There is No God.
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He cannot explain. The dude has a problem with the term God. He believes it to be a Christian invention and therefore should not be applied, even though he got no problem living in a Christian society and utlilising their facilities.
This guy confuses himself when he talks.
He should change his website to 'servant of confusion'.
Peace
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Salaam Zulu12,
you seem to think other people have the same inability to make opinions and judgments as you do, but unlike you, most people can consider the information objectively, and arrive at a conclusion without the need to shout like they have turrets, as I said to you previously you are confused in that you do not apply reason and thought, but exist in subjugation to the religion you blindly follow, you would not insult me to my face, so do not do it behind you computer.
I realise you have a very limited mental capacity, if you have nothing to say, say nothing, to do otherwise is not the action of being Muslim, as you can not say you are Muslim, you must be Muslim in your actions.
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Dear Abdun Nur
There is an old saying 'the truth always hurts'. It's obviously touched a sore nerve with you and your confused state.
I have absolutely no problems telling you to your face exactly what I state on this Forum and whether you find it insulting or not, is your problem. You are used to living in cloud cuckoo land, therefore anytime you are challenged on your sheer stupidity, you find it offensive because it does not conform to your warped interpretations.
Yes, for people like you, my mental capacity is limited because I refuse to take anything you put across as reasonable logic. It's your opinion and only that. Nothing more or nothing less.
If you want to put your point across for potentially millions of people to see across the internet, i.e. this Forum and your website, then be prepared for the criticism that comes with it, otherwise keep your dilusions to yourself.
Like I said before, you are not only trying to confuse everyone who comes across your garbage, but you have confused yourself in the process. Just in case you didn't realise but we do have a choice, and I choose to respond to your idiotic logic in which I excercise my Freedom of Choice and my Freedom of Speech.
I have considered your information objectively and have arrived at my conclusion, which is exactly what I state. You have lost the plot, are confused with reality v fantasy and the informtion on your website is pure delirium. You clearly have a problem differentiating and distiguishing between the two.
Peace
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Dear Abdun Nur
For you not to respond is really going to break my heart, effect my sleep, damage my income and change my Deen!
The only logical thing you have stated in your communication is the word 'nonsense' which means (words or language having no meaning or conveying no intelligible ideas), which is exactly the rubbish you spew on this Forum and on your website.
Whether I am a Muslim or Non Muslim should not be your concern because you are not my judge and it still doesn't change the fact that your views are illogical, warped, confused, delirious and occultic at best.
And a final word of advice with a parting gift...............................Close your website down.
Peace
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peace Abdun Nur,
I see what you done to the Quran, you act like in similar way to Muhammadans who attribute lies to the Prophet, instead you go one further and start attributing lies to God. You are a heretic!
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Salaam asubmitter,
a heretic is one who publicly dissents from the officially accepted dogma of the Roman Catholic Church, further I can not attribute lies to the fiction of all religion, being the false concept of a God, being a male personification, as they are lies in and of themselves, this being the case I'll leave the lies to the experts, your bretheren the members of the Roman Catholic Church.
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An heretic can also mean, "anyone who does not conform to an established attitude, doctrine, or principle." It is not I who stands corrected it is you, if you can accept you are wrong. For us there is a guiding light to hold faith to, before all else there is there is the affirmation none is worthy of worship and adoration except God. The guiding light is held by the eye of certainty, not by willfully neglecting our duties but progressing through the dream like state of life's voyage. We have brought it back the truth of the past, the light of the future, and the power of the present. And Submission will dominate over all other religions, only most prefer to corrupt their souls with ignorance.
You sound like a Free Mason, and your alias, which I doubt is your real name, should be with little understanding of Arabic, Abdul Nur, unless you really believe yourself to be connected to the light. Like I said if you got something to say, say it yourself, do not use others like the Prophet, or the Old Indian Chief, or whoever, to say what yyou wish to say, or try to derive power by inferring meaning to the Quran. I like to know what you said , not what others you hide and disguise your thoughts behind, personally.
peace
A Submitter
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Salaam asubmitter,
if you can prove the existence of a God please present your evidence, as I have in proving Allah, use the universe to establish the truth as the Qur'an suggests, otherwise shut up, as you have nothing to say, become a Roman Catholic if you wish to worship and adore a God in the sky, they have cornered the market in religious dogma and blind obedience.
