anything to do with the Shahada, Muhammad would never have said the second part, it would have been added afterwards, so it has no relevance in truth, as you point out, I could remove the reference to it altogether but it is the commonly recognised form.
If this was the only small point you found wrong, and we can agree on this also, you maybe interested in reading other concepts presented within the servant of the light.
Salaam Progressive1993,
the point you raise is well explained within the essay, did you not read the essay in full?
?Allah is really not a word. It is combination of words, or in English part of a sentence. The issue is how Arabic script was written. Common belief is that Arabic script is written as cursive.
The English language is Cursive, however, in English word separation is indicated by space. In contrast Arabic script can join words, but uses certain signs to indicate word separation. These are called Jezm and Sukoon
Gezm is used to indicated declinable words attached to other words.
Sukoon indicates a non Mutherick consonant in a non-declinable word.Words can be joined together as well. This joining is indicated by Teshdeed. This is the case with Allah.? Dr Badar Kanwar
I will explain why Allah is not God, as a shortened concept.
A God is an outside force, a personification that controls the universe, so requires outside of yourself worship, and demonstrates absolutely no physical evidence so requires blind faith, this God is the Christian, Jewish model, nothing to do with Islam.
Allah or not God emanates every atom of creation, from the inside out, this means you can only transform yourself from the inside out, so worshipping outside of yourself would be pointless, praying would be pointless, as Allah is closer than your jugular vein, there is no separation.
To understand the true nature of Allah, read ?Supreme Existence?, and ?Transfinite Consciousness?, posted on servant of the light.
Superb! I read this http//servantofthelight.com/content/view/7/1/
And in it you wrote
Some even believe themselves to be Gods, or equal to a god on this world. They should view it in this way, a man is a light bulb, as compared to a power station of infinite proportions, we cannot create the power, but simply shine from the power given to us from the power station, we cannot take more power than our capacity allows, if the power is removed we are in darkness, we have no function or purpose.
Check this out
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anyone who wishes to do personal attacks on me..think twice..i can be the nasty ....
Salaam
Rajah please take your threats elsewhere ,nobody's making personal attacks on you, i know my intentions here and that's to learn and try
distrubute the truth from what i can see i don't want to quarrel or wrangle over the quran as i know this is wrong and pointless, let alone argue with anybody...
why i said you should be ashamed allow me to elobrate i know from certain ayats i've seen that true believers when the hear the quran they sujuud and glorify Allah and ask for forgiveness
and from this knowledge I know they wouldn't be making jokes outta verses..I don't know if anyone really cares,I do not think the quran was written by a god or anything...It was written by men. It may have faults..proof? 2163..and a few more.The language is quite cryptic..subject matters all over the place... No one really speaks that language at home....BUT I respect the quran and the efforts of all those who made it a reality by preserving ideas form the past inspired by the creator..I believe after the council of nicea A.D. 325 some people put it (quran) together again..sorry no proof..just a thought...
ok so now the truth is shown ,
since you have doubts about Allah and the preservation of the quran read surah 159
i really don't know how we can discuss anything any further since everything i would present
that we could talk about would be from translations in wich you are in doubt over or believe men have written.
and i think this would be the same way with you too Abdun Nur after looking much at your site and understanding how you believe not in the translations that are presented from me ..
so to end it i will conclude that there no hard feelings to you both
the case belongs to Allah as best to know truth
to you both to your way is your way to mine is mine or to you your opinions and mine is mine..
i wish you both the best the vey best
Good day to you both )
Salaam
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Hello rafi....
"Rajah please take your threats elsewhere ,nobody's making personal attacks on you,"
I was ever attacked over ramadhan issue..it was not pointed at you....Me make no threats...me refer to me response to some one who attacked...you would not care of course..."why i said you should be ashamed allow me to elobrate i know from certain ayats i've seen that true believers when the hear the quran they sujuud and glorify Allah and ask for forgiveness and from this knowledge I know they wouldn't be making jokes outta verses.."
If you see (And Your God is One God; there is no god Only He) in the bible or any other books would you be saying the same? I am not saying you would think differently from how you did....
