62:5 donkey carrying books...
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well, I've seen a lot of interpretation of this verse and all of these interpretations said "books", but I disagreed with these interpretations because it is not a good one and I have right to disagree with this interpretation while I can use Arabic to prove that they might be wrong . the example that God gave is about an animal which is a Donkey, which people have a wrong idea about this kind of animal and they said that this animal is dumb, no this is wrong and that's why those interpreters got their meanings from a false information through history. any example of an animal a horse or a camel if they carry books they will not understand , it is normal because they are animals , so why would God gave this example ? for one reason that Donkey has one mission is to carry things not like horse(can be used in different way and so the camel or the other animals ). I proved why I said baggages and I insisted that it's not books and the real meaning is baggages which they could be everything (books , forniture, rubbish, human, ..etc).
I don't know why a simple and straight forward example given in the verse is not distinctly being seen by an Arab. "Books" is the translation and not interpretation. The perception about donkey is not that of deaf, but of at times becoming stubborn and generally as lacking intelligence. People are compared with donkey, and the common thing between the two is carrying a specific book, and donkey carrying many books.
they are described like . What earlier one did afterwards they did not carry it except like a donkey who is carrying books. And very interesting thing is that they were given only One Book Torat while their people brought in books of a donkey load, as is the case with us these days that we have drafted and compiled on hearsay and conjectures as many books that make a donkey load.
All words made from this Root and used in the Qur'aan have been pasted. Nowhere it suggests "baggage". Can you quote for us from any Arabic Dictionary, earlier poetry, or learned Bukhari type people where it has been used for "baggage".
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No, I can prove using Arabic that they are not books and God knows, I agreed that the Baggage is from books, because God SWT is talking about the people who carried the book of Moses without practicing it and obeying what came in it. but it could be anything else of baggages.
I am sure you can try to prove from the Arabic that it was anything else you wish but it wont take away that the verse speaks of books, right? you agreed, right?the real meaning as I know that the meaning is baggages .
No it has been proven and you agreed the baggages in this verse are books, right? you agreed.No, but people when they talk about Donkey, they gave him the attributes of Dumb.
stick to the verse, stop adding things YOU think should be there and that YOU think people are thinking. Do you read minds?according to the verse the baggage of Books but it could be anything else and God knows.
Yes God knows and thats why He used the words He did. Its NOT anything else and according to the Arabic it IS books, so please stop saying it COULD be anything else. I am assuming if it was baggage of corn or clothing Allah would use a different word to the one that says it is books?
you were wrong, deal with it and accept a better understanding of the verses.
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I am sure you can try to prove from the Arabic that it was anything else you wish but it wont take away that the verse speaks of books, right? you agreed, right?
I'm not trying, I'm citing facts from Arabic language. Quran speaks of books after the verse where God mentioned the Donkey, he mentioned the term books "" and then he mentioned "" the book of Moses, so why he would say that donkey will carry books ? that's make no sense. the purpose of the example about the donkey that this animal carried things but he didn't use them or know them like jewish they take the book of Moses but they didn't use it or know it very well as they claimed. so again why would a donkey carry books ?
No it has been proven and you agreed the baggages in this verse are books, right? you agreed.
stick to the verse, stop adding things YOU think should be there and that YOU think people are thinking. Do you read minds?No, I didn't agree, I just said that the baggages could be books or anything else in the term that donkey can carry anything .
and Yes I've said the truth and I always fight with people that the donkey is not dumb as they claimed, wherever you go in the whole word they will say that donkey is dumb except some doctors and me lol.
Yes God knows and thats why He used the words He did. Its NOT anything else and according to the Arabic it IS books, so please stop saying it COULD be anything else. I am assuming if it was baggage of corn or clothing Allah would use a different word to the one that says it is books?
you were wrong, deal with it and accept a better understanding of the verses.Allah used words meanings books but definitely this word means baggages and it could be anything books forniture, you name it.
I was not wrong, and I'll not deal with it because I know very well the meaning of this word .
