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إِنَّ ٱلَّذِینَ كَفَرُوا۟ What have they disavowed?

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    Mazhar
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    What have they disavowed?

    The pseudo-scholar George Sale translated these three words "As for the unbelievers,". Thereafter, many plagiarized.

    Verb-Like Particle This is one of the six Particles called since, in some features, they resemble with verbs. They are sentential modifiers. What was earlier known as subject in a nominal sentence, because of its presence at the outset, that will now be called " -Noun of ", which is rendered in accusative case; and the predicate will be called which will be in nominative case/state.

    1. It is used in front of a nominal sentence only.
    2. It changes the grammatical case of the subject from nominative to accusative.
    3. This Particle has a truth-intensifying function when used at a beginning of statement. It emphasizes that what follows is true.
    1. It helps "neutralize" the emphatic effect of bringing subject in front of a verb in the nominal sentence and thus confers a normal tone on the sentence.

    Relative Pronoun; Plural; masculine. It is the subject noun of preceding Verb-Like Particle.

    This verbal sentence comprising of third person masculine plural perfect verb and subject pronoun referring the Relative pronoun is the linkage clause. Its Root is . Basic perception infolded is that of concealing, veiling, covering, hedging and denying to acknowledge a fact or favour.

    The point to determine is as to what have they denied to acknowledge - disavowed?

    Clue
    this verb is made transitive by using preposition

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      Mahdi_Ibrahim
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      The pseudo-scholar George Sale translated these three words "As for the unbelievers,". Thereafter, many plagiarized.

      here some more..
      https//www.islamawakened.com/quran/2/6/

      (2013 Edition) As for those who reject...
      (2011 Edition) As for those who reject...
      George Sale As for the unbelievers...
      Arthur John Arberry As for the unbelievers...
      N J Dawood (2014) As for the unbelievers...
      John Medows Rodwell As to the infidels...
      Edward Henry Palmer Verily, those who misbelieve...
      Safi Kaskas As for the unbelievers...
      M. M. Pickthall As for the Disbelievers...
      Abdel Haleem As for those who disbelieve...
      Talal A. Itani (new translation) As for those who disbelieve...
      Rashad Khalifa As for those who disbelieve...
      Bijan Moeinian As far as the disbelievers are concerned...
      Faridul Haque As for those whose fate is disbelief...
      Yusuf Ali (Saudi Rev. 1985) As to those who reject Faith...
      Yusuf Ali (Orig. 193 As to those who reject Faith...
      Wahiduddin Khan As for those who are bent on denying the truth...
      Ahmed Ali As for those who deny...
      Aisha Bewley As for those who are kafir...
      Ali Quli Qara'i As for the faithless...
      Shabbir Ahmed As for those who have chosen denial in advance...
      Syed Vickar Ahamed As to those (people) who reject Faith...
      The Ascendant Qur‘an, Muhammad H. al-‘Asi As for the kuffar...
      A.L. Bilal Muhammad et al (201 As for those who reject faith...
      Maududi As for those who have rejected (these things)...
      Amatul Rahman Omar As for those who are bent upon denying (the truth)...
      Thomas Cleary As for those who scoff...
      Shakir Surely those who disbelieve...
      Muhammad Asad BEHOLD, as for those who are bent on denying the truth...
      Dr. Laleh Bakhtiar Truly, as for those who were ungrateful...
      The Clear Quran, Dr. Mustafa Khattab As for those who persist in disbelief...
      Abdul Hye Surely, those who disbelieve...
      Abdul Majid Daryabadi Verily those who have disbelieved...
      Hamid S. Aziz Verily, those who disbelieve...
      Muhammad Mahmoud Ghali Surely, the ones who have disbelieved...
      Muhammad Taqi Usmani Surely for those who have disbelieved...
      Umm Muhammad (Sahih International) Indeed, those who disbelieve...
      Farook Malik In fact, as for those who reject Faith...
      Dr. Munir Munshey And for those who (choose to) reject...
      Dr. Kamal Omar Certainly, those who have disbelieved...
      Ali Bakhtiari Nejad For those who disbelieved...
      Mohammad Shafi For those, indeed, who suppress the Truth...
      Hasan Al-Fatih Qaribullah Those who disbelieve...
      Maulana Muhammad Ali Those who disbelieve...
      Muhammad Ahmed - Samira That those who disbelieved...
      Sher Ali Those who have disbelieved...
      Ahmed Raza Khan (Barelvi) Surely, as to those who are destined to infidelity...
      Dr. Mohammad Tahir-ul-Qadri Verily, those who have adopted disbelief...
      Muhsin Khan & Muhammad al-Hilali Verily, those who disbelieve...
      Sayyid Qutb For the unbelievers...
      Ahmed Hulusi Indeed, for those who deny (cover) the reality...
      Sayyed Abbas Sadr-Ameli Surely, (as for) those who reject Faith...
      Al-muntakhab fi tafsir al-Qur'an al-Karim As to those who deny Allah...
      Mir Aneesuddin For those who do not believe...

