There is No God.
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Salaam asubmitter,
as I said it is pointless explaining anything to you, please follow whatever you wish, I have no interest in you accepting anything I say, nor anyone else, they must apply reason and investigate all things of interest to them, I present my views and conclusions based on my investigations, you present the conjecture of others and have faith it is correct, I do not mislead anyone, I wish them to investigate the truth, you on the other hand have investigated nothing, but wish to lead others down your path of conjecture so confusion.
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Abdun Nur, no offense but you're an obscurantist svengali. I read your posts and to me, you're no different from the religious conmen you despise so much.
Quran 2/163 And your god is One god There is no god but He, Most Gracious, Most Merciful
Here the word Allah is not mentioned at all. So there IS an ilah and he is ONE ilah. THAT'S what it means by 'laa ilaha illa huw'.
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Salaam abdalquran,
a conman would gain from acquiring the confidence of another, I gain nothing, you wish to believe in a personified God, you wish to worship and give adoration to your personification, I have no interest in stopping you.
I will not insult you for your conformity to established traditional dogma, it is difficult to develop reason and view things with a detached perspective, always investigating and verifying information to establish firm belief, it is far easier to accept what the majority follow blindly, I wish you luck in your pursuit of religion and worship.
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You stand to gain from disagreement as disagreement validates your ego-based notion that you're the only one privy to this knowledge. As 2/163 shows, Allah IS an ilah himself so you're 'there is no god, only Allah' is false. Of course you could hide behind the usual 'you need to be shiekh al-akbar' to get this. That works for some people.
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Salaam Abdalquran,
I sincerely do not care at any level if you believe in a God or you do not, all I wish to do is express a view I believe is correct, if you wish to consider it you could, if not, you would not, why do you think this has anything to do with self promotion, I am not the originator of the concept, Allah is, the universe present a structure that can not be denied, you can investigate the universe we all exist within to see the nature of Allah, it is not the God of the Christians and Jews, it never was, it is Allah, meaning the One who is not a deity for worship and adoration.
Consider this Abdalquran, what is matter?
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Peace
Abdunur, can you please explain the point abdalquran made...
Quran 2/163 And your god is One god There is no god but He, Most Gracious, Most Merciful
Here the word Allah is not mentioned at all. So there IS an ilah and he is ONE ilah. THAT'S what it means by 'laa ilaha illa huw'.
I apologise if you've already explained it and I missed it.
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He cannot explain. The dude has a problem with the term God. He believes it to be a Christian invention and therefore should not be applied, even though he got no problem living in a Christian society and utlilising their facilities.
This guy confuses himself when he talks.
He should change his website to 'servant of confusion'.
Peace
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Salaam Zulu12,
you seem to think other people have the same inability to make opinions and judgments as you do, but unlike you, most people can consider the information objectively, and arrive at a conclusion without the need to shout like they have turrets, as I said to you previously you are confused in that you do not apply reason and thought, but exist in subjugation to the religion you blindly follow, you would not insult me to my face, so do not do it behind you computer.
I realise you have a very limited mental capacity, if you have nothing to say, say nothing, to do otherwise is not the action of being Muslim, as you can not say you are Muslim, you must be Muslim in your actions.
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Dear Abdun Nur
There is an old saying 'the truth always hurts'. It's obviously touched a sore nerve with you and your confused state.
I have absolutely no problems telling you to your face exactly what I state on this Forum and whether you find it insulting or not, is your problem. You are used to living in cloud cuckoo land, therefore anytime you are challenged on your sheer stupidity, you find it offensive because it does not conform to your warped interpretations.
Yes, for people like you, my mental capacity is limited because I refuse to take anything you put across as reasonable logic. It's your opinion and only that. Nothing more or nothing less.
If you want to put your point across for potentially millions of people to see across the internet, i.e. this Forum and your website, then be prepared for the criticism that comes with it, otherwise keep your dilusions to yourself.
Like I said before, you are not only trying to confuse everyone who comes across your garbage, but you have confused yourself in the process. Just in case you didn't realise but we do have a choice, and I choose to respond to your idiotic logic in which I excercise my Freedom of Choice and my Freedom of Speech.
I have considered your information objectively and have arrived at my conclusion, which is exactly what I state. You have lost the plot, are confused with reality v fantasy and the informtion on your website is pure delirium. You clearly have a problem differentiating and distiguishing between the two.
Peace
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Dear Abdun Nur
For you not to respond is really going to break my heart, effect my sleep, damage my income and change my Deen!
The only logical thing you have stated in your communication is the word 'nonsense' which means (words or language having no meaning or conveying no intelligible ideas), which is exactly the rubbish you spew on this Forum and on your website.
Whether I am a Muslim or Non Muslim should not be your concern because you are not my judge and it still doesn't change the fact that your views are illogical, warped, confused, delirious and occultic at best.
And a final word of advice with a parting gift...............................Close your website down.
Peace
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peace Abdun Nur,
I see what you done to the Quran, you act like in similar way to Muhammadans who attribute lies to the Prophet, instead you go one further and start attributing lies to God. You are a heretic!
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Salaam asubmitter,
a heretic is one who publicly dissents from the officially accepted dogma of the Roman Catholic Church, further I can not attribute lies to the fiction of all religion, being the false concept of a God, being a male personification, as they are lies in and of themselves, this being the case I'll leave the lies to the experts, your bretheren the members of the Roman Catholic Church.
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An heretic can also mean, "anyone who does not conform to an established attitude, doctrine, or principle." It is not I who stands corrected it is you, if you can accept you are wrong. For us there is a guiding light to hold faith to, before all else there is there is the affirmation none is worthy of worship and adoration except God. The guiding light is held by the eye of certainty, not by willfully neglecting our duties but progressing through the dream like state of life's voyage. We have brought it back the truth of the past, the light of the future, and the power of the present. And Submission will dominate over all other religions, only most prefer to corrupt their souls with ignorance.
