The meaning of the word وَيُقيمونَ
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I'm not sure if this is relevant or not, but sometimes roots containing waw/alif/ya are classified differently depending on lexicographer, i.e. one might use a waw whilst another will use an alif etc especially if the alif/ya/waw is not at the start or end of the root, i.e. in the middle.
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I would be happy to discuss with you. But let us adopt a step by step approach.
Thanks Badar. I like that approach!
I have printed out and read the two pages as you asked. What is next?you want the meaning or you want the word in english ?
Actually, neither
I am looking for help so that I, myself, can examine the meaning. My post outlines the obstacles I am facing as I try to examine. Helping me to overcome the obstacles I cited and clarify what I found to be contradictions is the manner of help I am seeking.
I didn't understand what you want from these question and if you make them clear enough, I can answer you if God willing.
Thanks for your offer
Omar's Dictionary tells me the root is Q?ma
But then below this (p. 471), it saysI want to know the significance of the words Omar lists at the beginning (the header) of each dictionary entry. Lane chose as the root word.
Omar chose Q?ma as the correct root word, and even cites Lane as one of the authorities he cited for this specific root word (p. 474).The explanation that makes the most sense so far was offered by Wakas (Thanks Wakas)
...sometimes roots containing waw/alif/ya are classified differently depending on lexicographer...
Omar's Dictionary tells me the root is Q?ma
But then below this (p. 471), it saysI want to know the significance of the words that Omar lists in the heading of each root word. In this case, Q?ma
is in large bold font, so I assume this is what Omar refers to as a ?basic ?root word?? (p. 1-A).
And so what is the significance of the words listed BELOW this ?basic ?root word??, in a mucher smaller, non-bold font, in this case, ?
All three of these (roots?) are listed in the HEADING of the dictionary entry for this root word.Then at the top of column 2 on p. 471, it says
To maintain?I believe this is the relevant reference to the word I am examining. So Omar "classifies" (Per Wakas' post) under the ?basic ?root word?? Q?ma . I would like to know why that is. Since I believe Omar's work is contemporary, I want to know why he (and possibly others per Wakas) would classify differently.
2)... But I am confused Index 2 (p. 21-C) ... WHY Q?ma is listed near the end of the Q?f section I do not understand... why doesn't the alif in alphabetically put it at the top of the Q?f section?)
I am sure there is a simple explanation - anyone?
- (p. 1-A) ?The reader will find some root words with more than one form through the changes in vowel signs (Fatha, Kasrah or Dzammah) between the consonants as Badana and Baduna or Bad?a and Badawa
Omar explains why there may be more than one form of a root word by citing ?changes in vowel signs (Fatha, Kasrah or Dzammah) between the consonants?. Then he gives the example Bad?a vs. Badawa
I am confused because this example does not SEEM to me to match his explanation (i.e. I find these words to be different because of OTHER THAN ?changes in vowel signs (Fatha, Kasrah or Dzammah) between the consonants?. I am hoping someone can clear up my confusion on this.AND, in addition, I am further confused because I expected the different forms of a root to be listed within the SAME dictionary entry for the ?basic ?root word(s)??, as was done in Omar's first example (Badana and Baduna are BOTH listed in large bold font in the heading for that dictionary entry on p.45).
HOWEVER, Bad?a and Badawa have SEPARATE dictionary entries. I am confused because I understood Omar to be citing these two words as examples of ?The reader will find some root words with more than one form through the changes in vowel signs", yet to me, it does not appear that these words are an example of a single root word with different forms. Am I mistaken and if so, can anyone help to clarify?
- (p. 2-A) ?Some roots may have more than one form in perfect or imperfect e.g. Yaf?ilu and Yaf?ulu ?
Can someone help me to find Yaf?ilu and Yaf?ulu in Omar's dictionary? By seeing his example, this might help me better understand whether he puts these multiple forms in the header (i.e. maybe the "mucher smaller, non-bold font" that I referred to above).
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I like that approach!
I have printed out and read the two pages as you asked. What is next?Good, as I understood from your post you want to understand. Not, just have a cook book. I work on the same learning method. Hence, I would not give a cook book answer. Therefore, it will help us both. Next step is that I am going to break this word down into it's affixes and suffixes, as I understand it. Which are as follows.
