one Question for Quranists
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Good post Layna, in reading this thread its come to me Abu Huraira is similar to St Paul, Paul changed the message of Jesus into man worship just as Abu Huraira has with Muhammeds message.
Mind your words. Sydena Abu Huraira with whom Allah is pleased has not given you all this junk material but it is Bukhari and others amd Reformer here who are attributing it to him as narrater. You do not have any book authored by him. Any person who is dead and has not left behind a book authored by him should never be subjected to criticism.
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Abu Huraira and so many lies
Abu Hurayra, came from Yemen in the seventh year of Hijra and converted to Islam. He stayed in the company of the Prophet Muhammed less than two years. He narrated more than 5000 hadiths, actually 5374 hadiths, from this less than two years company, (Compare this with the relatively few hadiths narrated by Aysha, Abu Baker, or Omar, for example, after very long company of the prophet) . Most of his narrated hadiths are called the "Aahad" hadiths, i.e. hadiths only witnessed by one person, this one person was Abu Hurayra himself. Some of the Prophets companions (Sahaba) and Aysha, the Prophet's wife, accused him of being a liar, telling lies about the prophets just to make up hadiths and gain some status. Omar Ibn Al-Khattab, the second guided Khalifa threatened Abu Hurayra to send him to exile if he does not stop telling hadiths about Muhammed, he did stop until Omar's assassination then started again. He kept telling hadiths to please the Khalifa of the Muslims then, including the time he lived in the Royal Palace of Mu"aawiyah in Syria. Abu Hurayra told his audience that he is telling them hadiths that if he ever mentioned when Omar was alive, he would be given several lashes.
Abu Jaafar Al Iskafy mentioned that the Khalifa, Mu'aawiyah, chose some of the people, including Abu Hurayra to tell fabricated stories and hadiths about Ali Ibn Abu Talib, the Prophet's cousin, to degrade him. Abu Hurayra lived in Mu'aawiyah's Royal Palace then and served him including serving his political views. He produced some of the hadiths that demean and insult Ali Ibn Abu Talib, and make him in a lower grade to Abu Baker, Omar and Othman, only for the pleasure of Mu"aawiyah.
During Mu'aawiyah's rule, many hadiths, with the help of Abu Hurayra were invented that support the view that the Imam or Khalifa, should be obeyed just like God or the messenger, contradicting the rule of the Quran that all the matters should be democratic by consultation.(Do not forget that Abu Hurayra was living in the Khalifa's Royal Palace at the time.)
Many of the hadiths that were narrated by Abu Hurayra contradict the other hadiths, including his own narrated hadiths and other people's hadiths and contradict the Quran and contradict common sense.
Abu Hurayra narrated hadiths after Kaab Al Ahbar, who was a Jewish convert who tried to explain the Quran by using the corrupted books of the Jews. He produced some of the most outrageous hadiths that is full of contradiction to the Quran, taken from false stories in the Torah.
The Islamic historians told the story of Abu Hurayra after given the governorship of Bahrain, got very rich in two years, so Omar called him back and told him "You, the enemy of Allah, you stole the money of Allah. I made you the Emir of Bahrain when you did not even have a pair of shoes, Where did you get all this money (400,000 Dirham)??" The history indicates that Omar took 10,000 Dirham from him.(Abu Hurayra admitted for only 20,000 Dirham)
Abu Hurayra was the one accused most of fabricating hadiths. Aysha, the Prophet's wife always accused him of telling inaccurate or incomplete stories and of fabricating hadiths that she never heard the prophet saying them. Abu Hurayra is well known for his prejudice against the women and the dogs. He produced some of the most insulting hadiths to Muslim women, and hadiths that call for the killing of the dogs . If we apply the rigid criteria claimed to be used by the Scholars like Bukhary and Moslem, for accepting those who narrated hadiths, Abu Hurayra will be the first one to fail the test and his hadiths will be the first to be counted among the fabrications.
Aysha and Abu Huraira at odds
In the famous book "Taa'oueel Mukhtalaf Alhadith" by Ibn Qutaiba Al-Dinory, the story of Aysha (the Prophet's wife) telling Abu Hurayra; "You tell ahadiths about the prophet Muhammed that we never heard them from him" He answered (as Bukhary reported); "You (Aysha) were busy with your mirror and make up" She (Aysha) answered him; "It is you who were busy with your stomach and hunger. Your hunger kept you busy, you were running after the people in the allies, begging them for food, and they used to avoid you and get away from your way, and finally you would come back and pass out in front of my room and the people think you were crazy and step all over you."
The number of Hadiths collected by Abu Hurayra in comparison to Aysha, Abu Baker, Umar and Ali (Taken from a book entitled Hadith Literature It's Origin, Development, & Special Features by Muhammed Zubayr Siddiqui) are
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Abu Hurayra 5374
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"Aysha Umm al-Mu"minin 2210
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Umar Ibn al-Khattab 537
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Ali Ibn Abi Talib 536
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Abu Bakr al-Siddiq 142
First number indicates rank ...second number indicates number of Ahadith given.