I would not call '2163 And Your G is One G; there is no G Only I' a 'joke', maybe an observation presented with a little humour...."ok so now the truth is shown , since you have doubts about Allah and the preservation of the quran read surah 159"
The quran was preserved by men...period. look at 2163 once again...Men make mistakes...so what if it is a newsman,messenger etc? Allah is Al-Haqq. Honestly I do not have doubts about allah,why should I? maybe a little about the quran and those who are behind it...again 1400 years......blah blah..
Maybe quran has been perfectly preserved, just take a look at our own quran only forum..*100+ pages on fasting maybe a little less on pilgrimage and 'prayer'.....The quran was preserved for what? For this *?"i really don't know how we can discuss anything any further since everything i would present that we could talk about would be from translations in which you are in doubt over or believe men have written"
My dear rafi, You don have to post anything in response to my posts if you do not wish to,right?.look at the rest of the many 4 star 5 star forum members who just did that-(you would probably say you don care.....) .But if you got anything you would like to share out of your own understanding, I would still want to hear it...esp about ila..Well if you want to ...maybe you want to visit the links....
Again I am not arguing,just defending my views and person....
Peacehttp//www.witness-pioneer.org/vil/Articles/shariah/ilah.htm
http//whyislam.org/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=14935
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Salaam OPF,
thank you, I'm glad you enjoyed reading it, Allah is the transfinite consciousness, the only consciousness to exist, or could exists if you understand the structure, have you read the essay 'Transfinite consciousness', it explains the structure and the Islamic concept of hell, not the adopted Christian concept, it also explains why you should not be in hell for a single second, due to circular time, I'm using the word hell only for reference.
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There's only one God, and that's Allah (SWT). Allah is referred to as ALLAH (meaning God) in the Qur'an.
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Salaam OurIslamic.COM,
you are required within Islam to apply reason and investigate the truth, both of which you have failed to do within your statement, you provide no evidence to support you contention, you present no evidence to stand against my fully explained view showing any flaws within the argument, you have simply stated conjecture, you demonstrate the reason that almost no Muslims now exist in the modern world, they follow blindly in traditions and conjecture, they never investigate nor prove anything to themselves. It states within the Qur'an you must prove everything to yourself as true, through investigation and the examination of evidence, even the verses of the Qur'an itself.
Present you proof!
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Peace Abdun Nur,
Allah is the transfinite consciousness, the only consciousness to exist, or could exists if you understand the structure, have you read the essay 'Transfinite consciousness', it explains the structure and the Islamic concept of hell, not the adopted Christian concept, it also explains why you should not be in hell for a single second, due to circular time, I'm using the word hell only for reference.
What do you think about "Allah", or this transfinite consciousness, being manifested within a physical body, as in the form of a Man? In other words, can "Allah" be anthropomorphic? If Islaam is the system taught by all the ancient prophets, and it is in fact the true nature of Man, then why did all the ancient cultures depict their God as a Man, an anthropomorphic deity?
In order for your idea of Allah to be correct, it has to match the ancient depiction of Allah as presented by the prophets, since Muhammad ibn Abdullah taught the same message they taught. And, according to the Qur'aan, this doctrine systematically generated itself as a religion/system since the origin of humanity. Therefore, theoretically, the prophet Muhammad taught the same thing as the ancient Akkadians, Sumerians, Egyptians, Ethiopians, etc. Yet, in their ancient cultural theologies, they ALL presented their supreme god as anthropomorphic, in the body of a Man. Even the ancient Jewish (Hebrew) writings depict Allah, or "Eloh", as a Divine presence in a physical body, having hands, arms, feet, eyes, a face, ears, a nose, a back, thighs, and hair, even to the point of depicting Him as sitting in a seat/chair/throne. We interpret these factors today as being figurative and metaphorical, but the ancient people interpreted these ideas very literally. In fact, even traditional (orthodox) Islaamic ideas implied this concept in the past. For example, according to the hadiyths, there were 360 idols in the Ka'aba in Mekka, and when Muhammad (re)established Islaam in Arabia, he reportedly destroyed "359" of them and said, "There is no god save Allah," implying that the one remaining idol was a depiction of the True God. Some Islaamic scholars said that the remaining idol was "molten" to become the black stone that Muslims revere during the hajj...