      Muhammad Sarwar Those who deny your message will not believe whether you warn them or not
      T.B.Irving It is all the same whether you warn those who disbelieve or do not warn them; they still will not believe
      The Study Quran Truly it is the same for the disbelievers whether thou warnest them or warnest them not; they do not believe.
      Ali Ünal (Despite the commitment and energy you show in striving to help people to believe,) those who willfully persist in unbelief it is alike to them whether you warn them or do not warn them; (although it is your mission to warn them and you do it without any neglect,) they will not believe.

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        Mahdi_Ibrahim
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        Its Root is ك ف ر. Basic perception infolded is that of concealing, veiling, covering, hedging and denying to acknowledge a fact or favour.

        The point to determine is as to what have they denied to acknowledge - disavowed?

        Can your Allah disobey Law of Nature (My God)?

        Proof?

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          Mazhar
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          All the translators quoted from IslamAwakened are after George Sale; and it was mentioned "Thereafter many plagiarized"

          Why called him pseudo-scholar? Just read preface of his work.

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            Mahdi_Ibrahim
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            All the translators quoted from IslamAwakened are after George Sale; and it was mentioned "Thereafter many plagiarized"

            Why called him pseudo-scholar? Just read preface of his work.

            I think you should stop judging people based on Hasty Generalization (ie. bigotry) and look at the argument... the Message (fact); ie. did he change Allah's argument in verse 2.6?

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              Mazhar
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              I think you should stop judging people based on Hasty Generalization (ie. bigotry) and look at the argument... the Message (fact); ie. did he change Allah's argument in verse 2.6?

              A man can be judged when he has left his writings.

              Yes, if he was a scholar, he must not have changed a verb like particle into a conjunction particle and a verbal sentence into a noun. No translation theory permits it.

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                Mahdi_Ibrahim
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                A man can be judged when he has left his writings.

                Yes, if he was a scholar, he must not have changed a verb like particle into a conjunction particle and a verbal sentence into a noun. No translation theory permits it.

                How does that answer this question?

                did he change Allah's argument in verse 2.6?

                and what is your translation on verse 2.6?

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                  Mazhar
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                  How does that answer this question?

                  and what is your translation on verse 2.6?

                  I have already given detailed analysis of each word. You know Arabic better than me. Try rendering it in English.

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                    Brother Mahdi.

                    Having had numerous conversations with you and judging by that, I will translate 26 as follows

                    "It makes no difference to people like yourself whether you warn them or leave them(and I did warn you many times brother like on Allah=energy, pork is halal,...etc?!!!),they will carry on with their false arguments regardless."

                    That is how I see it in most of your threads. .
                    GOD bless you.
                    Peace.

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                      Mazhar
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                      Brother Mahdi.

                      Having had numerous conversations with you and judging by that, I will translate 26 as follows

                      "It makes no difference to people like yourself whether you warn them or leave them(and I did warn you many times brother like on Allah=energy, pork is halal,...etc?!!!),they will carry on with their false arguments regardless."

                      That is how I see it in most of your threads. .
                      GOD bless you.
                      Peace.

                      Brother good logic,

                      The speaker in your rendition is Mahdi; and addressee is you and me; have I correctly understood.

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                        Brother Mahdi.

                        Having had numerous conversations with you and judging by that, I will translate 26 as follows

                        "It makes no difference to people like yourself whether you warn them or leave them(and I did warn you many times brother like on Allah=energy, pork is halal,...etc?!!!),they will carry on with their false arguments regardless."

                        That is how I see it in most of your threads. .
                        GOD bless you.
                        Peace.

                        You claimed Natural Order / Law of Nature / Sunnatullah is insane... how reliable or deluded is your argument / logic?

                        Which of you is mad? (686)

                        • delusional. characterized by or holding idiosyncratic beliefs or impressions that are contradicted by reality or rational argument, typically as a symptom of mental disorder.

                        • Insanity. mental illness of such a severe nature that a person cannot distinguish fantasy (unnature) from reality (nature).

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                          Mahdi_Ibrahim
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                          I have already given detailed analysis of each word. You know Arabic better than me. Try rendering it in English.

                          You know well that they do not speak. (2165)

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                            good_logic
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                            Yes I did address brother Mahdi. Like many other brothers and sisters here, I felt it was a waste of time and effort pointing to him contradictions. He has his own arguments as final say regardless what others say to him.

                            I do not mind if he at least look/reflects on, a contradiction or a false translation of certain words that are put to him with clear Qoran verses and grammar like in many of his threads. But he ignores facts and good arguments from others continuously.

                            All I can say is that it is his own way with the highway.

                            The risk of him not to be taken seriously is growing.

                            His choice brother Mazhar..
                            GOD bless you.
                            Peace.

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                              Mahdi_Ibrahim
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                              "You can't fix crazy, and crazy can't fix themselves."

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                                Mazhar
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                                Back to the question of thread, would someone try to answer?

                                What have they disavowed?

                                The pseudo-scholar George Sale translated these three words "As for the unbelievers,". Thereafter, many plagiarized.