Compare the numbers of Hadiths given by Abu Baker by that of Abu Hurayra while keeping in mind that Abu Baker accompanied the Prophet for about 23 years, while Abu Hurayra accompanied the Prophet for less than 2 years.
http//www.quran-islam.org/articles/part_1/history_hadith_1_(P114.html
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Wow, you read a "criticism" and know everything you need to know without reading the actual book. That's amazing -- alf mabrouk. yes
James Luther Adams said
Nothing is complete and thus nothing is exempt from criticism.
Well, beauty is in the eye of the beholder. As for your implication that every woman who is not married must be ugly ... that says more about your attitude than about any unmarried woman, I'd say.
hmmthat says nothing, I don't pay attention to beauty , I like the woman with a brain.
Are you married, reformer? If not, I guess we can assume that you are not attractive, right?
peacewell, basically I'm 21 years old, so in our society" Morocco" this age is still considered young,so marriage is impossible (girls will not accept you because you're younger) and I guess my personality is attractive but you have to ask people around me , not me .
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I see. That's why you posted a picture of her and commented on her looks.
Yeah, you know why ? when I saw her face, I remembered the wizard of Ozz ..that's why I commented on her looks because of a memory from my childhood.
;D ;D ;D
can I know the reason of "the 3 ;D" ?
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Yeh, I remember Wizard of Oz. She was the wicked witch of the east or was it west? Anyway, good movie, maybe they should do a remake and ask the lady in question to star as the witch! lol.
when I was a child, I was addicted to this movie, I've loved it, because of the wizrd of Oz (ohh & ) lol .
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Dear Leyna
When we were kids (many moons ago) and that move was played, it was the best thing since sliced bread for us! Up until that time, we were accustomed to the usual run of the mill, but the wizard of oz, an absolute classic. ........follow the yellow brick road......
Anyway, back to the subject at hand.
Peace
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I have to admit, I never saw the movie.
This was one of my favourite childhood book / movie characters
http//www.sweden.se/upload/Sweden_se/english/articles/SI/images/Pippi%20L?ngstrump/Pippi.film72DPI.jpg
yeshow old are you layna ? this is not an old movie ....the wizard of Oz is too classic .
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Why do you notice the splinter in your brother's eye, but do not perceive the wooden beam in your own?
How can you say to your brother, 'Brother, let me remove that splinter in your eye,' when you do not even notice the wooden beam in your own eye? You hypocrite! Remove the wooden beam from your eye first; then you will see clearly to remove the splinter in your brother's eye.
(Luke 6, 41/42)
Praise God, second time I have come across some pearls of wisdom, from this poster, layna, . Keep it up, maybe if you have time, maybe give a book I am writing a read, I have online as one page, not much of web designer, and not very familiar with wordpress, if two are right will the third be right, I think it would be different, a freedom for the third, or for one of them, if all three are right, I dunno, I write as it appears I'm uncertain whether there is any logic in all three, other than seeing it from my own perspective. I think I'm wasting my talent on here, but I'm gaining just as much as I'm giving, insha allah, let me know if it rings true, or is fallible. Speech is free, but I keep thinking certain particulars I'm giving the wrong impression, I hope to get it published one day, God willing, but always have it up on the net, with the music and the art and the writing.
peace
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Sorry friends, I do witness a lot of time being wasted here on topics that are otherwise very crucial and thought-provoking.
Someone is putting a question without a purpose and with no head or tail thereof. And all the Free Minds just flocking around the guy and chirping meaningless rhetoric endlessly. Affording superfluous importance to meaningless dogmas.
The guy is a shaky pot with no base to stand upon. Propagating supposed concocted personalities with a lot of hear-say being ascribed to the Prophet. Claiming to be a Hadith follower. A follower of "Cat" (Abu Huraira) and "Dog". A Mushrik. As the following that is prescribed is just of the Book and the Rasool. Not of those who "report" through generations and sources, what Rasool had said two and a half centuries back. What Rasool said or done, was Quran wholly and solely, as he was bound to act acc. to nothing but Quran. And Quran is "Detailed, authoritative and narrates all that is needed for guidance". The bloody worship "Namaz" is nowhere prescribed or detailed therein. What have we to do with that "Namaz"? We have Salat - "the following in letter and spirit of the tenets of Quran".
Don't play in the hands of a Mushrik's speculative verbiage. I am sorry for this label but it is just in reciprocation of his identical labelling.
Of course everyone is free to speak here and it is a pass-time. However, a leisure time too must be constructive and rewarding, rather enjoyable - not sickening.
God bless you all.