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I don't know why a simple and straight forward example given in the verse is not distinctly being seen by an Arab. "Books" is the translation and not interpretation. The perception about donkey is not that of deaf, but of at times becoming stubborn and generally as lacking intelligence. People are compared with donkey, and the common thing between the two is carrying a specific book, and donkey carrying many books.
they are described like . What earlier one did afterwards they did not carry it except like a donkey who is carrying books. And very interesting thing is that they were given only One Book Torat while their people brought in books of a donkey load, as is the case with us these days that we have drafted and compiled on hearsay and conjectures as many books that make a donkey load.
All words made from this Root and used in the Qur'aan have been pasted. Nowhere it suggests "baggage". Can you quote for us from any Arabic Dictionary, earlier poetry, or learned Bukhari type people where it has been used for "baggage".hey, thanks for your explanation, I really appreciate it but not for me , I know the meaning so stop trying to give me the meaning of a word that I know what it means . some words in Arabic you can't understand them if I use them in a different manner which your master or PhD in Arabic can't stand and this is not arrogance from me .
is baggages and they could be anything books, fornitures, human, anything just name it. -
hey, thanks for your explanation, I really appreciate it but not for me , I know the meaning so stop trying to give me the meaning of a word that I know what it means . some words in Arabic you can't understand them if I use them in a different manner which your master or PhD in Arabic can't stand and this is not arrogance from me .
is baggages and they could be anything books, fornitures, human, anything just name it.Why do you presume things in your own thoughts? Please quote that will help increase our knowledge.
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"I am sure you can try to prove from the Arabic that it was anything else you wish but it wont take away that the verse speaks of books, right? you agreed, right?"
I'm not trying, I'm citing facts from Arabic language. Quran speaks of books after the verse where God mentioned the Donkey, he mentioned the term books "" and then he mentioned "" the book of Moses, so why he would say that donkey will carry books ? that's make no sense. the purpose of the example about the donkey that this animal carried things but he didn't use them or know them like jewish they take the book of Moses but they didn't use it or know it very well as they claimed. so again why would a donkey carry books ?
You have managed to totally contradict yourself there.
"No it has been proven and you agreed the baggages in this verse are books, right? you agreed."
No, I didn't agree, I just said that the baggages could be books or anything else in the term that donkey can carry anything .
you DID agree here
Yes, you're right I've just forgot that what is being carried in the baggages are books or something else because Donkey can carry everything but in the verse it means that the donkey carry baggage of books .and Yes I've said the truth and I always fight with people that the donkey is not dumb as they claimed, wherever you go in the whole word they will say that donkey is dumb except some doctors and me lol.
no one here has called the donkey dumb, only you have brought that up, which is nothing to do with the verse. It seems you are desperately trying to get off the topic of the VERSE.Allah used words meanings books but definitely this word means baggages and it could be anything books forniture, you name it.
So Allah used the wrong word?? Do you think you need to correct Him on His language skills??I was not wrong, and I'll not deal with it because I know very well the meaning of this word .
Then you know better than Allah? You contradicted yourself again as you keep saying its not books then it is books, make your mind up, you seem very confused about what you actually mean. Thank God you're not a teacher ???
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Why do you presume things in your own thoughts? Please quote that will help increase our knowledge.
this is definitely not my own thoughts I used Arabic to make you understand and I used Arabic to explain to you the root and everything about the word and there is no way that the word means books (that it's not books alone), the word is baggages of books or anything else that a donkey can carry.
I've gave you the explantion before so ry to read it very well and get evrything I said from verb and plural things to source and roots.
and this is my question to you why would a donkey carry books ? in the sense of the jewish who they carry book to read them
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this is definitely not my own thoughts I used Arabic to make you understand and I used Arabic to explain to you the root and everything about the word and there is no way that the word means books (that it's not books alone), the word is baggages of books or anything else that a donkey can carry.
I've gave you the explantion before so ry to read it very well and get evrything I said from verb and plural things to source and roots.
and this is my question to you why would a donkey carry books ? in the sense of the jewish who they carry book to read them
the verse doesnt say the donkey was carrying the books to read them, do you think he was going to read them? ???