With all this said, do you think it's possible that "Allah" is a reality that can be composed in a physical form, i.e. a man's body? What does the Bible mean it says that man was made in the 'image and likeness' of Allah, and why does the Qur'aan call man Allah's "khalifa"/successor?
Peace!
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Salaam Ahmed Bilal,
what we perceive as physical is only perceived, as it is manifest thought, could you physically exist within your own thoughts, no.
A khalifa is an inheritor not a successor, we are each one of us an inheritor of life and this world.
The Christian bible, the Jewish torah, as hadith are pure conjecture and have absolutely no value of any sort, and should be disregarded completely.
The Sentence "Laa ilaaha illal Lahoo". Meanings " Laa- Nor there is, neither shall be, ilaaha= a deity for adoration and worship, illa= except or save, allahoo= One who nor is, neither shall be, a deity for worship and adoration.
Within an English sentence it would read
Neither there is, nor (ever) shall there be a deity for worship and adoration, save for the One, who neither is, nor (ever) shall be a deity for worship and adoration.This is clear in the expressing the concept of a transfinite consciousness.
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Peace Abdun Nur,
Your response doesn't answer the question in light of the ancient cultures. The Holy Qur'aan says that Muhammad taught the SAME MESSAGE as the former prophets and messengers, who date back to the time of Adam, possibly even before. Therefore, if your concept of ALLAH being identified as "he who is not a god" is correct, then all the other ancient cultures and traditional theologies would've portrayed Him the same way. And, by simply checking out the ancient world's history, it's pretty obvious that they DIDN'T depict Allah in this way at all. In fact, they depict Him as the One who IS a god, or God of the Gods. Therefore, your ideology is critically flawed. If you believe that your doctrine is the correct one, then it's a testament that the former ones are the INCORRECT ones, meaning the Qur'aan is wrong when it says that Muhammad taught the same theology as the ancients...
The literal definition of the word "khalifa" is SUCCESSOR, one who sits in the place of another in his (the other's) absense. It implies the idea that since God is not on the Earth as a physicality, then humans are to preside as God on Earth, or the physical manifestation of Allah. Translating it as "inheriter" is wrong, especially considering the fact that the Qur'aan repeated mentions those who received inheritances from their parents/relatives, and not one of them is called the (deceased) person's "khalifa"... An alternate concept of "khalifa", as some translators have identified it, is a REPRESENTATIVE, and this conveys nearly the same idea as a successor.
la = no
ilaha = god, deity
illa = but/save/except
allah = ?The word "ilaha" is a traditionalized form of saying "ilah" (or "ilaah", meaning god or deity; there is no question whether or not the word "ilah" and "allah" are related. The word "al" denotes singularity or absoluteness, making the word "allah" mean THE GOD, THE ONE GOD, ONLY GOD, ABSOLUTE GOD, or something of the sort. It couldn't possibly be translated as "he who is not god", since that not only goes against the grammatical usage, but it also goes against the contextual usage of the word itself. By your definition, the culturally acceptable shahaada should be, "La ilaha." Saying 'there is no god except for the one who is not god' makes absolutely no sense, mainly because of the word "ILLA"/except occuring in the statement. You can't worship nothing EXCEPT the one you're not going to worship - that doesn't make any sense. To be grammatically correct, it has to refer to a god, or The God, implying that a god is The God.
If all the previous scriptures are 100% conjecture, then why does the Qur'aan instruct us to examine these to determine the authenticity of our own scripture? Where are the "former scriptures" that the Qur'aan refers to? You don't actually believe that the Qur'aan is the ONLY book ever revealed to humanity, do you? Who were the warners before Muhammad, and what did they teach? Is the Universal message (of Allah) for the Arabs only?
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Salaam Ahmad,
if you check out the translation of the Qur'an that has been started on servantofthelight.com, you will see how far the corruption of the original understandings have been taken, this is due to the altering of the rules of grammar not the alteration of the original text.
If you consider Isa, if indeed he ever existed, do you think he would have any recognition of anything they attribute to him, not a single word of the bible was ever written by Isa.
