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    Thereformer1
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    finally you said something I agree with rotfl rotfl rotfl

    what's your point ?

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      Ayisha
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      what's your point ?

      rotfl rotfl bravo laugh

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        Thereformer1
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        rotfl rotfl bravo laugh

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          Ayisha
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          aww you edited it voodoo

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            Leyna
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            Hi RasulHamsa

            when we have the latest version of revelations, the quran and hadith, then why would you insist to read other scripture?

            For inspiration, for example. Most scriptures say the same basic things, but due to their respective cultural backgrounds in different languages -- literally and metaphorically.

            I like reading various things from various sources. peace

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              Hi RasulHamsa
              For inspiration, for example. Most scriptures say the same basic things, but due to their respective cultural backgrounds in different languages -- literally and metaphorically.
              I like reading various things from various sources. peace

              Leyna you know that Salah Eddine Al Ayoubi have wrote the book of Moses and he added the metaphor and the ruls of the arabic language into the hebrew scriptures. so most of Jewish must thank him because their language is strong now because of Arabic language. and by the way you must not read th scriptures because Quran came to banned readin them and it is your choice, do whatver you want.

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                Ayisha
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                and by the way you must not read th scriptures because Quran came to banned readin them and it is your choice, do whatver you want.

                where does Quran say it bans reading the previous scriptures please?

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                  where does Quran say it bans reading the previous scriptures please?

                  apparently nowhere, but as the mufassir of the quran is prophet himself so he banned it! now either you obey him or you dont! choice is yours as always

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                    Ayisha
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                    apparently nowhere, but as the mufassir of the quran is prophet himself so he banned it! now either you obey him or you dont! choice is yours as always )

                    Now why would a prophet ban what Allah says this about

                    003.003
                    YUSUFALI It is He Who sent down to thee (step by step), in truth, the Book, confirming what went before it; and He sent down the Law (of Moses) and the Gospel (of Jesus) before this, as a guide to mankind, and He sent down the criterion (of judgment between right and wrong).

                    The Book is Quran, it confirms the Law given to Moses and the Gospel of Jesus. Allah does not ban reading these previous messages, He actually tells you they are also from Him and PART of the message from Him.

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                    YUSUFALI It was We who revealed the law (to Moses) therein was guidance and light. By its standard have been judged the Jews, by the prophets who bowed (as in Islam) to Allah's will, by the rabbis and the doctors of law for to them was entrusted the protection of Allah's book, and they were witnesses thereto therefore fear not men, but fear me, and sell not my signs for a miserable price. If any do fail to judge by (the light of) what Allah hath revealed, they are (no better than) Unbelievers.

                    005.045....................And if any fail to judge by (the light of) what Allah hath revealed, they are (No better than) wrong-doers.

                    005.046...................... If any do fail to judge by (the light of) what Allah hath revealed, they are (no better than) those who rebel

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                    YUSUFALI If only they had stood fast by the Law, the Gospel, and all the revelation that was sent to them from their Lord, they would have enjoyed happiness from every side. There is from among them a party on the right course but many of them follow a course that is evil.

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                    YUSUFALI Allah hath purchased of the believers their persons and their goods; for theirs (in return) is the garden (of Paradise) they fight in His cause, and slay and are slain a promise binding on Him in truth, through the Law, the Gospel, and the Qur'an and who is more faithful to his covenant than Allah? then rejoice in the bargain which ye have concluded that is the achievement supreme.

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                    YUSUFALI The Truth (comes) from Allah alone; so be not of those who doubt.

                    I will obey Him and His guidence in in His Book, but thanks for giving me a choice

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                      Now why would a prophet ban what Allah says this about

                      using your own reason in religious matters is not a good idea! Those who obey the prophet don't question or use their own reason.

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                        using your own reason in religious matters is not a good idea! Those who obey the prophet don't question or use their own reason.

                        laugh

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                          Andya_Primanda
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                          using your own reason in religious matters is not a good idea! Those who obey the prophet don't question or use their own reason.

                          This sentence reminds me why I like your approach bro. Tongue-in-cheek.

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                            Thereformer1
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                            using your own reason in religious matters is not a good idea! Those who obey the prophet don't question or use their own reason.

                            look my brother, this is my problem with these guys here, they don't ask questions about Akida, they like to ask questions about Nakidoha .

                            they don't know this verse

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                              Thereformer1
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                              where does Quran say it bans reading the previous scriptures please?

                              well, you should not read the other scriptures, accept it like that or do whatever you want.