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Sorry friends, I do witness a lot of time being wasted here on topics that are otherwise very crucial and thought-provoking.
if it is a waste of time, why do you make a reply here ? do you have a disintegration of the process of thinking? .
Someone is putting a question without a purpose and with no head or tail thereof. And all the Free Minds just flocking around the guy and chirping meaningless rhetoric endlessly. Affording superfluous importance to meaningless dogmas.
AH!! Mr.head and tail , do you have a better question ? I doubt because your head is empty.
the only dogmatic person I've ever seen is you .The guy is a shaky pot with no base to stand upon.
well, this is you. do you have any idea about me to say that ?
Propagating supposed concocted personalities with a lot of hear-say being ascribed to the Prophet. Claiming to be a Hadith follower. A follower of "Cat" (Abu Huraira) and "Dog". A Mushrik.
Congratulation, you have just make a sin calling a Mushrik, by the way do you what does this word means?
ah one more thing Cat can make severe wounds in your face and Dog can bite, so be careful.As the following that is prescribed is just of the Book and the Rasool. Not of those who "report" through generations and sources, what Rasool had said two and a half centuries back. What Rasool said or done, was Quran wholly and solely, as he was bound to act acc. to nothing but Quran.
Can you explain how the Rassol Salla Laho Alayhe Wa-salam was thei sayings and their deeds from Quran ?
And Quran is "Detailed, authoritative and narrates all that is needed for guidance".
do you know where Quran is detailed ?
Don't play in the hands of a Mushrik's speculative verbiage. I am sorry for this label but it is just in reciprocation of his identical labelling.
well, you play in the hands of Satan .
Of course everyone is free to speak here and it is a pass-time. However, a leisure time too must be constructive and rewarding, rather enjoyable - not sickening.
God bless you all.No, you're not free in insulting people, if it is free, I'm sure I'll be your worst nightmares (you'll see my second face).
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one wonders if this guy is for real, threats, insults, rudeness, assumptions on a daily basis o
haha, that wa sn't funny>> you want just to see my posts as rude ones, look at what he said " eye for an eye" .
he insults me, so I must defend and the better thing is attack.
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he insults me, so I must defend and the better thing is attack.
ah one more thing Cat can make severe wounds in your face and Dog can bite, so be careful.
I'm sure I'll be your worst nightmares (you'll see my second face).
Not equal is the good response and the bad response. You shall resort to the nicest possible response. Thus, the one who used to be your enemy, may become your best friend.
4134And the servants of the Almighty who walk on the Earth in humility and if the ignorant speak to them, they Say "Peace."
2563Sahih Bukhari, Volume 8, Book 73, Number 83
Narrated Abu HurairaThe Prophet said, "Whoever does not give up false statements (i.e. telling lies), and evil deeds, and speaking bad words to others, Allah is not in need of his (fasting) leaving his food and drink."
Sahih Bukhari, Volume 8, Book 73, Number 85
Narrated Ibn Mas'udOnce Allah's Apostle divided and distributed (the war booty). An Ansar man said, "By Allah ! Muhammad, by this distribution, did not intend to please Allah." So I came to Allah's Apostle and informed him about it whereupon his face became changed with anger and he said, "May Allah bestow His Mercy on Moses for he was hurt with more than this, yet he remained patient."
Sahih Bukhari, Volume 8, Book 73, Number 70
Narrated 'AbdullahAllah's Apostle said, "Abusing a Muslim is Fusuq (i.e., an evil-doing), and killing him is Kufr (disbelief)."
Sahih Bukhari, Sahih Bukhari, Volume 8, Book 73, Number 42
Narrated Jarir bin 'AbdullahThe Prophet said, "He who is not merciful to others, will not be treated mercifully.
Sahih Bukhari, Volume 8, Book 73, Number 73
Narrated Thabit bin Ad-Dahhak(who was one of the companions who gave the pledge of allegiance to the Prophet underneath the tree (Al-Hudaibiya)) Allah's Apostle said, "Whoever swears by a religion other than Islam (i.e. if somebody swears by saying that he is a non-Muslim e.g., a Jew or a Christian, etc.) in case he is telling a lie, he is really so if his oath is false, and a person is not bound to fulfill a vow about a thing which he does not possess. And if somebody commits suicide with anything in this world, he will be tortured with that very thing on the Day of Resurrection; And if somebody curses a believer, then his sin will be as if he murdered him; And whoever accuses a believer of Kufr (disbelief), then it is as if he killed him."
Sahih Bukhari, Volume 8, Book 73, Number 135
Narrated Abu HurairaAllah's Apostle said, "The strong is not the one who overcomes the people by his strength, but the strong is the one who controls himself while in anger."
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Not equal is the good response and the bad response. You shall resort to the nicest possible response. Thus, the one who used to be your enemy, may become your best friend.
4134he called me a Mushrik, how I must respond him ? .
and by the way don't give an advice, you can't even bind in it as well.