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did Qur'anists know that the prophet has mentioned them ?

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    BornAgain
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    Salaam,

    I love it that to qualify as a Muslim, one has to testify that there is no god but God AND that Muhammad is His messenger. The first part I wholly agree. But I cannot imagine Muhammad would say, "... and Muhammad is His messenger." nor can I image that Muhammad would say the "shalawat Nabi" when he prayed. I also cannot imagine that the prophets before Muhammad would say the second part of shahada (Well obviously). Hmmm, maybe the prophets before Muhammad was born weren't muslims? That is off course, using the criterion the traditional Muslims use .

    Salaam.

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      nsws1988
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      Salaam,

      I love it that to qualify as a Muslim, one has to testify that there is no god but God AND that Muhammad is His messenger. The first part I wholly agree. But I cannot imagine Muhammad would say, "... and Muhammad is His messenger." nor can I image that Muhammad would say the "shalawat Nabi" when he prayed. I also cannot imagine that the prophets before Muhammad would say the second part of shahada (Well obviously). Hmmm, maybe the prophets before Muhammad was born weren't muslims? That is off course, using the criterion the traditional Muslims use .

      Salaam.

      We're told that prophet Abraham is muslim (367) - I wonder if he said the second part of the shahada

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        BornAgain
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        We're told that prophet Abraham is muslim (367) - I wonder if he said the second part of the shahada

        And we're told that Abraham told his offsprings to embrace Islam all their lives (2132). I wonder if they said the second part of shahada? Or if they performed the "sunnah of Muhammad".

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          Mazhar
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          Salaam,

          I love it that to qualify as a Muslim, one has to testify that there is no god but God AND that Muhammad is His messenger. The first part I wholly agree. But I cannot imagine Muhammad would say, "... and Muhammad is His messenger." nor can I image that Muhammad would say the "shalawat Nabi" when he prayed. I also cannot imagine that the prophets before Muhammad would say the second part of shahada (Well obviously). Hmmm, maybe the prophets before Muhammad was born weren't muslims? That is off course, using the criterion the traditional Muslims use .

          Salaam.

          http//haqeeqat.org.pk/English%20Tafsir%20e%20Haqeeqat/00.Arabic%20Text/007.%20Al%20Airaaf/Temp%2001%207.158.gif
          You, the Messenger pronounce;
          http//haqeeqat.org.pk/English%20Tafsir%20e%20Haqeeqat/00.Arabic%20Text/004.%20An%20Nisa/temp%2014%20%204.170b.gif
          "Listen O you the Mankind;

          http//haqeeqat.org.pk/English%20Tafsir%20e%20Haqeeqat/00.Arabic%20Text/007.%20Al%20Airaaf/Temp%2001%207.158b.gif
          I am the Messenger of Allah towards you people all collectively;

          http//haqeeqat.org.pk/English%20Tafsir%20e%20Haqeeqat/00.Arabic%20Text/007.%20Al%20Airaaf/007.%20Al%20Airaaf%20N.htm

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            http//haqeeqat.org.pk/English%20Tafsir%20e%20Haqeeqat/00.Arabic%20Text/007.%20Al%20Airaaf/Temp%2001%207.158.gif
            You, the Messenger pronounce;
            http//haqeeqat.org.pk/English%20Tafsir%20e%20Haqeeqat/00.Arabic%20Text/004.%20An%20Nisa/temp%2014%20%204.170b.gif
            "Listen O you the Mankind;

            http//haqeeqat.org.pk/English%20Tafsir%20e%20Haqeeqat/00.Arabic%20Text/007.%20Al%20Airaaf/Temp%2001%207.158b.gif
            I am the Messenger of Allah towards you people all collectively;

            http//haqeeqat.org.pk/English%20Tafsir%20e%20Haqeeqat/00.Arabic%20Text/007.%20Al%20Airaaf/007.%20Al%20Airaaf%20N.htm

            was he talking to the whole mankind or to his people who could possibly understand him whatever he was saying? hmm

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              Mazhar
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              He was sent to convey to everyone who is living

              http//haqeeqat.org.pk/English%20Tafsir%20e%20Haqeeqat/00.Arabic%20Text/036.%20Ya%20Seen/36.70.gif
              so that he may warn/revive from slumber/admonish the one who is living/alive

              http//haqeeqat.org.pk/English%20Tafsir%20e%20Haqeeqat/00.Arabic%20Text/036.%20Ya%20Seen/036.%20E%20Ya%20Seen.htm