You are confusing me, it is books, its not books, it is books, its not books. ( ( Now donkeys dont carry books coz they cant read them ( (
I presume they would carry baggages of furniture for their own donkey stables too? o
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this is definitely not my own thoughts I used Arabic to make you understand and I used Arabic to explain to you the root and everything about the word and there is no way that the word means books (that it's not books alone), the word is baggages of books or anything else that a donkey can carry.
I've gave you the explantion before so ry to read it very well and get evrything I said from verb and plural things to source and roots.
and this is my question to you why would a donkey carry books ? in the sense of the jewish who they carry book to read them
So you could not find an instance where some one had ever used and employed this root to convey the meanings of baggage, yet are shy to admit it. O kay thanks.
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You have managed to totally contradict yourself there.
No, go read the verse first than talk .
"No it has been proven and you agreed the baggages in this verse are books, right? you agreed."
No, I said "baggages of books" the word still there wich baggages and I did add if you read the post very without pick on what you want (bold things) that this baggages could be anything >>>> read my posts all of them.
you DID agree here no one here has called the donkey dumb, only you have brought that up, which is nothing to do with the verse. It seems you are desperately trying to get off the topic of the VERSE.
where do you live ? if you're an Egypt you have lied to me because Egypt used to call people donkey if they are dumbs and I've heard that more than what you think and the same here where I live and I always said that donkey is not Dumb.
So Allah used the wrong word?? Do you think you need to correct Him on His language skills??
hey, stop putting words in my mouth , I didn't say that . you misunderstood what Allah means .
Then you know better than Allah? You contradicted yourself again as you keep saying its not books then it is books, make your mind up, you seem very confused about what you actually mean. Thank God you're not a teacher ???
again stop putting words in my mouth, I know what God gave me and nothing else, there are others more than me in knowledge and I can debate with them if I see myself know better in such a thing.
I'm not confused you're confused because you have received a new information makes you shaking from someone you don't like him .
I thank God because I'm not a teacher, I usually proved that teachers are wrong . I've got Excelent in very good in Islamic Education because a gift from God in understanding the Islamic Issues. so stop >> I can give you questions you'll not even whisper a word if you hear them.
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No, go read the verse first than talk .
I didNo, I said "baggages of books" the word still there wich baggages and I did add if you read the post very without pick on what you want (bold things) that this baggages could be anything >>>> read my posts all of them.
I did, you said it was bookswhere do you live ? if you're an Egypt you have lied to me because Egypt used to call people donkey if they are dumbs and I've heard that more than what you think and the same here where I live and I always said that donkey is not Dumb.
again you didnt read or understand what I said. I said no one HERE (in this forum on this topic), i did not say no one here (in Egypt), stop calling me a liar and learn to read properly please.hey, stop putting words in my mouth , I didn't say that . you misunderstood what Allah means .
again stop putting words in my mouth, I know what God gave me and nothing else, there are others more than me in knowledge and I can debate with them if I see myself know better in such a thing.
I just pointed out what YOU said, if you now disagree again with what YOU said then you need to seek professional helpI'm not confused you're confused because you have received a new information makes you shaking from someone you don't like him .
new information? you mean your additions to Quran and your interpretations? yes I am shaking with laughter. You are confused as you cant make your mind up about books or not books and you are trying to say Allah is using the wrong wording according to YOU and YOUR use and knowledge of Arabic. This in turn is making me very confused as I cant believe that when you have been shown the wording in Arabic that you agreed with you are then changing your mind and disagreeing with what YOU have previously said, yes thats confusing. It seems if I say one thing you will immediately jump in and say the opposite, maybe because its you that doesnt like me?I thank God because I'm not a teacher, I usually proved that teachers are wrong .
yes you are trying hard to prove Allah wrong too ;D ;D
I've got Excelent in very good in Islamic Education because a gift from God in understanding the Islamic Issues. so stop >>
How on earth did you learn in this education if you keep proving your teachers wrong? ???I can give you questions you'll not even whisper a word if you hear them.
but you dont manage to answer any questions do you
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I did, you said it was books
No, I said baggages of books or anything else .
again you didnt read or understand what I said. I said no one HERE (in this forum on this topic), i did not say no one here (in Egypt), stop calling me a liar and learn to read properly please.
the same thing , they will say it because of a false information through history .
