There is No God.
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salaam Abdun Nur,
I was talking to someone else earlier, and it felt as though there maybe an element of seduction in what he was saying, I think it is a question of love, some will argue well what is love, some will leave the question and instead understand it not in terms of definition and meaning of words but in terms of action, we say by giving is an act of love. Also we know God by His attributes rather through your definition of a transfinite dichotomy, which does not seem to suit most people because they would not know what it is, the attributes can give a lot of insight into the nature of God, the Omniscient, the Omnipotent and the Omnipresent. We say there is nothing we can point to in the universe and define as god, but we know God is Omnipresent. Through saying no God but God, we become absolutist in that we do not commit idolatry. i think Islam explains many things, from when and how to prayer, and where it originated from, as well as all the rites of Islam which come from Abraham. The Quran teaches that God and His messengers will most assuredly win, in many aspects there has been victory, but through light, love and peace, not through darkness hatred and war. With the deliverance of the message, the Final scripture, through Muhammad, was a victory, against the odds he was guided and the book was complete and is with us in its preserved manuscript which is the only religious scripture to have survived in its original text and language, here is the fulfillment of the prophecy that God will preserve the Quran. But then 1400 years later, when the world became more sophisticated and had the ability to do long mathematical problems through computers, then it was discovered that the code 19, was what preserved the Quran, and also it showed conclusively that Rashad was one of the messengers. It also pointed to an addition in the Quran, which was not part of the original because it broke up the Quranic code, as well evidence from other sources which point to an addition. Corruption does not last forever, ask any drug user. Now by the will of God, another new sign has been presented, which distills to the finest purity and to its simplest form, from which many things, the sciences the arts the classics are all based upon. I think you cannot come out of the blue with something you feel is right, without it being verifiable and given with proof, where has any of this allathee la... thingy originated from. Once it exist, then we can look at it, but prior to its existence then how can anyone say it exists. There is a time and place for everything, and that is a big philosophy, very big. I do not ask who thought of the concept mind, body and soul but I know it exist, the BBC and the atheist will try avoid the soul, and just focus on mind and body, but there are three tenses to time, not just future and present there is also past. not just philosophy of the certainty of the mind, languages of the expression of the body in the present moment, but also history of the learning from the past, the soul. Knowledge, power and wisdom. I think you have failed to learn from the past, by totally viewing it as wrong, because Islam has not appeared, but do you know the future. Rashad Khalifa said Islam would appear in the next 20 to 50 years.
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Salaam asubmitter,
you think you love a God, but you fail to define love, would you kill for your God, would you force your perception of your Gods laws upon the community around you, would you instil your religion upon the minds of the young?
Would you suffer for your God, if another's perception of there Gods laws conflicted with yours and they forced you in subjugation to there perceptions, or would you fight these to the death, imprisonment, poverty?
You have found yourself a personification to follow in the form of Rashad Khalifa, I follow no man.
Through Muhammad we gained the Qur'an, it is the Qur'an that is important not Muhammad, he was the Rasul, messenger of Allah, so the message is the relevant aspect of Muhammad's existence.
I truly have very little interest in the Rasul Muhammad beyond his message, if the single consciousness has given us a message to follow, why do the religious ignore the message, and follow the conjecture of others attributed to the messenger, what has the messenger to do with the message beyond its expression?
This is the problem with religion, it needs personifications to follow and manufacture conjecture around.
But love is simple to understand; it is unconditional and invasive, it nurtures and it expands, it only requires a single thing in response; its reflection.
Can you see the reflection of your actions in the world, the reflection of your thoughts, the reflection of your confusions?
You wish to learn from the past, and because I do not follow the confusions of the past you think I have failed to learn from the past?
You have failed to learn from the past, not I, you accept blindly, the foundation of being Muslim is the establishment and development of reason, look at recent history, over a million Christianised Muslims were murdered in Iraq, they followed the same religious confusions as you, were is the reflected love of your God?
I see the world and consider its history in depth, do you?
I have written a great deal on history, if you visit my website you may read these.
I do not romanticise the past to fit a dream perception of history as you, I wish to consider it based on the results of events rather than the events themselves, if you wish to understand history the only truths that can be determined with confidence are the results, as the histories are often half truths or concoctions of the victors, only the results can not be altered.
Is this not the same method Allah applies, are we not the result of this life?
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Have you studied the Quran? Or do you blindly follow your own assumption of what the text is saying. Because I have some excerpts of your translation, and what you say totally differs from what the Quran is simply putting forth.
Now I see you enter the realms of confusion. Just as you throw and spat at others for their confusions, it has inevitably backfired and you have succumbed to it also.