              He cannot make the "dead" listen him,

              http//haqeeqat.org.pk/English%20Tafsir%20e%20Haqeeqat/00.Arabic%20Text/035.%20Fatir/35.22b.gif
              but/and you the Messenger cannot make those hear who are in the graves ,

              http//haqeeqat.org.pk/English%20Tafsir%20e%20Haqeeqat/00.Arabic%20Text/035.%20Fatir/035.%20B%20Fatir.htm

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                Thereformer1
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                Salaam,
                I love it that to qualify as a Muslim, one has to testify that there is no god but God AND that Muhammad is His messenger. The first part I wholly agree. But I cannot imagine Muhammad would say, "... and Muhammad is His messenger." nor can I image that Muhammad would say the "shalawat Nabi" when he prayed. I also cannot imagine that the prophets before Muhammad would say the second part of shahada (Well obviously). Hmmm, maybe the prophets before Muhammad was born weren't muslims? That is off course, using the criterion the traditional Muslims use .
                Salaam.

                well, the prophet has testified to himself that he is the messenger of God, if you have any problem with that, you're not Muslim and Muslims are away from your evil spirit. Yes the prophet said that he is the messenger of God and he said everything about himself , that's what you can't stand or better your soul can't stand, God has made the name of the prophet side by side to his name, you have a problem with that go do like this brickwall .

                we are not talking about before neither about today, the imoprtant thing is that we born Muslim.

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                  He was sent to convey to everyone who is living

                  http//haqeeqat.org.pk/English%20Tafsir%20e%20Haqeeqat/00.Arabic%20Text/036.%20Ya%20Seen/36.70.gif
                  so that he may warn/revive from slumber/admonish the one who is living/alive

                  http//haqeeqat.org.pk/English%20Tafsir%20e%20Haqeeqat/00.Arabic%20Text/036.%20Ya%20Seen/036.%20E%20Ya%20Seen.htm

                  He cannot make the "dead" listen him,

                  http//haqeeqat.org.pk/English%20Tafsir%20e%20Haqeeqat/00.Arabic%20Text/035.%20Fatir/35.22b.gif
                  but/and you the Messenger cannot make those hear who are in the graves ,

                  http//haqeeqat.org.pk/English%20Tafsir%20e%20Haqeeqat/00.Arabic%20Text/035.%20Fatir/035.%20B%20Fatir.htm

                  convey to every one living among his people or all over the world? did he ever visited e.g india to convey the messsage? hmm

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                    Thereformer1
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                    Really? I didn't know it was genetic.

                    I've said before that really you don't know nothing, better for you just readddddddddddd and make people suggest.

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                      Thereformer1
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                      convey to every one living among his people or all over the world? did he ever visited e.g india to convey the messsage? hmm

                      Rasul Hamsa don't bother yourself with Mazhar, he can't even understand the verses and they like to decorate it instead of understand it.

                      by the way he takes the verses from free mind translations which wrong.

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                        Thereformer1
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                        convey to every one living among his people or all over the world? did he ever visited e.g india to convey the messsage? hmm

                        RasulHamsa don't bother yourself with Mazhar, he likes to decorate verses instead of understand them in the first place.

                        andby the way the verses that he gave you are from free-mind translation, which is usually wrong translation.

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                          unknownuser
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                          Rasul Hamsa don't bother yourself with Mazhar, he can't even understand the verses and they like to decor it instead of understand it.

                          by the way he takes te verses from free mind translations which wrong.

                          ok brother, thanks for the advice.

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                            Thereformer1
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                            And we're told that Abraham told his offsprings to embrace Islam all their lives (2132). I wonder if they said the second part of shahada? Or if they performed the "sunnah of Muhammad".

                            this was before the coming of the prophet so they are released from it but what you don't know they were practicing the Sunnah of Abraham which typically the same as Sunnah of the prophet peace be upon him.

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                              Mazhar
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                              convey to every one living among his people or all over the world? did he ever visited e.g india to convey the messsage? hmm

                              Have you received the Grand Qur'aan? If having recived the Qur'aan yet one thinks he is not being admonished by the Messenger through Qur'aan, and does not listen his words then believe me that one is already dead.