I just pointed out what YOU said, if you now disagree again with what YOU said then you need to seek professional help
new information?No, you picked on what you want and you let what I really said which is baggages of books or anything else. I think you need a whole team of psychiatre to remove your confusion and your schizo matters.
you mean your additions to Quran and your interpretations? yes I am shaking with laughter.
did I say that , I have gave people here the word in Arabic and its meanings in Arabic which can be the same meaning in the verse . You know that I know this word and its meanings before reading this verse. so it was easy to give you the exact meaning of the word .
You are confused as you cant make your mind up about books or not books
I said baggages of books the important word here is baggages , about books it could place it anything else .
and you are trying to say Allah is using the wrong wording according to YOU and YOUR use and knowledge of Arabic.
I knew the meaning of this word before even read this verse, so it was easy for me to understand the meaning which is in turn difficult for you to get it.
This in turn is making me very confused as I cant believe that when you have been shown the wording in Arabic that you agreed with you are then changing your mind and disagreeing with what YOU have previously said, yes thats confusing. It seems if I say one thing you will immediately jump in and say the opposite, maybe because its you that doesnt like me?
I agreed when he said baggages of books because the real important word here is baggages not books . so definitely I'm still saying the same think with no confusion, it's my native language why should be confused in my own words ? do you?
yes you are trying hard to prove Allah wrong too ;D ;D
did I say that ? so congratulation for your sin (accusing someone that he said something but he didn't say it "' which forbidden ) .
How on earth did you learn in this education if you keep proving your teachers wrong? ???
they are teachers so they could be wrong because after all a teacher is not a well known in Fiqh and its science.
but you dont manage to answer any questions do you
what do you mean ?
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No, I said baggages of books or anything else .
you said on page 2 that THIS VERSE means books, the donkey was carrying BOOKS.the same thing , they will say it because of a false information through history .
So now you predict that people on this forum will start calling a donkey dumb? ??? When do you predict this will happen and in which topic, or will it have its own topic? ???No, you picked on what you want and you let what I really said which is baggages of books or anything else. I think you need a whole team of psychiatre to remove your confusion and your schizo matters.
I highlighted YOUR wordsdid I say that , I have gave people here the word in Arabic and its meanings in Arabic which can be the same meaning in the verse . You know that I know this word and its meanings before reading this verse. so it was easy to give you the exact meaning of the word .
and the exact meaning of the word has already been established as BOOKS by brother Mazhar and agreed by you. Why are you still arguing about what you said? ???I said baggages of books the important word here is baggages , about books it could place it anything else .
no the word is BOOKS, it is not baggages as has also been established by brother Mazhar and you didnt answer his question on HOW do you get that means baggagesI knew the meaning of this word before even read this verse, so it was easy for me to understand the meaning which is in turn difficult for you to get it.
that explains the problem!I agreed when he said baggages of books because the real important word here is baggages not books . so definitely I'm still saying the same think with no confusion, it's my native language why should be confused in my own words ? do you?
go back to page 2 and answer how you get the word baggages when its clearly books. You do seem very confused even in your own languageAllah used words meanings books but definitely this word means baggages and it could be anything books forniture, you name it.
did I say that ? so congratulation for your sin (accusing someone that he said something but he didn't say it "' which forbidden ) .
yes you said that here "Allah used words meanings books but definitely this word means baggages and it could be anything books forniture, you name it."
You have sinned in every post as you predict what people WILL say, what they think, what they believe and even accused a man of saying he touched a woman who didnt.
they are teachers so they could be wrong because after all a teacher is not a well known in Fiqh and its science.
how do they manage to teach anything without you to guide them? (what do you mean ?
I mean you dont answer ANY questions you are asked, even that one!
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you said on page 2 that THIS VERSE means books, the donkey was carrying BOOKS.
So now you predict that people on this forum will start calling a donkey dumb? ??? When do you predict this will happen and in which topic, or will it have its own topic? ???