No God exists of any sort as no evidence exists of any sort to prove a God, only the single consciousness exists, absolutely nothing else, no sky God, no personifications walking the earth or walking the heavens exist, these are primitive delusions to subjugate and enslave people like yourself to the dogma and conformity of religions; to exist in slavery in this world with the promise of salvation in the next. To believe blindly with the strength of your faith, as no evidence exists.
While the Qur?an requires belief not faith, and the only way to establish belief is through investigating and examining the physical universe, prove these things to yourself as true, don?t exist in subjugation to the dogma and traditions of the past as they are founded, in general, from deceptions.
As for your rubbish about not using reference, or the work of others to support the views I hold, the rantings of an idiot would best describe those comments.
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Salaam asubmitter,
if you can prove the existence of a God please present your evidence, as I have in proving Allah, use the universe to establish the truth as the Qur'an suggests, otherwise shut up, as you have nothing to say, become a Roman Catholic if you wish to worship and adore a God in the sky, they have cornered the market in religious dogma and blind obedience.
No God exists of any sort as no evidence exists of any sort to prove a God, only the single consciousness exists, absolutely nothing else, no sky God, no personifications walking the earth or walking the heavens exist, these are primitive delusions to subjugate and enslave people like yourself to the dogma and conformity of religions; to exist in slavery in this world with the promise of salvation in the next. To believe blindly with the strength of your faith, as no evidence exists.
While the Qur?an requires belief not faith, and the only way to establish belief is through investigating and examining the physical universe, prove these things to yourself as true, don?t exist in subjugation to the dogma and traditions of the past as they are founded, in general, from deceptions.
As for your rubbish about not using reference, or the work of others to support the views I hold, the rantings of an idiot would best describe those comments.
Peace Abdun Nur,
Here is my two cents worth, and I'm speaking as a Muslim/GOD ALONE, Qur'aan Alone. According to the Qur'aan GOD is NOT made of MATTER. His essence is IMMATERIAL. See verse 4211, "...there is NOTHING like HIM..."
On the other hand the whole Universe is made of MATERIAL ELEMENTS and we too, are parts of it. No matter how hard we try it will be impossible for us to prove the existence of GOD. In other words SCIENCE is not able to prove anything outside of matter. We only can LOGICALLY and through PHILOSOPHICAL arguments conclude that there MUST be a SUPERNATURAL CAUSE behind the existence of the MATERIAL WORLD, and by definition We call it GOD. BTW, take a look at the link below and see what you think.
http//free-minds.org/forum/index.php?topic=9600440.msg247806#msg247806
Peace,
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I think people have gotten into the habit of raising the bar for the nature of "God" every time they are able to observe some new thing in nature itself. They see a photograph from the Hubble and, all of a sudden, the miracle becomes science... is reduced to a common event.
Flashing lights and whistles, always something new.
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Salaam,
a God is a creator of a material universe who presides over it as a king, Allah manifest all realities from the inside out instant by instant, the first has no foundation in reality, it is an abstract construct created to enslave humanity to religions, the second concept of Allah is the evident structure of creation. As for matter it too has no substance beyond this manifestation of perpetual regeneration, as physics demonstrates the real nature of matter is an illusion of perception.
The ignorant confuse themselves and others by refusing to examine the real nature of creation and present flights of fancy to support the religious God structure of existence, 'There is NO GOD.', is the true foundation of Islam, until you can move beyond this first statement you can not be a Muslim, this is the hardest step in a world drowning in hate, misery, ignorance and poverty, to transform this world religion must be exposed for the crime it represents, and the simple models present within the Qur'an must be implemented, for example the only Sovereign is Allah, therefore you can have no other sovereign, no king or Queen, no government of representative sovereigns, no mullahs or Imams, no prophets or messengers can be sovereign over you, they cannot subjugate you. Another example, Allah is owner of the universe, yet we buy and sell the Earth as if we were the owners, when it is Allodial, and from this crime we can not understand Riba, we excuse Riba, confuse its simple concept, simply from not accepting Allah is the owner of the universe.
