one Question for Quranists
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If I say I've read it, that means I have read it. Please quit playing childish games.
ok, I believe you .
I know she is a woman. Duh! Ever heard of a man called Fatima?
Yeah, it might be his last name lloll !
What you think is irrelevant. As I said, the author meticulously lists all her sources and references in the appendices.
her book based in science sociology.
Am I understanding this correctly? You assume that every woman who questions misogynistic traditions or male dominance based on dubious teachings has been beaten by her husband?
I was just kidding, but from the tittle seems that he has some issues with men.
Sorry, but this is just ridiculous.
No, it was funny.
Anyway ... I don't think there is any benefit in discussing a book with someone who has not read it and bases his judgement on assumptions and prejudices rather than on the actual contents. I posted this excerpt because I think it contains some interesting things. You obviously feel it is an attack on Islam because it questions and threatens your illusions about male supremacy. While your reactions were to be expected, I don't think it makes any sense to further debate the issue.
peacethe author lives in my country and she is like a which, her book might contain spells and curses if someone reads it. rotfl, so I don't want to be cursed.
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http//www.oxfordislamicstudies.com/article/opr/t236/e0527
I know her, she is from Morocco and I'm from Morocco . have you ever seen her ?
http//www.helali.net/salma/images/FatimaMernissi.jpg a which isn't? lol
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a which isn't? lol
Not sure how you define witch. To me, she looks like an attractive, cheerful lady.
I am familiar with the picture you posted. I've just used it in one of my recent projects -- designing some materials for a community of Muslim women. yes
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Not sure how you define witch. To me, she looks like an attractive, cheerful lady.
I am familiar with the picture you posted. I've just used it in one of my recent projects -- designing some materials for a community of Muslim women. yesyou know that her books are full of historical mistakes, and she got a bad critical because she just let her imagination to narrate the history, none of her work is a study. She just dreams about history and then she writes a book. I have read a criticism about her books which the they considered her writings as an imagination stories with a little bit of a true ones.
Yeah, she looks like an attractive, that's why she is unmarried.
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No one had a better imagination than Ibn Ishaq who wrote the seerah ONE HUNDRED AND FIFTY YEARS after the Prophet.
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I have read a criticism about her books which the they considered her writings as an imagination stories with a little bit of a true ones.
Wow, you read a "criticism" and know everything you need to know without reading the actual book. That's amazing -- alf mabrouk. yes
On a serious note ... I would suggest you read 1736.
Yeah, she looks like an attractive, that's why she is unmarried.
Well, beauty is in the eye of the beholder. As for your implication that every woman who is not married must be ugly ... that says more about your attitude than about any unmarried woman, I'd say.
hmmAre you married, reformer? If not, I guess we can assume that you are not attractive, right?
peace
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Good post Layna, in reading this thread its come to me Abu Huraira is similar to St Paul, Paul changed the message of Jesus into man worship just as Abu Huraira has with Muhammeds message.
Mind your words. Sydena Abu Huraira with whom Allah is pleased has not given you all this junk material but it is Bukhari and others amd Reformer here who are attributing it to him as narrater. You do not have any book authored by him. Any person who is dead and has not left behind a book authored by him should never be subjected to criticism.
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Abu Huraira and so many lies
Abu Hurayra, came from Yemen in the seventh year of Hijra and converted to Islam. He stayed in the company of the Prophet Muhammed less than two years. He narrated more than 5000 hadiths, actually 5374 hadiths, from this less than two years company, (Compare this with the relatively few hadiths narrated by Aysha, Abu Baker, or Omar, for example, after very long company of the prophet) . Most of his narrated hadiths are called the "Aahad" hadiths, i.e. hadiths only witnessed by one person, this one person was Abu Hurayra himself. Some of the Prophets companions (Sahaba) and Aysha, the Prophet's wife, accused him of being a liar, telling lies about the prophets just to make up hadiths and gain some status. Omar Ibn Al-Khattab, the second guided Khalifa threatened Abu Hurayra to send him to exile if he does not stop telling hadiths about Muhammed, he did stop until Omar's assassination then started again. He kept telling hadiths to please the Khalifa of the Muslims then, including the time he lived in the Royal Palace of Mu"aawiyah in Syria. Abu Hurayra told his audience that he is telling them hadiths that if he ever mentioned when Omar was alive, he would be given several lashes.
Abu Jaafar Al Iskafy mentioned that the Khalifa, Mu'aawiyah, chose some of the people, including Abu Hurayra to tell fabricated stories and hadiths about Ali Ibn Abu Talib, the Prophet's cousin, to degrade him. Abu Hurayra lived in Mu'aawiyah's Royal Palace then and served him including serving his political views. He produced some of the hadiths that demean and insult Ali Ibn Abu Talib, and make him in a lower grade to Abu Baker, Omar and Othman, only for the pleasure of Mu"aawiyah.
