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did Qur'anists know that the prophet has mentioned them ?

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    Thereformer1
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    You didn't correct him.

    that's what you think .

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      Sirius
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      that's what you think .

      Lol, you're doing it again man!

      Show me where you corrected him.

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        Thereformer1
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        Lol, you're doing it again man!

        Show me where you corrected him.

        they said "we're rejecting hadith"

        I said " don't reject hadith because it is important"

        P.S this video for all Quranists http//www.youtube.com/watch?v=MZS5zRy7mak&NR=1 and it is talking about the same thread .

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          Mazhar
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          http//Reply 158 I'm not arrogant, I've said the truth that I'm better than him. is that arrogance ? . being better than someone, means that he should listen to you not bring silly ideas where he will look like a fool man

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          He replied ,"I am better than him. You created me from fire and You created him from clay"

          Is it arrogance or not? The Verdict of Allah is this
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          He said, "Then get down from it for the reason that it is not appropriate for you to be proud therein. Therefore you get out, indeed you are amongst the abased, the contemptible"

          http//haqeeqat.org.pk/English%20Tafsir%20e%20Haqeeqat/00.Arabic%20Text/007.%20Al%20Airaaf/007.%20Al%20Airaaf%20B.htm

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            Thereformer1
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            http//Reply 158 I'm not arrogant, I've said the truth that I'm better than him. is that arrogance ? . being better than someone, means that he should listen to you not bring silly ideas where he will look like a fool man

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            He replied ,"I am better than him. You created me from fire and You created him from clay"
            Is it arrogance or not? The Verdict of Allah is this
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            He said, "Then get down from it for the reason that it is not appropriate for you to be proud therein. Therefore you get out, indeed you are amongst the abased, the contemptible"
            http//haqeeqat.org.pk/English%20Tafsir%20e%20Haqeeqat/00.Arabic%20Text/007.%20Al%20Airaaf/007.%20Al%20Airaaf%20B.htm

            well, the verse is too clear the Satan said that he is better than Adam in Creation not in knowledge . I said I'm better than him and I meant by it that I know things more than him. So there is no relation between the verse and what I said .

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              Thereformer1
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              Have you?

              No, why I should ? I have born Muslim and I thank God because of that. because if I was not Muslim but converted to Islam later, there is a chance of being like you which It might be a wrong way and I'll hate myself.

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                Sirius
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                No, why I should ? I have born Muslim and I thank God because of that. because if I was not Muslim but converted to Islam later, there is a chance of being like you which It might be a wrong way and I'll hate myself.

                Or there's a chance that you are born to Islam, conditioned to a particular way of thinking and then stubbornly refuse any other opinion because you were never taught to think for yourself; let the Ulema think for you.

                You never question that you might be wrong? That's sad and exemplifies the condition of the Muslims. God tells you to ponder, not accept unquestioningly everything that the clergy feed you.

                Oh and I liked your jibe against converts. Did you forget that Abu Bakr was a convert, so was Umar and so were Uthman and Ali?

                Peace

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                  Thereformer1
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                  Or there's a chance that you are born to Islam, conditioned to a particular way of thinking and then stubbornly refuse any other opinion because you were never taught to think for yourself; let the Ulema think for you.

                  well, who said that I've never made my own statements ? I've said before to a member here that my own interpretations and statements that I have found are exactely the same as the Ulema said. because I've also studied these things . In the other hand guys here no one from them including you have studied these things . police

                  You never question that you might be wrong? That's sad and exemplifies the condition of the Muslims. God tells you to ponder, not accept unquestioningly everything that the clergy feed you.

                  why I might be wrong ? and the religion of Islam and Quran said that we must obey the prophet and take what he said and what he did . the only wrong person is you rejecting the sunnah of the prophet.

                  Oh and I liked your jibe against converts. Did you forget that Abu Bakr was a convert, so was Umar and so were Uthman and Ali?
                  Peace

                  well, those converts from Abu Baker to Umar were a good converts who they followed the sunnah of the prophet as a second ligeslation in Islam, in the other hand some bunch of converts today rejecting it.

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                    Thereformer1
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                    Salamun alaikum,

                    thereformer - please enlighten us about islam...

                    .