More over, the Christian religion or death cult, was a direct copy of the Egyptian religion of Horus also known as Ra, a well established control system designed to subjugate the population to the will of a controlling elite.
It would be a certainty that Muhammad would be expressing the same message as Abraham, it is far more likely the message of Abraham had been lost, this is evident from the great number of religions that revolved around the Kabba, at the time of the Rasul Muhammad.
The Qur'an expresses many Christian concepts within translations, and hadith says many Jewish, Zoroastrian concepts, that have nothing to do with Islam.
Do you for example think I'bada means worship?
It does not, this is a Christian implant, an inaction, Islam demands action, I'bada means to serve Allah's creation and your fellow man, these confused Christian concepts have been implanted throughout the translations of the Qur'an, and so Islam has been lost; what we have today is Christian Islam, a travesty of confusion, hatred and misery.
Within the Christian dogma, the male God needs worship and adoration, as this is a method of human transference, they then take the worship and adoration themselves. The pope for example is the vicar of Christ, this in effect means the Pope would give guidance to Christ, as his confessor and priest, how ridiculous.
They have turned Islam on its head, I do not think a religious minded person could accept anything but the Christian model of a God for Worship and adoration, which is in direct opposition to the Islamic model.
As Islam condemns all religions as worthless and expresses itself as a Deen, which is not a religion of any sort.
We are asked repeatedly throughout the Qur'an to apply reason, how few do so.
You seem fixated on successor, but when you have succeed into life what do you do, do you inherit the world, and when you die what do you do, you pass all the physical efforts of this life on to your successors so they inherit the labours of your life. You can continue on in the Christian model, I care not one way or the other, but it is not Islam, this you will ultimately discover, I doubt anything I could ever say would alter you present state of mind.
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Dear Abdun Nur,
I have kept your ideas in my mind for a while now I did not want to think if by chance you maybe a bringer of news and I was rejecting a person of peace, and I kept pondering over what exactly you are saying, the medium which I follow, does not originate from the idea 'all religions are wrong' because, they look to Hinduism which is the oldest living religion and is regarded as being corrupted by manmade innovations, just as all main religions have been, but moreover it is understood that Hinduism is wrong. The personification of God, which you think is the focus of most religious people's devotion, comes from Hinduism which is polytheistic not from Abrahamic monotheism.
When we watch television or view a film, we see a world without parameters, a world where gods can exist, it always shows good triumphs over evil, and we do not ever go into the depths beyond despair, because when you despair they think there will come a hero or a god to take them out of it. But if they went further it will not be to most people's taste.
Regardless of your affirmatiion and understanding of Allah, we are told there is only one God which is English for the Arabic word Allah, in order to not confuse people into thinking there is a distinction, though I understand your position God is male gendered whereas Allah is genderless. But if you want to break down Arabic as it is understood by most, then go ahead, though it may be an attempt to deconstruct.
The Quran says if there were any other God besides God there would be chaos, so the fact there is no chaos in creation shows the Omniscience, Omnipotence and Omnipresence of God. in the words of Abraham when he was in the company of a King, when Abraham told him my Lord creates life and causes death, he responded I can too, but then Abraham says my Lord causes the sun to rise from the East, you make it rise from the West. With this the King is stumped, but do you understand there would be chaos if there were any other than God, the Creator, the Designer and the Initiator.
You may think I am talking in cofusion, but I think you fail to acknowledge the one who forbade worship, as the Quran says.
Primarily even in Hinduism in the Gayetri Mantra, which is quoted by submitters and Dr.Khalifa, there is the mention of worship of God, who is the Omniscient, the Omnipotent, the Omnipresent, and by devotion to God it sharpens the intellect.
Let us meditate on God, His glorious attributes,
who is the basis of everything in this universe as its Creator,
who is fit to be worshiped as Omnipresent, Omnipotent, Omniscient
and self existent concious being,
who removes all ignorance and impurities from the mind
and purifies and sharpens the intellect.The only chaos is on earth which exist between people of peace. Muslims who bear witness there is no other god besides God against people of greed, hatred, pride, malice, envy and lust, the Satanists, who think there can be another god.
peace
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Salaam asubmitter,
is not the proper noun (name) of our Rabb. It actually stands for allathi = who, La = not and finally illah . This would mean ?One who is not illah?.
