It's no coincidence 19 is so important to Baha'is! It's related to code 19...
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So your telling me that there is not a constant rule or Law?
That it changes over time according to how Society is?This doesnt make any sense. I thnk there is a Divine Law that is Consistant and Constant throughout the ages.
What this looks liketo me is a Religion that has mixed in all the "Good" aspects of Other Religions, Elevated a founder, included mysterious alchemy-type of symbolism, built their mansion and Jusice House in Israel (haha very Ironic to have a Justice house in israel huh?) and then creates new laws to superceed old ones as society Progresses (or regresses) according to their beliefs.
If Prophet Muhammad was the "Comforter" and the Prophesized one who will Unite the world under the banner of Submission, why would there be a need to include New Prophets over and over and over and over again? whats the Purpose of that?
If Muhammad fulfilled his Duty, then why introduce a new religion/person?Hasent This day your religion has been Perfected?
Also, Do Bahi's view Israel as an Oppressive Force or are they Cool with Israel since the "House of Justice" is located there?
Do you at all see the Irony in that?------EDIT------------------
Khan, tell me about the Meetings.
Is this True Or Hearsay, that in the Bahi faith there are Confedential meetings in which you must meet with a Master/teacher to perhaps advise you on certain aspects of the Religion? have you heard of these types of Confedential/Secrete Meetings?
If so, why would they have to be Secrete?
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In that case, divine revelation should have revealed by Abraham, and Abraham alone, right? If revelation was constantly the same, there wouldn't have been any need for other revelations.
I've already explained on how irrelevant the topic of symbols really is.
The Baha'i faith has been based in the Holy Land since the days of Baha'u'llah. He was exiled to the Ottoman Empire by the Shah of Iran, then the Caliph of the Ottoman Empire exiled him to the prison-city of Akka. During this period, the remains of the Bab were transferred to the holy land, and his resting place lies on mount Carmel. When the governor of Akka relaxed Baha'u'llah's terms of imprisonment, he went to the foothills of Mount Carmel and revealed the tablet confirming the establishment of the future UHJ, thereby fulfilling a major biblical prophecy. Ever since that period, the Baha'i faith has been firmly established in the holy land, regardless of which regime controlled the territory, whether it was the the Ottoman Empire, the British mandate of Palestine, or the state of Israel. We don't engage in partisan politics, and respect the laws of the countries where we reside.
Where was no 'Israel' back then, and the very topic of 'Zionism' was unheard of. However, since 1844, the Ottoman Empire did allow European Jews to 'emigrate' to the holy land, once again fulfilling major Islamic/Biblical prophecies.
Muhammad fulfilled his duty and ended the tyranny of the tribes of Arabia. Islam expanded and introduced science and civilisation to the world. The fruits of Islam established themselves rendering powerful Islamic Empires which bought culture and prosperity.
Where is that now? Just like how Christianity collapsed and ushered in the dark ages in Europe, the same has happened to the Islamic world. You have groups like the militants of Somalia, who stone rape victims to death, ruining the beautiful name of Islam. You have groups like the submitters, who assert that only those who believe in their numerology are free from shirk. You have the Ayatollahs of Iran, who pass fatwas allowing prison guards to rape victims as torture, who break every known ordinance in the Qur'an. You have groups on the internet, trying to link symbols and structures to Satan, cursing and vilifying certain individuals like Madonna, who has done many charitable activities for the poor in many countries. Again, not one of these people have implemented a single teaching of the Qur'an, not even the simple forms of etiquette http//www.free-minds.org/etiquette
I went on a personal quest to find a single Muslim who follows the teachings of the Qur'an. I found many of them. They call themselves Baha'is.
Khan, tell me about the Meetings.
Is this True Or Hearsay, that in the Bahi faith there are Confedential meetings in which you must meet with a Master/teacher to perhaps advise you on certain aspects of the Religion? have you heard of these types of Confedential/Secrete Meetings?
If so, why would they have to be Secrete?
Utter rubbish!
We have devotional meetings. We meet, in groups, pray, discuss the holy writings, and perhaps eat if the host has invited us for dinner. There's no clergy or such in the Baha'i faith. I personally have contacted the Universal House of Justice regarding the use of a particular controversial medicine. One of our LSA members was a close friend of many important early Baha'i figures, including the wife of the guardian.
Also, regarding the state of Israel, we don't engage in any politics. We are, however, concerned for human rights, and strive to help oppressed people in all countries regarding of nationality. We help by providing aid, many Baha'i-inspired NGOs such as the Tahirih foundation help female victims who are abused all over the world, etc.