We look for light, love and peace, but we are not sanatising the world from pain and suffering, creating some sort of apartheid, enslaving people to capitalism, and fascist ideas of better or worse. The soul is what we refer to, not the mind, because the mind can only know things by its opposites, whereas the soul is eternal and can transcend the pitfalls of temporality. We do not try to focus our sight on one thing, like a sharp laser, because energy wise it become very wasteful and will lead to deterioration of the eyesight due to wasting it on penetration rather than having a wholesome viewpoint. What is the point of penetration when all things are governed by the Almighty, and we will only be able to stop it at some level, but cannot overall change a thing. We look to justice in our elders, equality in our youths, and freedom in our children. Let me focus on equality in our youths, when we see people less fortunate do we have a heart for them, or do we try and capitalise on others weaknesses. It is about love, because with it we can change the whole picture instead of focussing on one small particular. Do you see nothing? What is the fight or the war for? What is the darkness and the greed for? what is the hatred and lust for? Do you know everything? Do you learn the eternal truth?
It is a whole different outlook on life, some will try and do things in small things, and think in causality it will lead to larger things, some will try to enlighten the chaos by making more development of ease and less difficulties, others will by the will of God, view the whole rather than be stuck to a particular, they can let go, and it will stil return to it self, in a state of flux and reflux whereas others cannot let go and it will turn out differentlym because of selfishness. Now view the animals, the protection of mothers of their young, the survival and the fact you have to kill to eat and live, be it animals or plants. We are not trying to sanatise the world from pain and suffering, because they are a natural fact of life. But sadism is differently to feeding, and cruelty is also different.
How can you say the following
You have found yourself a personification to follow in the form of Rashad Khalifa, I follow no man.
Through Muhammad we gained the Qur'an, it is the Qur'an that is important not Muhammad, he was the Rasul, messenger of Allah, so the message is the relevant aspect of Muhammad's existence.
God sends His messengers, we are told in the Quran the believers believe in God, His angels and His messengers, and does not distinguish between the messengers. The Quran being preserved in its original text and language, is welcomed, but only now do we know it wasn't force or inviobality that preserved it, it was the mathamatical code based on nineteen. I you look down on your keyboard which you type on, and look to the numbers and see how many numbers there are, excluding zero because it isn't a number, you will see it go from 1 to 9, the First and Last, Alpha and Omega, awal wal akhir.
Scientist can try and define love or whatever in laboratories, but life is not a rehearsal, it happens out of the will of God, we are not robots, we know knowledge of the future, we observe power of the present, and we learn wisdom of the past.
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And so there was the Hindu reasoning, of milk, since no animal and no plant was killed, so they rever the milk, and make gods out of cows. But why can you not just drink water? I understand water has many diseases, whereas fresh milk is more safer. If plants did not feel pain or felt death then why would it protect itself with poison and thorns and other things, it is about survival. If there is a will there is a way. Sjame I cannot put this in my book, as it is forum threads, rather than plain text, plus I have omitted various extracts over the past three years, but will leave it as it is.
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Salaam asumbitter,
you are all over the place, you have no logic or reason to your statements, and just rant on disjointed, you seem to value the number 19, to what point?
What benefit is the number 19, it is irrelevant no more important than any other number?
You think it proves something, what, what does it teach you, how will it improve your actions, understandings, reasoning, life?
It is a pointless waste of my time explaining anything to a person so deeply invested in religion, it would not be possible to change anything you hold as true, no matter what anyone said, proved or explained you would never hear it, so why are you continuing to add to this thread, stop writing nothing of value to anyone, chat to other religious god worshipers, don't waste my time and yours.
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salaam abdun nur
What benefit is the number 19, it is irrelevant no more important than any other number?
You think it proves something, what, what does it teach you, how will it improve your actions, understandings, reasoning, life?
It clears the confusion, I see you use sources other than the Quran, trying to depict how the revelations were sent and where, and what dream like state Muhammad had meditated himself into. they may be fascinating stories, but stories nonetheless. But rightly you will think why should I not accept them, after all there is nothing holding me back from right and wrong from truth and lies. This is why I accept the number19, because not only does it mean I have guidance but the only guidance worth having which is the Quran, no other, no other sources except the message that Prophet Muhammad wrote with his own hand.
As for what you write on your website, there is very little information, there are only one or two articles of interest, and I don't know what you see in your writing, but it doesn't come across in the reader.
Galileo said God created the universe with mathematics. The creation of the heavens and the earth took seven days. Ever read about how different creatures in certain species, like birds spend in the egg are mutliples of certain numbers. Numbers are relevant.
It is a pointless waste of my time explaining anything to a person so deeply invested in religion, it would not be possible to change anything you hold as true, no matter what anyone said, proved or explained you would never hear it, so why are you continuing to add to this thread, stop writing nothing of value to anyone, chat to other religious god worshipers, don't waste my time and yours.
Maybe it is a waste of time but I couldn't help but be spurred on by the athiestic title to this thread 'there is no god', because you were attracting attention to yourself, and I thought I could re align your thinking. You deny a lot aspect of the written word of the Quran, and again I feel you are misguiding people, you ask me to prove it, and here in the past few threads I attempted to.