Please try to look up from Lane as well Wright Grammar books. For affixes and suffixes use Wright; otherwise Lane. If you find trouble in finding, please let me know. Once you understand these, we can discuss the concepts conveyed by this word.
Peace,Badar
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As, I read through your post. Wanted to make few comment on root's content consonants. The weak letters are three. These are same as long vowels. Alif, Ya and Waw. These can be interchanged based upon more for convinence in utterances. The long vowel in root changes to confirm sound of previous short vowel sound. In this root when there is a fetha on Kaf before Waw, it becomes alif. .
Million dollor question which need to be answered. Is this change really suppose to bring changes in meanings/concepts of root as well? To best of my knowledge, no body explicitly claims so.
Lane, is based on oldest authentic Arabic Lexicons. Hence, confirms to what a root was originally. Wakas, is right newer dictionaries may use changed consonant as root. It do not think, this is a trivial isssue though; it seems to be leading to changes in understanding or misunderstanding of original concepts. That is, if these changes were only meant for easy of pronounciation. Then how come now these seem to be changing meaning of roots as well.
Badar
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Finally, to answer your questions about Omar's dictionary. It is for Quranic words only. The underlying assumption is that we know and understand all of Quran. I would be blunt here, despite that I would hurt lots of egos. This is a flat out wrong assertion. Hence, Omar can not be one's primary source for language.
Badar
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root when there is a fetha on Kaf before Waw, it becomes alif. .
That is NOT Root but is a word. Root means consonants in certain sequence, Root is
Words from this Root in the Grand Qur'aanTotal occurrences 660The basic perception infolded in the Root is of standing, straight position on feet as distinct from sitting, reclining or lying. In physical terms, it is the most stable, established, and mindful state of strength, alertness and equilibrium which other postures of sitting, reclining and lying flat lack. This state grants an ability to quickly react and respond to a sudden threat/attack.
Balance and equilibrium strengths a thing and grants it stability, prominence and durability. Balance and equilibrium also create a stationary state. This Root thus also conveys the meaning of staying somewhere. And the point of staying becomes a place of gathering.
Balance and equilibrium causes a state of peace and tranquility. In whatever shade the words derived from this Root are used the perception of balance and equilibrium, which is the primary condition of standing erect, shall remain predominant/prevail.You guide us on the Path that keeps leading safely and straight to the destination of peace and tranquility.
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That is NOT Root but is a word. Root means consonants in certain sequence, Root is
Words from this Root in the Grand Qur'aanTotal occurrences 660The basic perception infolded in the Root is of standing, straight position on feet as distinct from sitting, reclining or lying. In physical terms, it is the most stable, established, and mindful state of strength, alertness and equilibrium which other postures of sitting, reclining and lying flat lack. This state grants an ability to quickly react and respond to a sudden threat/attack.
Balance and equilibrium strengths a thing and grants it stability, prominence and durability. Balance and equilibrium also create a stationary state. This Root thus also conveys the meaning of staying somewhere. And the point of staying becomes a place of gathering.
Balance and equilibrium causes a state of peace and tranquility. In whatever shade the words derived from this Root are used the perception of balance and equilibrium, which is the primary condition of standing erect, shall remain predominant/prevail.You guide us on the Path that keeps leading safely and straight to the destination of peace and tranquility.
It seems like, Jibreal is still communicating with some one. Dear Mazhar, I would be nice, if you could please back up your claims with a referance. Whole Lane's Lexicon is available at ones disposal, on line.
Peace,
Badar
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That is NOT Root but is a word. Root means consonants in certain sequence, Root is
the root is >>>>>> and the source is
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the root is >>>>>> and the source is
Peace, please see below, the quote from above.
It seems like, Jibreal is still communicating with some one. Dear Mazhar, I would be nice, if you could please back up your claims with a referance. Whole Lane's Lexicon is available at ones disposal, on line.
Peace,
Badar
Badar
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Are you really an Arab from both parents?
hahahahah, well I've gave you some things that you have definitely not studied them in a good way, that's can be tough for you.
by the way my mom is Arab and my dad is Arab as well .
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It seems like, Jibreal is still communicating with some one. Dear Mazhar, I would be nice, if you could please back up your claims with a referance. Whole Lane's Lexicon is available at ones disposal, on line.
Peace,
Badar
Perhaps you have not noticed that Lane does not deal with Perception of Roots.