I find the topic of Israel to be fascinating. While the state of Israel was responsible for 1,141 civillian deaths in the 2006 Lebanon war, nobody commented on 280,000 dead in the Darfur genocide. Muslims killing black-skinned Muslims, and no major response from any Islamic country.
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You dont believe that Madonna, Lady ga-ga and other individuals practice Occultic things?
I am sorry sir, but I think it is rather very obvious. Regurdless of the Charity that is beind done by these individuals (which I do respect that part), There is TONS of other things being Presented.
I am sure that Jay Z, president bush, and others have done charity. but that is irrelevant to what that are invovled in.Anyways, If that is what you feel then the choice is yours. To me, I feel I can disagree with many aspects of Bahism, as I do anyother religion, however agree on the commonality that we share. and by this Commonality, I feel we all can coexist.
As far as your last post goes, Yes I know that After Abraham came many other Prophets, However, in the Quran it says The Religion has been Perfected (i.e. Completed) and Muhammad is the Seal, as well as giving news that judgement day is comming, and no mention of a new and comming prophet.
as far as I believe, Muhammad is the Last Prophet and Islam is the Solution.I guess we interpret Judgment day, seal, and the Quran in a very different way.
so, I say Good day. ;D
Well I believe that Most Islamic Countries are appart of the Evil Agenda, and are just as guilty as Isreal is as they work for the same employer.
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As I have been looking at some bahi things online,
I find it incredibly hard to believe that the supposed "great religion" forbids Adultery/Fornication by making the Rich pay a Tax and the Poor given Immunity.
This seems almost Identical to the Current System in place today. It seems like it does not solve the Society Problem of Adultery but rather encourages it.
also, someone braught up the Issue about no women Leaders, which I find not very cool.
Did this Suprise you when you looked up Bahi faith?
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It's a fine, not a tax. The main purpose of it, according to Abdul Baha, is to let the public know about the shameful act. The monetary value is irrelevant.
Backbiting and gossip are strictly forbidden, hence, this fine seeks to bring the incident to public knowledge without these two shameful acts also taking place.
In this day and age, 90 lashes is considered a violation of human rights, but it was a perfect punishment during prophet Muhammad's time, judging as per how barbaric society was back then. For example, did you know that unmarried adulterers in China were punished by being locked in a basket, and killed by being thrown into a river or pond?
Similar to how that law was less harmful than other punishment methods, this law is considered by us as ideal for this dispensation. It beats western laws on adultery, which encourage it and promote the expansion of harmful STD's, teenage pregnancies, etc.
Regarding women leaders, the Baha'i faith encourages the participation of women in all fields of development, including administration. In the tablets to the rulers of the world, Baha'u'llah praised Queen Victoria for being a strong leader who allotted human rights to her citizens. Abdul Baha has said that if more women would rule, the world would be at peace, and would have tremendous development.
Women are allowed to be elected to all Baha'i institutions, except the 9-member Universal House of Justice. Abdul Baha has made it clear that the reason for this will be clear and evident in the future.
Ie, once a Baha'i government is established in a given country, the National Spiritual Assembly is encouraged to elect a female ruler, as the Baha'i writings give importance to women in administration and education. For instance, if a family cannot afford to educate all of its children, it is necessary to educate the female children first, as women are the first educaters in a family.
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Peace Khan,
But I totally disagree,
I think the 100 lashes serves a great deal even in todays society.
Human right Volations? Human rights violations is a fallable declearation that is based off of the Ever-changing opinions of the Elite.TRUE human rights violations are described in the Quran. It is Not against Human rights to punish a muslim by lashing them 100 times.
Actually, That's what the Muslim Sighned up for in the First place. You dont join a group until you understand their rules....and therefore any muslim who joined Islam, should know that the punishment is 100 lashes for adulters.So, because of Consent (being muslim) it is Not against Human Rights.
It seems to me that Bahi faith is very Convienient.
As an Indigent, it would be very easy for me to commit adultery, and as a Wealthy person, a fee would also be very easy.Its similar to how Coke-acola General Electric, IBM, and other Corporations pay Millions of Dollars in Fines for their Evil Actions against Humanity and the Enviornment, yet continue to do it, and continue to pay for it. So really as long as you have money, you can Pay for whatever you want.
This is the capitalist mindset.
No Offense Brother, But this Bahi faith seems more to me like a Politcal Movement.
A religion that is univeral enough for All people of all faiths to come togeather and practice their religion while still allowing the other Elite powers to carry on with their agenda. A religion where instead of Changing Society to Fit Religion....Religion is Changed to Fit Society.So then, in other words...Society Dictates what laws to follow overtime and God has to just change for US....instead of Us chaning for him?
astagfirullah.I would HATE to be in earth when it gets SUPER bad.... I wonder what New Bahi rules will be in place?