Let me point you into direction I follow, the Quran teaches ' anyone who denounces the devil and believes in God, has grasped the strongest bond one that never breaks.' (3122)
peace
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Salaam asubmitter,
as I said it is pointless explaining anything to you, please follow whatever you wish, I have no interest in you accepting anything I say, nor anyone else, they must apply reason and investigate all things of interest to them, I present my views and conclusions based on my investigations, you present the conjecture of others and have faith it is correct, I do not mislead anyone, I wish them to investigate the truth, you on the other hand have investigated nothing, but wish to lead others down your path of conjecture so confusion.
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Abdun Nur, no offense but you're an obscurantist svengali. I read your posts and to me, you're no different from the religious conmen you despise so much.
Quran 2/163 And your god is One god There is no god but He, Most Gracious, Most Merciful
Here the word Allah is not mentioned at all. So there IS an ilah and he is ONE ilah. THAT'S what it means by 'laa ilaha illa huw'.
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Salaam abdalquran,
a conman would gain from acquiring the confidence of another, I gain nothing, you wish to believe in a personified God, you wish to worship and give adoration to your personification, I have no interest in stopping you.
I will not insult you for your conformity to established traditional dogma, it is difficult to develop reason and view things with a detached perspective, always investigating and verifying information to establish firm belief, it is far easier to accept what the majority follow blindly, I wish you luck in your pursuit of religion and worship.
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You stand to gain from disagreement as disagreement validates your ego-based notion that you're the only one privy to this knowledge. As 2/163 shows, Allah IS an ilah himself so you're 'there is no god, only Allah' is false. Of course you could hide behind the usual 'you need to be shiekh al-akbar' to get this. That works for some people.
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Salaam Abdalquran,
I sincerely do not care at any level if you believe in a God or you do not, all I wish to do is express a view I believe is correct, if you wish to consider it you could, if not, you would not, why do you think this has anything to do with self promotion, I am not the originator of the concept, Allah is, the universe present a structure that can not be denied, you can investigate the universe we all exist within to see the nature of Allah, it is not the God of the Christians and Jews, it never was, it is Allah, meaning the One who is not a deity for worship and adoration.
Consider this Abdalquran, what is matter?
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Peace
Abdunur, can you please explain the point abdalquran made...
Quran 2/163 And your god is One god There is no god but He, Most Gracious, Most Merciful
Here the word Allah is not mentioned at all. So there IS an ilah and he is ONE ilah. THAT'S what it means by 'laa ilaha illa huw'.
I apologise if you've already explained it and I missed it.
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He cannot explain. The dude has a problem with the term God. He believes it to be a Christian invention and therefore should not be applied, even though he got no problem living in a Christian society and utlilising their facilities.
This guy confuses himself when he talks.
He should change his website to 'servant of confusion'.
Peace
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Salaam Zulu12,
you seem to think other people have the same inability to make opinions and judgments as you do, but unlike you, most people can consider the information objectively, and arrive at a conclusion without the need to shout like they have turrets, as I said to you previously you are confused in that you do not apply reason and thought, but exist in subjugation to the religion you blindly follow, you would not insult me to my face, so do not do it behind you computer.
I realise you have a very limited mental capacity, if you have nothing to say, say nothing, to do otherwise is not the action of being Muslim, as you can not say you are Muslim, you must be Muslim in your actions.
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Dear Abdun Nur
There is an old saying 'the truth always hurts'. It's obviously touched a sore nerve with you and your confused state.
I have absolutely no problems telling you to your face exactly what I state on this Forum and whether you find it insulting or not, is your problem. You are used to living in cloud cuckoo land, therefore anytime you are challenged on your sheer stupidity, you find it offensive because it does not conform to your warped interpretations.
Yes, for people like you, my mental capacity is limited because I refuse to take anything you put across as reasonable logic. It's your opinion and only that. Nothing more or nothing less.
If you want to put your point across for potentially millions of people to see across the internet, i.e. this Forum and your website, then be prepared for the criticism that comes with it, otherwise keep your dilusions to yourself.
Like I said before, you are not only trying to confuse everyone who comes across your garbage, but you have confused yourself in the process. Just in case you didn't realise but we do have a choice, and I choose to respond to your idiotic logic in which I excercise my Freedom of Choice and my Freedom of Speech.
I have considered your information objectively and have arrived at my conclusion, which is exactly what I state. You have lost the plot, are confused with reality v fantasy and the informtion on your website is pure delirium. You clearly have a problem differentiating and distiguishing between the two.
Peace
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Dear Abdun Nur
For you not to respond is really going to break my heart, effect my sleep, damage my income and change my Deen!
The only logical thing you have stated in your communication is the word 'nonsense' which means (words or language having no meaning or conveying no intelligible ideas), which is exactly the rubbish you spew on this Forum and on your website.
Whether I am a Muslim or Non Muslim should not be your concern because you are not my judge and it still doesn't change the fact that your views are illogical, warped, confused, delirious and occultic at best.
And a final word of advice with a parting gift...............................Close your website down.
Peace
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peace Abdun Nur,
I see what you done to the Quran, you act like in similar way to Muhammadans who attribute lies to the Prophet, instead you go one further and start attributing lies to God. You are a heretic!