During Mu'aawiyah's rule, many hadiths, with the help of Abu Hurayra were invented that support the view that the Imam or Khalifa, should be obeyed just like God or the messenger, contradicting the rule of the Quran that all the matters should be democratic by consultation.(Do not forget that Abu Hurayra was living in the Khalifa's Royal Palace at the time.)
Many of the hadiths that were narrated by Abu Hurayra contradict the other hadiths, including his own narrated hadiths and other people's hadiths and contradict the Quran and contradict common sense.
Abu Hurayra narrated hadiths after Kaab Al Ahbar, who was a Jewish convert who tried to explain the Quran by using the corrupted books of the Jews. He produced some of the most outrageous hadiths that is full of contradiction to the Quran, taken from false stories in the Torah.
The Islamic historians told the story of Abu Hurayra after given the governorship of Bahrain, got very rich in two years, so Omar called him back and told him "You, the enemy of Allah, you stole the money of Allah. I made you the Emir of Bahrain when you did not even have a pair of shoes, Where did you get all this money (400,000 Dirham)??" The history indicates that Omar took 10,000 Dirham from him.(Abu Hurayra admitted for only 20,000 Dirham)
Abu Hurayra was the one accused most of fabricating hadiths. Aysha, the Prophet's wife always accused him of telling inaccurate or incomplete stories and of fabricating hadiths that she never heard the prophet saying them. Abu Hurayra is well known for his prejudice against the women and the dogs. He produced some of the most insulting hadiths to Muslim women, and hadiths that call for the killing of the dogs . If we apply the rigid criteria claimed to be used by the Scholars like Bukhary and Moslem, for accepting those who narrated hadiths, Abu Hurayra will be the first one to fail the test and his hadiths will be the first to be counted among the fabrications.
Aysha and Abu Huraira at odds
In the famous book "Taa'oueel Mukhtalaf Alhadith" by Ibn Qutaiba Al-Dinory, the story of Aysha (the Prophet's wife) telling Abu Hurayra; "You tell ahadiths about the prophet Muhammed that we never heard them from him" He answered (as Bukhary reported); "You (Aysha) were busy with your mirror and make up" She (Aysha) answered him; "It is you who were busy with your stomach and hunger. Your hunger kept you busy, you were running after the people in the allies, begging them for food, and they used to avoid you and get away from your way, and finally you would come back and pass out in front of my room and the people think you were crazy and step all over you."
The number of Hadiths collected by Abu Hurayra in comparison to Aysha, Abu Baker, Umar and Ali (Taken from a book entitled Hadith Literature It's Origin, Development, & Special Features by Muhammed Zubayr Siddiqui) are
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Abu Hurayra 5374
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"Aysha Umm al-Mu"minin 2210
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Umar Ibn al-Khattab 537
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Ali Ibn Abi Talib 536
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Abu Bakr al-Siddiq 142
First number indicates rank ...second number indicates number of Ahadith given.
Compare the numbers of Hadiths given by Abu Baker by that of Abu Hurayra while keeping in mind that Abu Baker accompanied the Prophet for about 23 years, while Abu Hurayra accompanied the Prophet for less than 2 years.
http//www.quran-islam.org/articles/part_1/history_hadith_1_(P114.html
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Wow, you read a "criticism" and know everything you need to know without reading the actual book. That's amazing -- alf mabrouk. yes
James Luther Adams said
Nothing is complete and thus nothing is exempt from criticism.
Well, beauty is in the eye of the beholder. As for your implication that every woman who is not married must be ugly ... that says more about your attitude than about any unmarried woman, I'd say.
hmmthat says nothing, I don't pay attention to beauty , I like the woman with a brain.
Are you married, reformer? If not, I guess we can assume that you are not attractive, right?
peacewell, basically I'm 21 years old, so in our society" Morocco" this age is still considered young,so marriage is impossible (girls will not accept you because you're younger) and I guess my personality is attractive but you have to ask people around me , not me .
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I see. That's why you posted a picture of her and commented on her looks.
Yeah, you know why ? when I saw her face, I remembered the wizard of Ozz ..that's why I commented on her looks because of a memory from my childhood.
;D ;D ;D
can I know the reason of "the 3 ;D" ?
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Yeh, I remember Wizard of Oz. She was the wicked witch of the east or was it west? Anyway, good movie, maybe they should do a remake and ask the lady in question to star as the witch! lol.
when I was a child, I was addicted to this movie, I've loved it, because of the wizrd of Oz (ohh & ) lol .
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Dear Leyna
When we were kids (many moons ago) and that move was played, it was the best thing since sliced bread for us! Up until that time, we were accustomed to the usual run of the mill, but the wizard of oz, an absolute classic. ........follow the yellow brick road......
Anyway, back to the subject at hand.
Peace
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I have to admit, I never saw the movie.
This was one of my favourite childhood book / movie characters
http//www.sweden.se/upload/Sweden_se/english/articles/SI/images/Pippi%20L?ngstrump/Pippi.film72DPI.jpg
yeshow old are you layna ? this is not an old movie ....the wizard of Oz is too classic .