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You know, I never questioned the lashes law. It was, after all, a divine law.
To me, society will progress to one based on love, and not of fear. It's called spiral dynamics, a psychological topic. This is my own personal interpretation.
Hence, these laws will be irrelevant and rarely imposed, as society is bound to progress to one which prevents such acts from occurring, rather than punish them. The punishments will be imposed in rare cases when these acts actually do occur.
Actually, if you keep committing the act over and over again, you will lose your voting rights, not to mention your standing in the community.
The Baha'i faith also has a number of economic policies unique which will tackle all the setbacks of capitalism and socialism.
To us society is changing because of the revelation. It is an expected outcome, and has already occured in the past. Ever looked into what Roman society was before Christianity spread, or Arab polytheistic society before Islam?
Baha'u'llah revealed concepts such as equality of men and women, complete literacy and education, human rights, abolition of slavery, when these topics were not discussed in most parts of the west (except slavery, which was now practiced mainly in South America), let alone the middle east. In fact, the last country to abolish slavery was Mauritania in 1980, and slavery continues to persist in Sudan and Mali to this day, albeit in secret. Two million children are enslaved in the sex trade all over the world.
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Meh, I don't believe in conspiracy theories. They're all rubbish. /
Of course they are. And Baha'is are the FIRST IN LINE supporting a World Government, a One World Power.
You officially support the NWO, and lobby at their confrences. I have read the Baha'i memos in the past supporting the UN even, along with the IMF provisions to enslave countries and lead them to a Global Government.
Baha'is are so naive to believe that if a government was given LITERALLY "all the power in the world", that they would use it to better humanity... But you know the saying, "power corrupts, and absolute power corrupts absolutely". The truth of the matter is that the global elite want to create a Technocracy... A world of lords and surfs, in which the surfs have no freedom, and are found mates by analyzing their genetics to create a perfect race of slaves in which the population is completely controlled through eugenics. You really think that eugenics died after the Nazis were destroyed?
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Nomadic hunter gatherers -> Tribal nomads -> Settled tribes (villages), beginning of agriculture -> Alliance of tribes, building of city-states/minor kingdoms -> Feudal type societies (Persian satrapies being the earliest form) -> Unitary states -> Federations -> Inter-continental federations -> One world federation of nations -> ?
It's all part of evolution. An intelligent organism (which is man) can no longer survive with today's technology if it continues to be at war with itself. As Albert Einstein said - "I don't know what weapons World War III will be fought with, but World War IV will be fought with sticks and stones".
When it comes to the UNO, we're mainly involved in humanitarian work. We don't meddle with politics.
Regarding our electoral system, we do not have campaigning and any form of partisanism. Voters elect people into the spiritual assemblies based on their character, rather than the money they received from a 'certain' organisation.
Regarding currency, we do indeed support a single currency. However, the fines in the Kitab-i-Aqdas are based on a value of gold. So it's highly likely that the currency will be pegged to the gold standard with implementations to prevent hyperinflation, such as what happened in the Ming dynasty after the Yuan dynasty's fiat currency was abolished, or the mass inflation which followed when Thomas Jefferson refused to renew the second bank of America's license.
I don't want to get into details, but I have spent nearly two years reviewing various conspiracy theories (from David Icke to Noreagaa films), and I do believe I have the right to call them rubbish.
Good day.
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Hi Friends,
As for the Baha'i faith. It has been divided into many small sects. Although Baha'i faith claims to have 6 million on so adherents in actuality it has very little followers. And in this small CULT (Bahaism) there are around 17 sects all calling itself to be true Baha'i Religion. There are many who does not follow the Haifa Based (all male, infallible) Universal House of (In)justice and follow some guardians. Some are against the "Administrative System" of the cult that operates like a "MULTINATIONAL COMPANY". Some does not like the RUHI BOOKS. Yes, this is fact and internet is full of such stories.
So when this so called New religion cannot unite its own adherents how is it going to bring the world peace? When they are told to boycott (Shun) the critics / reformers (COVENANT BREAKERS) and "COVENANT BREAKERS" (Those who do not follow the Administrative System) and creating problems for the HAIFA BASED BAHAISM and they cannot sort out their own differences, how they are going to unite the human kind.
Friends can see this video presentation here
http//www.youtube.com/watch?v=WYnjWvjHf1oThe claims of all the sects are very valid. If anybody is really interested in studying Bahaism, please do study the claims of every SECT in detail, it is very important.
This site can also be accessed for detailed study
http//www.sectsofbahais.com