                    One day when we were sitting with the Messenger of God there came unto us a man whose clothes were of exceeding whiteness and whose hair was of exceeding blackness; nor were there any signs of travel upon him, although none of us knew him. He sat down knee unto knee opposite the Prophet, upon whose thighs he placed the palms of his hands saying ?O Muhammad, tell me what is the surrender (islam).? The Messenger answered him saying ?the surrender is to testify that there is no god but God and that Muhammad is God?s Messenger, to perform the prayer, bestow the alms, fast Ramadan and make if though canst, the pilgrimage to the Holy House.? He said ?thou hast spoken truly,? and we were amazed that, having questioned him, he should corroborate him. Then he said ?Tell me what is faith (iman).? He answered ?To believe in God and His Angels and His books and His Messengers and the Last Day, and to believe that no good or evil cometh but by his Providence.? ?Thou hast spoken truly,? he said, and then ?Tell me what is excellence (ihsan).? He answered ?To worship God as if thou sawest him, for if thou seest Him not, yet seeth He thee.? ?Thou hast spoken truly,? he said, and then ?tell me of the Hour.? He answered ?The questioned thereof knoweth no better than the questioner.? He said ?Then tell me of its signs.? He answered ?That the slave-girl shall give birth to her mistress; and that those who were but barefoot naked needy herdsmen shall build buildings ever higher and higher.? Then the stranger went away, and I stayed a while after he had gone; and the Prophet said to me ?O Umar, knowest though the questioner, who was he?? I said ?God and His Messenger know best.? He said ?It was Gabriel. He came unto teach you your religion.?

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                      nsws1988
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                      No, why I should ? I have born Muslim and I thank God because of that.

                      Really? I didn't know it was genetic.

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                        Mazhar
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                        One day when we were sitting with the Messenger of God there came unto us a man whose clothes were of exceeding whiteness and whose hair was of exceeding blackness; nor were there any signs of travel upon him, although none of us knew him. He sat down knee unto knee opposite the Prophet, upon whose thighs he placed the palms of his hands saying ?O Muhammad, tell me what is the surrender (islam).? The Messenger answered him saying ?the surrender is to testify that there is no god but God and that Muhammad is God?s Messenger, to perform the prayer, bestow the alms, fast Ramadan and make if though canst, the pilgrimage to the Holy House.? He said ?thou hast spoken truly,? and we were amazed that, having questioned him, he should corroborate him. Then he said ?Tell me what is faith (iman).? He answered ?To believe in God and His Angels and His books and His Messengers and the Last Day, and to believe that no good or evil cometh but by his Providence.? ?Thou hast spoken truly,? he said, and then ?Tell me what is excellence (ihsan).? He answered ?To worship God as if thou sawest him, for if thou seest Him not, yet seeth He thee.? ?Thou hast spoken truly,? he said, and then ?tell me of the Hour.? He answered ?The questioned thereof knoweth no better than the questioner.? He said ?Then tell me of its signs.? He answered ?That the slave-girl shall give birth to her mistress; and that those who were but barefoot naked needy herdsmen shall build buildings ever higher and higher.? Then the stranger went away, and I stayed a while after he had gone; and the Prophet said to me ?O Umar, knowest though the questioner, who was he?? I said ?God and His Messenger know best.? He said ?It was Gabriel. He came unto teach you your religion.?

                        Some Munafiq seems to have concocted this falsehood who are jealous of the Exalted status and stature of the Messenger who is exclusively the One who has been assigned the duty and responsibility to guide the humanity, not any Angel. Munafiq will render such stories which indirectly downplay the Exalated Position of the Messenger of Allah.

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                        But We have declared it/Grand Qur'aan as The Visible Light-the Sustainer of Life

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                        We guide with this Grand Qur'aan anyone from Our created ones whom We inend;

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                        and beyond an iota of doubt, you the Messenger are certainly guiding them towards the Straight Path;

                        http//haqeeqat.org.pk/English%20Tafsir%20e%20Haqeeqat/00.Arabic%20Text/042.%20Ash%20Shoora/042.%20E%20Ash%20Shoora.htm

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                          BornAgain
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                          Salaam,

                          I love it that to qualify as a Muslim, one has to testify that there is no god but God AND that Muhammad is His messenger. The first part I wholly agree. But I cannot imagine Muhammad would say, "... and Muhammad is His messenger." nor can I image that Muhammad would say the "shalawat Nabi" when he prayed. I also cannot imagine that the prophets before Muhammad would say the second part of shahada (Well obviously). Hmmm, maybe the prophets before Muhammad was born weren't muslims? That is off course, using the criterion the traditional Muslims use .

                          Salaam.

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                            nsws1988
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                            Salaam,

                            I love it that to qualify as a Muslim, one has to testify that there is no god but God AND that Muhammad is His messenger. The first part I wholly agree. But I cannot imagine Muhammad would say, "... and Muhammad is His messenger." nor can I image that Muhammad would say the "shalawat Nabi" when he prayed. I also cannot imagine that the prophets before Muhammad would say the second part of shahada (Well obviously). Hmmm, maybe the prophets before Muhammad was born weren't muslims? That is off course, using the criterion the traditional Muslims use .