If one were to incorporate the real meanings of the word ?illah? into the translation; this word, which actually is a phrase would mean ?One who is not a deity for adoration or worship?.
You should ask yourself this question if your perspective is correct, as it is the dominant perspective of all religious people, where is Islam?
If Islam existed would the world be so full of suffering, slavery, war, usury, hatred, confusion, deception, subjugation and religions?
It would not, Islam does not exist in the world today.
You may continue in ignorance if you wish asubmitter, you can say no God but God, and think it makes some sense, when it is a ridiculous statement of futile irrelevance, like saying I don't exist, but I do exist.
"The easy confidence with which I know another man's religion is folly, teaches me to suspect that my own is also"
Mark TwainAll religion is against Islam, without exception, as all religions are the result of God worship, and both these concepts of God and worship are diseases of the mind, very infectious and destructive.
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salaam Abdun Nur,
I was talking to someone else earlier, and it felt as though there maybe an element of seduction in what he was saying, I think it is a question of love, some will argue well what is love, some will leave the question and instead understand it not in terms of definition and meaning of words but in terms of action, we say by giving is an act of love. Also we know God by His attributes rather through your definition of a transfinite dichotomy, which does not seem to suit most people because they would not know what it is, the attributes can give a lot of insight into the nature of God, the Omniscient, the Omnipotent and the Omnipresent. We say there is nothing we can point to in the universe and define as god, but we know God is Omnipresent. Through saying no God but God, we become absolutist in that we do not commit idolatry. i think Islam explains many things, from when and how to prayer, and where it originated from, as well as all the rites of Islam which come from Abraham. The Quran teaches that God and His messengers will most assuredly win, in many aspects there has been victory, but through light, love and peace, not through darkness hatred and war. With the deliverance of the message, the Final scripture, through Muhammad, was a victory, against the odds he was guided and the book was complete and is with us in its preserved manuscript which is the only religious scripture to have survived in its original text and language, here is the fulfillment of the prophecy that God will preserve the Quran. But then 1400 years later, when the world became more sophisticated and had the ability to do long mathematical problems through computers, then it was discovered that the code 19, was what preserved the Quran, and also it showed conclusively that Rashad was one of the messengers. It also pointed to an addition in the Quran, which was not part of the original because it broke up the Quranic code, as well evidence from other sources which point to an addition. Corruption does not last forever, ask any drug user. Now by the will of God, another new sign has been presented, which distills to the finest purity and to its simplest form, from which many things, the sciences the arts the classics are all based upon. I think you cannot come out of the blue with something you feel is right, without it being verifiable and given with proof, where has any of this allathee la... thingy originated from. Once it exist, then we can look at it, but prior to its existence then how can anyone say it exists. There is a time and place for everything, and that is a big philosophy, very big. I do not ask who thought of the concept mind, body and soul but I know it exist, the BBC and the atheist will try avoid the soul, and just focus on mind and body, but there are three tenses to time, not just future and present there is also past. not just philosophy of the certainty of the mind, languages of the expression of the body in the present moment, but also history of the learning from the past, the soul. Knowledge, power and wisdom. I think you have failed to learn from the past, by totally viewing it as wrong, because Islam has not appeared, but do you know the future. Rashad Khalifa said Islam would appear in the next 20 to 50 years.
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Salaam asubmitter,
you think you love a God, but you fail to define love, would you kill for your God, would you force your perception of your Gods laws upon the community around you, would you instil your religion upon the minds of the young?
Would you suffer for your God, if another's perception of there Gods laws conflicted with yours and they forced you in subjugation to there perceptions, or would you fight these to the death, imprisonment, poverty?
You have found yourself a personification to follow in the form of Rashad Khalifa, I follow no man.
Through Muhammad we gained the Qur'an, it is the Qur'an that is important not Muhammad, he was the Rasul, messenger of Allah, so the message is the relevant aspect of Muhammad's existence.