The God worshippers require Idols, they need locations of focus, they need people to idolise, but a Muslim needs none of these things, consider the deep corruptions now evident within the Christianised Islam we suffer today, based on God and idol worship.
The other aspect of God worship is blind faith, a baseless confidence in conjecture and tradition, layers of deceptions building upon each other over centuries, blind faith is a fundamental doctrine of all religions, without this crime religions would soon dissolve.
I expect such a great misery to crush humanity from the ignorance and arrogance generated through the confusion of the God and religious perspective, as this allows the sovereigns to both exist and exploit humanity without redress, they give them the answer of the imbecile, suffer in this life and get your reward in the next.
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Salaam,
a God is a creator of a material universe who presides over it as a king, Allah manifest all realities from the inside out instant by instant, the first has no foundation in reality, it is an abstract construct created to enslave humanity to religions, the second concept of Allah is the evident structure of creation. As for matter it too has no substance beyond this manifestation of perpetual regeneration, as physics demonstrates the real nature of matter is an illusion of perception.
The ignorant confuse themselves and others by refusing to examine the real nature of creation and present flights of fancy to support the religious God structure of existence, 'There is NO GOD.', is the true foundation of Islam, until you can move beyond this first statement you can not be a Muslim, this is the hardest step in a world drowning in hate, misery, ignorance and poverty, to transform this world religion must be exposed for the crime it represents, and the simple models present within the Qur'an must be implemented, for example the only Sovereign is Allah, therefore you can have no other sovereign, no king or Queen, no government of representative sovereigns, no mullahs or Imams, no prophets or messengers can be sovereign over you, they cannot subjugate you. Another example, Allah is owner of the universe, yet we buy and sell the Earth as if we were the owners, when it is Allodial, and from this crime we can not understand Riba, we excuse Riba, confuse its simple concept, simply from not accepting Allah is the owner of the universe.
The God worshippers require Idols, they need locations of focus, they need people to idolise, but a Muslim needs none of these things, consider the deep corruptions now evident within the Christianised Islam we suffer today, based on God and idol worship.
The other aspect of God worship is blind faith, a baseless confidence in conjecture and tradition, layers of deceptions building upon each other over centuries, blind faith is a fundamental doctrine of all religions, without this crime religions would soon dissolve.
I expect such a great misery to crush humanity from the ignorance and arrogance generated through the confusion of the God and religious perspective, as this allows the sovereigns to both exist and exploit humanity without redress, they give them the answer of the imbecile, suffer in this life and get your reward in the next.
This is truth.
However the idea that there "is no God" is a very hard statement. It is an incorrect statement when the person sees the word "God" to translate to the quranically defined concept of "Allah". People are not going to see the truth in what you say if you put it that way, the word "God" has a useful connotation and link to the concept of "Allah".
I understand that "Allah" is the totality of consciousness/perception/awareness in the universe. Thus "Allah" is not a "God" in the typical sense but "Allah" is THE God, the infinite creator who you do not mess about with if you know what's best.
The ignorant confuse themselves and others by refusing to examine the real nature of creation and present flights of fancy to support the religious God structure of existence
Spot on. So why do you reject conventional physics? I find that it is perfectly in tune with quranic statements.
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Dear Abdun Nur,
Here is my 2nd two cents worth. I think you are either living in a state of fantasy or trying in an unsuccessful attempt to forgo the reality of being a responsible and committed Muslim and like multitudes of other ?Muslims?, just running your mouth, or better to say, your computer keyboard, to satisfy your delusional ego in a fancy way of wording your quite exotic and out of this world ?thoughts.?
To let you know. This is a real world we are all living in and the reality of laws of PHYSICS as a SCIENCE come out of this very REAL WORLD too. You don?t believe me, just hit your head against the wall very hard and let us know if it hurts or not.
How in the world you, on one hand, claim to be following the Qur?aan and believing in ALLAAH (swt), and on the other hand, rule out the very first article of faith in Islam by saying ?there is no GOD?? Or maybe you are one of those who say they accept the DEEN, but don?t believe in any RELIGION! In that case you may, just like them, not know that the word RELIGION in English language is the equivalent of the word DEEN in Arabic, the language of the Qur?aan. Maybe you?re trying to innovate or create deception regarding the meaning of the real and everyday utilized and well-known WORDS? Hope you?re not trying to REINVENT the wheel. So many have tried it before, but their efforts have ended up in the history?s landfill! BTW, the word GOD in English is the equivalent of ALLAAH in Arabic!