You sound like a Free Mason, and your alias, which I doubt is your real name, should be with little understanding of Arabic, Abdul Nur, unless you really believe yourself to be connected to the light. Like I said if you got something to say, say it yourself, do not use others like the Prophet, or the Old Indian Chief, or whoever, to say what yyou wish to say, or try to derive power by inferring meaning to the Quran. I like to know what you said , not what others you hide and disguise your thoughts behind, personally.
peace
A Submitter
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Salaam asubmitter,
if you can prove the existence of a God please present your evidence, as I have in proving Allah, use the universe to establish the truth as the Qur'an suggests, otherwise shut up, as you have nothing to say, become a Roman Catholic if you wish to worship and adore a God in the sky, they have cornered the market in religious dogma and blind obedience.
No God exists of any sort as no evidence exists of any sort to prove a God, only the single consciousness exists, absolutely nothing else, no sky God, no personifications walking the earth or walking the heavens exist, these are primitive delusions to subjugate and enslave people like yourself to the dogma and conformity of religions; to exist in slavery in this world with the promise of salvation in the next. To believe blindly with the strength of your faith, as no evidence exists.
While the Qur?an requires belief not faith, and the only way to establish belief is through investigating and examining the physical universe, prove these things to yourself as true, don?t exist in subjugation to the dogma and traditions of the past as they are founded, in general, from deceptions.
As for your rubbish about not using reference, or the work of others to support the views I hold, the rantings of an idiot would best describe those comments.
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Salaam asubmitter,
if you can prove the existence of a God please present your evidence, as I have in proving Allah, use the universe to establish the truth as the Qur'an suggests, otherwise shut up, as you have nothing to say, become a Roman Catholic if you wish to worship and adore a God in the sky, they have cornered the market in religious dogma and blind obedience.
No God exists of any sort as no evidence exists of any sort to prove a God, only the single consciousness exists, absolutely nothing else, no sky God, no personifications walking the earth or walking the heavens exist, these are primitive delusions to subjugate and enslave people like yourself to the dogma and conformity of religions; to exist in slavery in this world with the promise of salvation in the next. To believe blindly with the strength of your faith, as no evidence exists.
While the Qur?an requires belief not faith, and the only way to establish belief is through investigating and examining the physical universe, prove these things to yourself as true, don?t exist in subjugation to the dogma and traditions of the past as they are founded, in general, from deceptions.
As for your rubbish about not using reference, or the work of others to support the views I hold, the rantings of an idiot would best describe those comments.
Peace Abdun Nur,
Here is my two cents worth, and I'm speaking as a Muslim/GOD ALONE, Qur'aan Alone. According to the Qur'aan GOD is NOT made of MATTER. His essence is IMMATERIAL. See verse 4211, "...there is NOTHING like HIM..."
On the other hand the whole Universe is made of MATERIAL ELEMENTS and we too, are parts of it. No matter how hard we try it will be impossible for us to prove the existence of GOD. In other words SCIENCE is not able to prove anything outside of matter. We only can LOGICALLY and through PHILOSOPHICAL arguments conclude that there MUST be a SUPERNATURAL CAUSE behind the existence of the MATERIAL WORLD, and by definition We call it GOD. BTW, take a look at the link below and see what you think.
http//free-minds.org/forum/index.php?topic=9600440.msg247806#msg247806
Peace,
Khalil -
I think people have gotten into the habit of raising the bar for the nature of "God" every time they are able to observe some new thing in nature itself. They see a photograph from the Hubble and, all of a sudden, the miracle becomes science... is reduced to a common event.
Flashing lights and whistles, always something new.
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Salaam,
a God is a creator of a material universe who presides over it as a king, Allah manifest all realities from the inside out instant by instant, the first has no foundation in reality, it is an abstract construct created to enslave humanity to religions, the second concept of Allah is the evident structure of creation. As for matter it too has no substance beyond this manifestation of perpetual regeneration, as physics demonstrates the real nature of matter is an illusion of perception.
The ignorant confuse themselves and others by refusing to examine the real nature of creation and present flights of fancy to support the religious God structure of existence, 'There is NO GOD.', is the true foundation of Islam, until you can move beyond this first statement you can not be a Muslim, this is the hardest step in a world drowning in hate, misery, ignorance and poverty, to transform this world religion must be exposed for the crime it represents, and the simple models present within the Qur'an must be implemented, for example the only Sovereign is Allah, therefore you can have no other sovereign, no king or Queen, no government of representative sovereigns, no mullahs or Imams, no prophets or messengers can be sovereign over you, they cannot subjugate you. Another example, Allah is owner of the universe, yet we buy and sell the Earth as if we were the owners, when it is Allodial, and from this crime we can not understand Riba, we excuse Riba, confuse its simple concept, simply from not accepting Allah is the owner of the universe.
The God worshippers require Idols, they need locations of focus, they need people to idolise, but a Muslim needs none of these things, consider the deep corruptions now evident within the Christianised Islam we suffer today, based on God and idol worship.
The other aspect of God worship is blind faith, a baseless confidence in conjecture and tradition, layers of deceptions building upon each other over centuries, blind faith is a fundamental doctrine of all religions, without this crime religions would soon dissolve.
I expect such a great misery to crush humanity from the ignorance and arrogance generated through the confusion of the God and religious perspective, as this allows the sovereigns to both exist and exploit humanity without redress, they give them the answer of the imbecile, suffer in this life and get your reward in the next.