Qur'aan gives the physical position of different postures in these words and explains the meanings of the words by contrasts also
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Whenever there is light they walk therein, and when darkness falls upon them they stand still.
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The men of wisdom are those who remember Allah while standing and sitting and when they are lying/reclining on their sides and they objectively reflect/contemplate/deeply and honestly ponder about the creation of the Skies and the Earth. "Our Sustainer Lord, You have not created it purposelessly. Glory is for You alone; therefore give us salvation from the torment of Hell. -
hahahahah, well I've gave you some things that you have definitely not studied them in a good way, that's can be tough for you.
by the way my mom is Arab and my dad is Arab as well .
Then why have you put Aleph when you said "the root is " Aleph is nowhere the part of Root being a letter but not consonant, despite being Arab you are taking hamza and aleph as same like majority of us living in sub continent or Persia. You seem to have been persianized because of Bukhari and company. Excuse me.
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Then why have you put Aleph when you said "the root is " Aleph is nowhere the part of Root being a letter but not consonant, despite being Arab you are taking hamza and aleph as same like majority of us living in sub continent or Persia. You seem to have been persianized because of Bukhari and company. Excuse me.
hahahaha , nothing like that .
look you have to tell me what you're referring to by "root" ? it can take many meaning . if you did mean by the word"root" the source , it's fine but for one condition is to add "" in the end of the word, because the source typically always "" like that " " >>" " not " " .
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hahahaha , nothing like that .
look you have to tell me what you're referring to by "root" ? it can take many meaning . if you did mean by the word"root" the source , it's fine but for one condition is to add "" in the end of the word, because the source typically always "" like that " " >>" " not " " .
I meant nothing. Dear when you write like this "the root is " it means only one thing which you and me perceive identically. Placing of aleph at end for accusative case is different story.
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I meant nothing. Dear when you write like this "the root is " it means only one thing which you and me perceive identically. Placing of aleph at end for accusative case is different story.
" " is the root(origin) of the word " " .
" " is the source "" the origin of the derivations.
what you stated is wrong .
the end .
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From lack of follow up, shall I understand that you have understood the word construction or else you are still working on it?
My apologies... still struggling to understand!
- (p. 1-A) ?The reader will find some root words with more than one form through the changes in vowel signs (Fatha, Kasrah or Dzammah) between the consonants as Badana and Baduna or Bad?a and Badawa
I suspect there is a typo on p. 1-A I believe that Bada?a is incorrect and should be Bada?a . I believe that the correct sentence is
(p. 1-A corrected) ?The reader will find some root words with more than one form through the changes in vowel signs (Fatha, Kasrah or Dzammah) between the consonants as Badana and Baduna or Bada?a and Badawa ?.
I would appreciate any comments on this.
I still find Omar's explanation lacking when he says ?The reader will find some root words with more than one form through the changes in vowel signs (Fatha, Kasrah or Dzammah) between the consonants? since I do not believe that the difference between Bada?a and Badawa is a result of ?changes in vowel signs (Fatha, Kasrah or Dzammah) between the consonants?. I find the difference between and to be a change in one of the root letters ( vs. I understand that these are vowels, but I do not believe they are "vowel signs" and they are certainly not "Fatha, Kasrah or Dzammah".
And interestingly, this touches upon one of the themes within this thread
Here is a root that Omar has chosen to represent as TWO roots the heading for this "root" shows "Bada?a /Badawa " in BOLD on p. 45. As previously stated, I believe that Omar denotes the ?basic ?root word?? in large bold font in the heading of each root word.
So this appears to me to be an inconsistency
Omar "classifies" under the ?basic ?root word?? Q?ma .But then instead of selecting one form as he did with Q?ma , he selects BOTH FORMS Bada?a /Badawa as the ?basic ?root word??.
Can anyone that knows Arabic and Arabic grammar please comment on this do you find this to be inconsistent and if not, can you help me understand why this is not an example of Omar being inconsistent.
Peace
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Wanted to make few comment on root's content consonants. The weak letters are three. These are same as long vowels. Alif, Ya and Waw. These can be interchanged based upon more for convinence in utterances.
Badar - can you please clarify
Is this a general statement you are making (i.e. not specific to the roots I am examining in this thread)?Are you saying that of the 28 Arabic letters, there are 3 weak letters which are Alif, Ya and Waw. Are you saying that when these weak letters are used in a root word, that these letters can be swapped for one another when one writes the ROOT word?