Anyways, I do recommend that you and others like you, to stop your nonstop PHILOSPHIZING of the surrounding REAL world. Just snap out of your fantasies and smell the roses of life REALITIES. Start ACTING. STOP the daydreaming of the life long LIP service. Harness your larger than life EGO. Repent. Ask for forgiveness from ALLAAH (swt), the ONE you claim you believe in. Follow his commandments in the Qur?aan, the book you claim you believe in. Try to make a difference in your everyday life towards the betterment of the lives of your fellow humans and the society in which you interact 24/7.
The Qur?aan is the book of GUIDANCE for all humanity. It is fully detailed, easy to understand. Remember! It was sent to a nation that most of its people were uneducated, illiterate, and ignorant at the time. Do not try to PHILOSOPHIZE it or render it EXOTIC and out of REACH. Just try to Understand it at its face value, and ask GOD / ALLAAH (swt) to guide you in His light and increases your knowledge.
I?ve been blunt, but not rude. Have nothing personal, and in the words of the preacher, ?not a sermon, just a thought.?
Last, but not least, HUMILITY is a VIRTUE too.
Peace,
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Peace Abdun Nur
I agree with you on the following things
- That Allah is not a he or a she. And that Allah should not be personificated.
- That worship is not a part of islam. We should obey the orders and follow the laws of Allah, and serve him.
- That we should not base our deen on faith, but base it on firm belief established through reason.
- That there is no religion. islam is the natural and timeless system of mankind.
- That rituals are not a part of islam. Ritual prayer (worship) is not from the Quran.
- That we will be judged upon our physical actions. I also think we will be judged upon our words and attitude.
- That Allah is everywhere, and knows everything. Allah is not only in the sky.
That Allah is eternal. Allah has always existed and will always exist. - That much of conventional physics is wrong. Conventional physics separate things, but the universe is in unity.
- That traditional islam is based on christianity, judaism and zoroastrianism. Also based on culture and ideologies.
- That the only sovereign is Allah. No human being should control or rule another human being.
However, i don't think it is wrong to use the word God when you speak about Allah. As you know, christians and jews are not familiar with the word Allah. If you want to invite them to your system (not religion), and convince them, then you have to speak in a language which they understand. The word Allah is alien to them. The word Allah is arabic and therefore it might be hard for them to relate to what Allah is. Therefore by saying the word God to them, it will be easier for them to understand what we say. And it will be easier for us to convey a message to them.
When it comes to what i said above, let me give you an example. A spanish employer in a new grocery store in england gets a call from an english person that wants to know what kind of fruit he sells in his store. He wants to buy fruit. The employer tells the person that they sell Uvas (which is the spanish word for grapes). But the person can not speak the spanish language and do not understand it, so he gets confused. He says to the employer What is Uvas? The employer says Uvas are a type of green fruit. But i don't know what the english word for Uvas is. The person says Well, if it is green, it is probably apples. Well sir, i don't need any apples, i have an apple tree in my own garden. Have a nice day sir, bye. Moral of the story Speak in a language that most people understand. The employer lost a potential customer because he could not convey his message to the english person.
As we can see from the example above, if someone wants to sell something, they should speak in a language which is familiar to the people. So if someone wants to sell something, whether it be a fruit and idea or anything else, they should speak in a language which is understandable to most people. If think if we only use the arabic word Allah when you talk about islam, it would seem foreign to most people that are christians, jews, or from other religions and ideologies. If we want to convince people or convey a message to people, we have to speak in the language of the people, or in a language which they understand if you will. I off course think the ideal way would be to call our creator only Allah. But most people do not relate to this. If everyone spoke arabic or knew arabic, then using the word Allah, would be the most ideal thing to do.