I highlighted YOUR words
and the exact meaning of the word has already been established as BOOKS by brother Mazhar and agreed by you. Why are you still arguing about what you said? ???
no the word is BOOKS, it is not baggages as has also been established by brother Mazhar and you didnt answer his question on HOW do you get that means baggages
that explains the problem!
go back to page 2 and answer how you get the word baggages when its clearly books. You do seem very confused even in your own language
Allah used words meanings books but definitely this word means baggages and it could be anything books forniture, you name it.
yes you said that here "Allah used words meanings books but definitely this word means baggages and it could be anything books forniture, you name it."
You have sinned in every post as you predict what people WILL say, what they think, what they believe and even accused a man of saying he touched a woman who didnt.
how do they manage to teach anything without you to guide them?
I mean you dont answer ANY questions you are asked, even that one!I think you don't deserve a reply from because your aim is to keep contradicting with me without even read my posts . and I'm really wasting my time talking to a woman has some issues in their background of silly mentality .
and by the way I agreed with Ayyub (because he also said baggages of books) not Mazhar .
for your last post, sorry to say that I will not share any answer again, I'll answer the OP but I'll not answer anyone of you if you quote or ask me about what I said .
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I think you don't deserve a reply from because your aim is to keep contradicting with me without even read my posts .
I have read your posts, thats the posts I keep referring to and highlighting. Its you that keeps on contradicting yourself, not me contradicting you.
and I'm really wasting my time talking to a woman has some issues in their background of silly mentality .
excuse me? ???and by the way I agreed with Ayyub (because he also said baggages of books) not Mazhar .
so now it is books again? are you sure you dont want to change that and say it could be baggages of anything else when its clear that Allah meant and said BOOKS? It was Mazhars question that you ignored about how you arrived at baggages.
for your last post, sorry to say that I will not share any answer again, I'll answer the OP but I'll not answer anyone of you if you quote or ask me about what I said .
is that because you are unable to make a polite and reasoned response based on Quran's real words or because you are in a spin and have no idea what you are talking about?
oops sorry that was a question ;D
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So you could not find an instance where some one had ever used and employed this root to convey the meanings of baggage, yet are shy to admit it. O kay thanks.
there is no shy and of course I don't need to show you that I'm right or wrong, you want to believe, it's ok, you don't want, it's ok too .
I use this word in sentences in arabic . example
" " which means " these are my baggages, so look after them from stealing"
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there is no shy and of course I don't need to show you that I'm right or wrong, you want to believe, it's ok, you don't want, it's ok too .
I use this word in sentences in arabic . example
" " which means " these are my baggages, so look after them from stealing"
Thanks you are yourself proving the point that you are the solitary Arab who thinks that this word is for "baggages". Pl try this sentence in practical life even with some non Arab conversant with spoken language, and see the response with smile on his face.
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Thanks you are yourself proving the point that you are the solitary Arab who thinks that this word is for "baggages". Pl try this sentence in practical life even with some non Arab conversant with spoken language, and see the response with smile on his face.
No, don't worry about smile on faces, I don't talk to anyone doesn't know what I will say or even has an Idea about what I'm saying . I speak with someone already has knoweldge to be equal not someone knows nothing and yet he disputes with eagerness.
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Peace
Who's not following the Quran?
Peace,
Respectfully.I have seen sunnis not following The Quran in favor of the other books.
6836 What is wrong with you, how do you judge?
6837 Or do you have a book which you study?
6838 In it, you can find what you wish?
6839 Or do you have an oath from Us, extending until the Day of Resurrection, that you can judge as you please?
6840 Ask them Who of them will make such a claim?
6841 Or do they have partners? Then let them bring their partners, if they are truthful. -
Peace,
Respectfully.I have seen sunnis not following The Quran in favor of the other books.
6836 What is wrong with you, how do you judge?
6837 Or do you have a book which you study?
6838 In it, you can find what you wish?
6839 Or do you have an oath from Us, extending until the Day of Resurrection, that you can judge as you please?
6840 Ask them Who of them will make such a claim?
6841 Or do they have partners? Then let them bring their partners, if they are truthful.Peace
I was referring to how RH said that WE don't follow the Quran.