                            Salaam.

                            We're told that prophet Abraham is muslim (367) - I wonder if he said the second part of the shahada

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                              BornAgain
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                              We're told that prophet Abraham is muslim (367) - I wonder if he said the second part of the shahada

                              And we're told that Abraham told his offsprings to embrace Islam all their lives (2132). I wonder if they said the second part of shahada? Or if they performed the "sunnah of Muhammad".

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                                Mazhar
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                                Salaam,

                                I love it that to qualify as a Muslim, one has to testify that there is no god but God AND that Muhammad is His messenger. The first part I wholly agree. But I cannot imagine Muhammad would say, "... and Muhammad is His messenger." nor can I image that Muhammad would say the "shalawat Nabi" when he prayed. I also cannot imagine that the prophets before Muhammad would say the second part of shahada (Well obviously). Hmmm, maybe the prophets before Muhammad was born weren't muslims? That is off course, using the criterion the traditional Muslims use .

                                Salaam.

                                http//haqeeqat.org.pk/English%20Tafsir%20e%20Haqeeqat/00.Arabic%20Text/007.%20Al%20Airaaf/Temp%2001%207.158.gif
                                You, the Messenger pronounce;
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                                "Listen O you the Mankind;

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                                I am the Messenger of Allah towards you people all collectively;

                                http//haqeeqat.org.pk/English%20Tafsir%20e%20Haqeeqat/00.Arabic%20Text/007.%20Al%20Airaaf/007.%20Al%20Airaaf%20N.htm

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                                  http//haqeeqat.org.pk/English%20Tafsir%20e%20Haqeeqat/00.Arabic%20Text/007.%20Al%20Airaaf/Temp%2001%207.158.gif
                                  You, the Messenger pronounce;
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                                  "Listen O you the Mankind;

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                                  I am the Messenger of Allah towards you people all collectively;

                                  http//haqeeqat.org.pk/English%20Tafsir%20e%20Haqeeqat/00.Arabic%20Text/007.%20Al%20Airaaf/007.%20Al%20Airaaf%20N.htm

                                  was he talking to the whole mankind or to his people who could possibly understand him whatever he was saying? hmm

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                                    Mazhar
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                                    He was sent to convey to everyone who is living

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                                    so that he may warn/revive from slumber/admonish the one who is living/alive

                                    http//haqeeqat.org.pk/English%20Tafsir%20e%20Haqeeqat/00.Arabic%20Text/036.%20Ya%20Seen/036.%20E%20Ya%20Seen.htm

                                    He cannot make the "dead" listen him,

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                                    but/and you the Messenger cannot make those hear who are in the graves ,

                                    http//haqeeqat.org.pk/English%20Tafsir%20e%20Haqeeqat/00.Arabic%20Text/035.%20Fatir/035.%20B%20Fatir.htm

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                                      Thereformer1
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                                      Salaam,
                                      I love it that to qualify as a Muslim, one has to testify that there is no god but God AND that Muhammad is His messenger. The first part I wholly agree. But I cannot imagine Muhammad would say, "... and Muhammad is His messenger." nor can I image that Muhammad would say the "shalawat Nabi" when he prayed. I also cannot imagine that the prophets before Muhammad would say the second part of shahada (Well obviously). Hmmm, maybe the prophets before Muhammad was born weren't muslims? That is off course, using the criterion the traditional Muslims use .
                                      Salaam.

                                      well, the prophet has testified to himself that he is the messenger of God, if you have any problem with that, you're not Muslim and Muslims are away from your evil spirit. Yes the prophet said that he is the messenger of God and he said everything about himself , that's what you can't stand or better your soul can't stand, God has made the name of the prophet side by side to his name, you have a problem with that go do like this brickwall .

                                      we are not talking about before neither about today, the imoprtant thing is that we born Muslim.

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                                        He was sent to convey to everyone who is living

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                                        so that he may warn/revive from slumber/admonish the one who is living/alive

                                        http//haqeeqat.org.pk/English%20Tafsir%20e%20Haqeeqat/00.Arabic%20Text/036.%20Ya%20Seen/036.%20E%20Ya%20Seen.htm

                                        He cannot make the "dead" listen him,

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                                        but/and you the Messenger cannot make those hear who are in the graves ,

                                        http//haqeeqat.org.pk/English%20Tafsir%20e%20Haqeeqat/00.Arabic%20Text/035.%20Fatir/035.%20B%20Fatir.htm

                                        convey to every one living among his people or all over the world? did he ever visited e.g india to convey the messsage? hmm

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                                          Thereformer1
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                                          Really? I didn't know it was genetic.

                                          I've said before that really you don't know nothing, better for you just readddddddddddd and make people suggest.

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