Here is another example A man works for a store. The man knows that the boss is the owner of the store, and he knows that he has to follow the ethical laws of the store. As long as the man follows the laws of the store by being serviceminded (helping the customers), keeping the store clean and selling the products, then the boss will be happy, the customers will be happy, the man will be happy, and the store will earn a lots of money. Let's say that the name of the boss is Joe. What if the man one day suddenly calls his boss by his name, what if he suddenly calls him Joe instead of boss? What will happen then? Nothing will happen as long as he follows the laws of the boss and do not disobey anything. A word is just a word, and does not change anything. The concept linked to a word however can change everything. So the word is no problem if the concept is not changed. As long as the man knows who the boss is, follows the laws of the store, and has a right understanding of the concepts, a word means nothing. If however, the man links the word Joe to a friend or a person which is not a boss, then problems will arise. Whether the man calls his boss,boss, or calls his boss "Joe", the boss will still be the boss of the store.
Here is another example As we know, many people call their boat a she. They say My boat is such a beauty, she is so beautiful. But they know that the boat has no gender, they know that the boat is not a she. They know that the boat is just an "it". But still they call their boat a she. You can also call the boat a tiger. But the word tiger does not change the reality of what a boat is. A boat is an object which floates on water. The object is made of tree or other materials. A tiger however, is not an inamitate object. A tiger is an animal, it is alive, it breaths and it moves by itself. Some people also call the earth mother earth, but they know that the earth can not be a mother. A mother is someone who gives birth to something but the earth does not give birth to anything. As we can see, these words are just words and are not connected to reality. It is the concept people link to words that should not be linked to the words. By other words, the words are not the problem, the concepts linked to the words are a problem. So as we can see there is a difference between a word and the concept linked to the word.
Allah tells us in the Quran that we can call Allah by beautiful names
Quran 7180
And to God belong the beautiful names, so call Him by them; and ignore those who blaspheme in His names. They will be punished for what they used to do.As we can see from the first verse above, we can call Allah by the beautiful names (different words). In Quran, Allah is described with different words. Below are some of the words Allah is described with in the Quran
- Sustainer (maintains life and provides everything needed).
- Master (the only master we should have).
- Creator (of the heavens and the earth and everything between it).
- Initiator.
- Designer.
- Almighty.
- The unseen
From my study of the Quran, if Allah is called God by us, there is nothing wrong with that as long as our understanding of Allah is based only on the Quran, reason, truth and science.
I am also a strong supporter of reason and science. However, if we see science from a realistic perspective, we will see that science has its limitations. Here are some of the things science can not explain or do
Science can not create life (see 22.73). Scientists have not been able to even create a living cell.
Science can not find all natural laws, like the ones which can not be observed.
Science can not tell people what happens to them when they die . Or after they are dead.
Science can not make anything grow. Science can not make a tree grow. It requires energy. Allah makes trees grow.
Science can not understand the mind. We can not measure something which can not be seen.
Science can not tell us what is moral and not moral. To know what is moral and not moral we need revelation.
Science can not explain spiritual experiences.Science is in fact anti-intellectual. It mistrust common sense and demands presentation of the objective truth
- H.L Mencken
"Science without religion is lame, religion without science is blind."
- Albert Einstein
Science can only ascertain what is, but not what should be, and outside of its domain value judgments of all kinds remain necessary - Albert Einstein
The only way to reconcile science and religion is to set up something which is not science and something that is not religion. - H. L. Mencken
I have read parts of the works of Ahmed hulusi and seen some of his videos. It seems that some of your ideas are similar to him. I think some of the ideas of Ahmed hulusi are interesting. But most of his ideas are not new. Other authors before him, like for instance G.A parwez had similar views about islam.
I agree with you that we have to search knowledge constantly. However, we also need to focus on our relations. It is important that we are patient, humble, and respect people (even if they do not respect us). If someone make some fire and we make fire to stop their fire, we will not solve any problem. We should fight fire with water. Through powerful arguments, those who do not like our ideas, will see that we are telling them the facts. And they will see that we are speaking the truth. "Facts never lie".
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Beautiful post David_K.
The limitations of science come from the limitations of humanity, keep that in mind. What is science? Science is merely a process where you cast Truth against falsehood and the falsehood innately disappears .