I truly have very little interest in the Rasul Muhammad beyond his message, if the single consciousness has given us a message to follow, why do the religious ignore the message, and follow the conjecture of others attributed to the messenger, what has the messenger to do with the message beyond its expression?
This is the problem with religion, it needs personifications to follow and manufacture conjecture around.
But love is simple to understand; it is unconditional and invasive, it nurtures and it expands, it only requires a single thing in response; its reflection.
Can you see the reflection of your actions in the world, the reflection of your thoughts, the reflection of your confusions?
You wish to learn from the past, and because I do not follow the confusions of the past you think I have failed to learn from the past?
You have failed to learn from the past, not I, you accept blindly, the foundation of being Muslim is the establishment and development of reason, look at recent history, over a million Christianised Muslims were murdered in Iraq, they followed the same religious confusions as you, were is the reflected love of your God?
I see the world and consider its history in depth, do you?
I have written a great deal on history, if you visit my website you may read these.
I do not romanticise the past to fit a dream perception of history as you, I wish to consider it based on the results of events rather than the events themselves, if you wish to understand history the only truths that can be determined with confidence are the results, as the histories are often half truths or concoctions of the victors, only the results can not be altered.
Is this not the same method Allah applies, are we not the result of this life?
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Have you studied the Quran? Or do you blindly follow your own assumption of what the text is saying. Because I have some excerpts of your translation, and what you say totally differs from what the Quran is simply putting forth.
Now I see you enter the realms of confusion. Just as you throw and spat at others for their confusions, it has inevitably backfired and you have succumbed to it also.
We look for light, love and peace, but we are not sanatising the world from pain and suffering, creating some sort of apartheid, enslaving people to capitalism, and fascist ideas of better or worse. The soul is what we refer to, not the mind, because the mind can only know things by its opposites, whereas the soul is eternal and can transcend the pitfalls of temporality. We do not try to focus our sight on one thing, like a sharp laser, because energy wise it become very wasteful and will lead to deterioration of the eyesight due to wasting it on penetration rather than having a wholesome viewpoint. What is the point of penetration when all things are governed by the Almighty, and we will only be able to stop it at some level, but cannot overall change a thing. We look to justice in our elders, equality in our youths, and freedom in our children. Let me focus on equality in our youths, when we see people less fortunate do we have a heart for them, or do we try and capitalise on others weaknesses. It is about love, because with it we can change the whole picture instead of focussing on one small particular. Do you see nothing? What is the fight or the war for? What is the darkness and the greed for? what is the hatred and lust for? Do you know everything? Do you learn the eternal truth?
It is a whole different outlook on life, some will try and do things in small things, and think in causality it will lead to larger things, some will try to enlighten the chaos by making more development of ease and less difficulties, others will by the will of God, view the whole rather than be stuck to a particular, they can let go, and it will stil return to it self, in a state of flux and reflux whereas others cannot let go and it will turn out differentlym because of selfishness. Now view the animals, the protection of mothers of their young, the survival and the fact you have to kill to eat and live, be it animals or plants. We are not trying to sanatise the world from pain and suffering, because they are a natural fact of life. But sadism is differently to feeding, and cruelty is also different.
How can you say the following
You have found yourself a personification to follow in the form of Rashad Khalifa, I follow no man.
Through Muhammad we gained the Qur'an, it is the Qur'an that is important not Muhammad, he was the Rasul, messenger of Allah, so the message is the relevant aspect of Muhammad's existence.
God sends His messengers, we are told in the Quran the believers believe in God, His angels and His messengers, and does not distinguish between the messengers. The Quran being preserved in its original text and language, is welcomed, but only now do we know it wasn't force or inviobality that preserved it, it was the mathamatical code based on nineteen. I you look down on your keyboard which you type on, and look to the numbers and see how many numbers there are, excluding zero because it isn't a number, you will see it go from 1 to 9, the First and Last, Alpha and Omega, awal wal akhir.
Scientist can try and define love or whatever in laboratories, but life is not a rehearsal, it happens out of the will of God, we are not robots, we know knowledge of the future, we observe power of the present, and we learn wisdom of the past.