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                                using your own reason in religious matters is not a good idea! Those who obey the prophet don't question or use their own reason.

                                Well thats obvious from some of the replies here and in complete contrast to what Allah has said in Quran. here are a few verses that tell you to think and reflect, which means using your own mind and reasoning, there are many more verses saying the same thing, to use your MIND and BRAIN instead of being lazy and hoping someone else has done it all for you.

                                2219......................Thus doth Allah Make clear to you His Signs In order that ye may consider/give thought/reflect-
                                2266............. Thus doth Allah make clear to you (His) Signs; that ye may consider/give thought/reflect.
                                006.050 Say "I tell you not that with me are the treasures of Allah, nor do I know what is hidden, nor do I tell you I am an angel. I but follow what is revealed to me." Say "can the blind be held equal to the seeing?" Will ye then consider/give thought/reflect not?
                                7176 ......................perchance they may reflect/consider/give thought
                                7184........................Do they not reflect/consider/give thought?
                                1024..........................thus do We explain the Signs in detail for those who reflect/consider/give thought.
                                1303................Behold, verily in these things there are signs for those who consider/reflect/give thought!
                                1611...........verily in this is a sign for those who give thought/consider/reflect.
                                49.6 O ye who believe! If a wicked person comes to you with any news, ascertain the truth, lest ye harm people unwittingly, and afterwards become full of repentance for what ye have done.

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                                  Ayisha
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                                  well, you should not read the other scriptures, accept it like that or do whatever you want.

                                  So you cannot answer the question because this is your own invention and is nowhere in Quran, in fact you have added to Allahs words and made something haram which Allah did not.

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                                    Thereformer1
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                                    So you cannot answer the question because this is your own invention and is nowhere in Quran, in fact you have added to Allahs words and made something haram which Allah did not.

                                    No, is not about answering the question, is about do I consider it a question ?.

                                    I didn't added to Allah's words anything, the prophet peace be upon him never read any other book from Allah except Quran, so are you better than him ? get real.

                                    and the prophet peace be upon him got angry when he saw Omar Bno Al Khatab holding the book of Moses (the THOWARTE), and he said

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                                      Ayisha
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                                      No, is not about answering the question, is about do I consider it a question ?.

                                      "where does Quran say it bans reading the previous scriptures please? " The word 'where' at the beginning of my 'question' and the question mark (?) at the end makes it a 'question'.

                                      I didn't added to Allah's words anything, the prophet peace be upon him never read any other book from Allah except Quran, so are you better than him ? get real.
                                      The prophet never read Quran either, he couldnt read or write, should we ban Quran too?

                                      and the prophet peace be upon him got angry when he saw Omar Bno Al Khatab holding the book of Moses (the THOWARTE), and he said

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                                      That is hadith, I specifically asked where in QURAN. You cant use hadith to justify hadith when you have been asked where in QURAN it says this. Admit it doesnt say it, in fact Quran promotes reading these books, it confirms they are also from the same source. To study anything, ANYTHING, you start at the beginning, not at the end and then say you know it and understand it.

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                                        Leyna
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                                        Hi reformer

                                        you must not read th scriptures because Quran came to banned readin them and it is your choice, do whatver you want.

                                        I wasn't referring to Christian and Jewish scriptures, there are others too. )

                                        This, for example, is a quote I like very much

                                        Constancy in Self-knowledge, perception of the end of true knowledge?this is declared to be knowledge, and what is opposed to it is ignorance.

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                                          "where does Quran say it bans reading the previous scriptures please? " The word 'where' at the beginning of my 'question' and the question mark (?) at the end makes it a 'question'.

                                          where does Quran say that where does Quran say that, are you with a mental disease, not everything in Quran, this is what you must learn using your mind yourself, the other Books of Allah have been distorted, so Quran came to ban reading them. can I know why you want to read the other books from Allah?

                                          The prophet never read Quran either, he couldnt read or write, should we ban Quran too?

                                          hahaha and what this verse means { {

                                          That is hadith, I specifically asked where in QURAN. You cant use hadith to justify hadith when you have been asked where in QURAN it says this. Admit it doesnt say it, in fact Quran promotes reading these books, it confirms they are also from the same source. To study anything, ANYTHING, you start at the beginning, not at the end and then say you know it and understand it.

                                          No, wrong ..... this is the verse

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                                          we believe in the prophets and we believe in their books, but we don't read them because they have been distorted and Quran came to ban reading them except the scientists of Quran because they have to defend about any misunderstood about Quran.

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