The scientific method is simple
1.) Create a situation
2.) Observe the results
3.) Create a situation again, using what you have learnt - back to step 1 we go!Suppose you have infinite energy and infinite time at your disposal and you wanted to do some science. You start off with 1 block of energy, the whole infinite shebang in all its glory. You decide that One block is fairly useless for the purpose of science; there is nothing to compare against it . So you split it into two and you write down in your lab-book that at t=0, there was 1 unit of energy and at t=1, there were 2 units and you split it by however so. You also discover in this process that if you let these individual blocks of energy do their thing, they make some crazy patterns, and the subtleties of each pattern cause even more subtleties in what is to come.
So you keep doing this process and eventually you observe that if you shape a shitload of blocks of energy in a certain way, they are what you call "alive". You write this down in your log book. A good student of science must "keep the number of all things" in his log book to get a "good result".
Eventually at some point into the experiment the observer decides logically that "if my experiment is alive then it can do this for me, all I have to do is guide it along the right path".
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Salaam asubmitter,
if you can prove the existence of a God please present your evidence, as I have in proving Allah, use the universe to establish the truth as the Qur'an suggests, otherwise shut up, as you have nothing to say, become a Roman Catholic if you wish to worship and adore a God in the sky, they have cornered the market in religious dogma and blind obedience.
I never questioned "what is God" or what is Allah, because coming from a more austere family, similar to Rashad's, I was brought up as a Sunni Muslim, and the traditional understanding based upon al-Ashari's aqeeda dating 12th century, we understand God by His attributes, His names, and we dare not try to define Him as matter or a substance, but then we came upon the challenge of the Mutazalites who questioned the anthropomorphic nature of God, and this has confused many but some have rendered it to mean God is Living, God is the creator of man, and uses terms which seem to describe God as human. We understand no vision encompasses Him, but He encompasses all visions, (6103). I do not think physically, through the eyes one can envision God, because God transcends time, and cannot be manifest within the present moment.
Like I said we never questioned what is God, instead like I have realised God has three attributes, Omniscient, Omnipotent and Omnipresent. He knows the future, He has power over the present, and He has wisdom of the past. Mind is fluid, body is solid and soul is gaseous.
Like Khalil mentioned, science is just one aspect, there are conventionally known 3 sciences, which again link with mind, body and soul. The second aspect, body, links with the 3 arts, music,art, and writing, which link with the three tenses of time, future, how one needs to have a futuristic mind to be able to play in an orchestra or band or instrument, art is beholding something from nothing in the present moment, the picture you take is in the present moment. And writing, is an art also, but links to the past, to wisdom, and to the soul, and truth. Enlightening music, good picture, truthful writing. And finally the last of the four threes the three classics, philosophy, what one knows, linguistics, what one observes, and history, what one learns. Anyway below is what Khalil had to say
SCIENCE is not able to prove anything outside of matter. We only can LOGICALLY and through PHILOSOPHICAL arguments conclude that there MUST be a SUPERNATURAL CAUSE behind the existence of the MATERIAL WORLD, and by definition We call it GOD. BTW, take a look at the link below and see what you think.
http//free-minds.org/forum/index.php?topic=9600440.msg247806#msg247806
Peace,
KhalilPhilosophical arguments prove that God exist, the question 'could God create a rock He could not carry', to this we respond God is the Omniscient, knows the future, the Omnipotent, has power over the present, and Omnipresent, has wisdom of the past. Because the response to this question is what is it about the rock, its size, its weight, or its pressure. Another way of looking at it to make straight what seems crooked would be to say God cannot be quantified, but the rock can through its size, weight and pressure. Size is limitless, weight is infinite, pressure is free.
Hear No, See No, Speek No,
water, earth, air
Do No
FireI've have been sent to be the all three, the one to look at the threes, like fire cannot be any type of matter, but a combination of all three, or one and two, two and three, or one and three.
Glory be to God
peace
A Submitter
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I think i'd rather jump off the nearest bridge than live in a world without God. Nothing in my life gives me more comfort and purpose than God, who is my Lord and also your Lord, Abdun Nur. Your belief for your own, and mine for me, of course. But there's really a lot you can tell from the way a person argues. With that said, if i have understood everything having been said so far correctly, i must say, what a happy ignorant sheep i am.
God is great.