                                Verb-Like Particle This is one of the six Particles called since, in some features, they resemble with verbs. They are sentential modifiers. What was earlier known as subject in a nominal sentence, because of its presence at the outset, that will now be called " -Noun of ", which is rendered in accusative case; and the predicate will be called which will be in nominative case/state.

                                1. It is used in front of a nominal sentence only.
                                2. It changes the grammatical case of the subject from nominative to accusative.
                                3. This Particle has a truth-intensifying function when used at a beginning of statement. It emphasizes that what follows is true.
                                1. It helps "neutralize" the emphatic effect of bringing subject in front of a verb in the nominal sentence and thus confers a normal tone on the sentence.

                                Relative Pronoun; Plural; masculine. It is the subject noun of preceding Verb-Like Particle.

                                This verbal sentence comprising of third person masculine plural perfect verb and subject pronoun referring the Relative pronoun is the linkage clause. Its Root is . Basic perception infolded is that of concealing, veiling, covering, hedging and denying to acknowledge a fact or favour.

                                The point to determine is as to what have they denied to acknowledge - disavowed?

                                Clue
                                this verb is made transitive by using preposition

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                                  good_logic
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                                  Thank you for acknowledging my points brother Mahdi. by your admission here, quote

                                  You can't fix crazy, and crazy can't fix themselves."

                                  I will not try again if you wish to stay "unfixed"
                                  GOD bless you.
                                  Peace.

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                                    imrankhawaja
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                                    cricket matches are getting FIXED by gambling.
                                    threads are getting fixed by brother mahdi although he himself getting fixed from someone else he named it energy lol.

                                    elders said dnt fix something if its not broken.
                                    make sure when u fixed it u still see the signs of fixing.

                                    brother mahdi here u go free on house for fixing hard nuts. elektro

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                                      Mahdi_Ibrahim
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                                      That's how they see Nature and Natural Order, the Sunnatullah ... truly deluded..

                                      You claimed Natural Order / Law of Nature / Sunnatullah is insane... how reliable or deluded is your argument / logic?

                                      Which of you is mad? (686)

                                      • delusional. characterized by or holding idiosyncratic beliefs or impressions that are contradicted by reality or rational argument, typically as a symptom of mental disorder.

                                      • Insanity. mental illness of such a severe nature that a person cannot distinguish fantasy (unnature) from reality (nature).

                                      I will not try again if you wish to stay "unfixed"

                                      threads are getting fixed by brother mahdi although he himself getting fixed from someone else he named it energy lol.

                                      Can you save those who are already in Hell? (3919)

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                                        Mahdi_Ibrahim
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                                        Back to the question of thread, would someone try to answer?

                                        what have they denied to acknowledge - disavowed?

                                        Sunnatullah ALONE!

                                        (Sunnatullah Alone Muslim, ie. Hanif... Pure Natural Believer)

                                        • Ibrahim was a community in himself, exemplary, obedient to Allah , a Hanif / man of pure natural belief / Sunnatullah Alone Muslim . He was not one of the idolaters/unnaturalist (idols of the Unnature or Forced Justice). He was thankful for His blessings. Allah chose him and guided him to a straight path. We gave him good in this world and in the Next World he will be one of the righteous. Then We revealed to you "Follow the ideology of Ibrahim a man of pure natural belief . He was not one of the idolaters/unnaturalist (idols of the Unnature or Forced Justice)." (16120-123)

                                        https//scontent.fkul1-1.fna.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-9/50683958_2276594285890483_8519042183934771200_n.jpg?_nc_cat=103&_nc_ht=scontent.fkul1-1.fna&oh=9d869fa00326b8e12c960ffeae92e639&oe=5CEC2D5D https//scontent.fkul1-1.fna.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-9/50708425_2277761332440445_2782912304117710848_n.jpg?_nc_cat=100&_nc_ht=scontent.fkul1-1.fna&oh=2638c4d59ab8399a400db17216bb38ab&oe=5CF1F5EC

                                        LordLaw (Energy) of NATURE

                                        Allah (is) the LordLaw (Energy) of the Universe. (12)

                                        (Energy make certain the LordLaw of Cause & Effect)

                                        Can your Allah disobey Law of Nature (My God)?

                                        Proof?

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                                          good_logic
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                                          Can your Allah disobey Law of Nature (My God)?

                                          Proof?
                                          Brother Mahdi,
                                          The above, your quote, is like putting the cart before the horse. This is your upside down logic at work again. This is nonsense terminology. This is absurd and ridiculous . Now take notice of this

                                          My GOD created your(and everything else's) law of nature (your god). It is your god that cannot -will not- disobey my GOD- Not the other way around-...."Wa Lillahi YSJUDU everything on earth and heaven including the law of nature".... They cannot disobey the creator. .NOT THE OTHER WAY AROUND!!!!

                                          You keep coming up with illogical phrases and shouting out one false argument after another using your upside down logic..
                                          It reminds me of the heavy stone that GOD cannot lift?!!!!....Warped logic and nonsense!
                                          This is how you should rephrase it

                                          Can your law of nature disobey my GOD? It makes perfect sense now!!!!!
                                          GOD bless you.
                                          Peace.

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