                              http//haqeeqat.org.pk/English%20Tafsir%20e%20Haqeeqat/00.Arabic%20Text/006.%20Al%20Anaam/temp%2002%206.019k.gif
                              And this Qur'aan has been communicated to me so that I admonish/awaken you the living people with this and to admonish/awaken the one whom this Qur'aan reached". ;

                              http//haqeeqat.org.pk/English%20Tafsir%20e%20Haqeeqat/00.Arabic%20Text/006.%20Al%20Anaam/006.%20Al%20Anaam%20A.htm

                              And if one thinks that he is neither included amongst "An Naas" nor is he included in "Kum", as stated In Qur'aan, then amongst whom he places himself?

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                                Mazhar
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                                http//andby the way the verses that he gave you are from free-mind translation, which is usually wrong translation.

                                Match a translation of a single verse so far quoted with the translation of Free Mind, if you are truthful in what you say merely with mouth?

                                And if you are truly a born Arab, please point out omission in the translation posted of the words of Qur'aan!!!

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                                  Have you received the Grand Qur'aan? If having recived the Qur'aan yet one thinks he is not being admonished by the Messenger through Qur'aan, and does not listen his words then believe me that one is already dead.

                                  http//haqeeqat.org.pk/English%20Tafsir%20e%20Haqeeqat/00.Arabic%20Text/006.%20Al%20Anaam/temp%2002%206.019k.gif
                                  And this Qur'aan has been communicated to me so that I admonish/awaken you the living people with this and to admonish/awaken the one whom this Qur'aan reached". ;

                                  http//haqeeqat.org.pk/English%20Tafsir%20e%20Haqeeqat/00.Arabic%20Text/006.%20Al%20Anaam/006.%20Al%20Anaam%20A.htm

                                  And if one thinks that he is neither included amongst "An Naas" nor is he included in "Kum", as stated In Qur'aan, then amongst whom he places himself?

                                  he is the warner for each and every person among his nation whom quran reached or warner to all over the world and hence the question that did he ever visit e.g india to covey his message in a plain easy to understand local language?

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                                    Mazhar
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                                    he is the warner for each and every person among his nation whom quran reached or warner to all over the world and hence the question that did he ever visit e.g india to covey his message in a plain easy to understand local language?

                                    Now Allah is telling this to him
                                    http//haqeeqat.org.pk/English%20Tafsir%20e%20Haqeeqat/00.Arabic%20Text/034.%20Saba/Temp%2001%2034.28.gif
                                    And We have not sent you, except as guarantor/giver of glad tidings and awakener/admonisher for the whole of living humanity
                                    http//haqeeqat.org.pk/English%20Tafsir%20e%20Haqeeqat/00.Arabic%20Text/007.%20Al%20Airaaf/7.187g.gif
                                    but most of the people they do not accept it/intend to recognize this fact.

                                    http//haqeeqat.org.pk/English%20Tafsir%20e%20Haqeeqat/00.Arabic%20Text/034.%20Saba/034.%20B%20Saba.htm

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                                      Now Allah is telling this to him
                                      http//haqeeqat.org.pk/English%20Tafsir%20e%20Haqeeqat/00.Arabic%20Text/034.%20Saba/Temp%2001%2034.28.gif
                                      And We have not sent you, except as guarantor/giver of glad tidings and awakener/admonisher for the whole of living humanity
                                      http//haqeeqat.org.pk/English%20Tafsir%20e%20Haqeeqat/00.Arabic%20Text/007.%20Al%20Airaaf/7.187g.gif
                                      but most of the people they do not accept it/intend to recognize this fact.

                                      http//haqeeqat.org.pk/English%20Tafsir%20e%20Haqeeqat/00.Arabic%20Text/034.%20Saba/034.%20B%20Saba.htm

                                      Mazhar, brother, we all know he was sent to naas, people, human beings, but translating that "whole of humanity" is what I'm trying to understand and I'm not sure about your or anyone else's translation.

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                                        Leyna
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                                        Good morning

                                        I've said the truth that I'm better than him. is that arrogance ? .

                                        being better than someone, means that he should listen to you not bring silly ideas where he will look like a fool man.

                                        I said I'm better than him and I meant by it that I know things more than him.

                                        Interesting definition of "being better". http//www.cheesebuerger.de/images/smilie/konfus/n035.gif

                                        I'm sad because nothing in this post is yours ( copy/coll? ).

                                        And your point is?

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                                          aynur
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                                          God has made the name of the prophet side by side to his name, you have a problem with that go do like this brickwall .

                                          What? Do I understand you right? Are you saying that Prophet Muhammad (saw) is on the same level as God?
                                          Hopefully I misunderstand you....

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