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The meaning of the word وَيُقيمونَ

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    bkanwar2
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    Finally, to answer your questions about Omar's dictionary. It is for Quranic words only. The underlying assumption is that we know and understand all of Quran. I would be blunt here, despite that I would hurt lots of egos. This is a flat out wrong assertion. Hence, Omar can not be one's primary source for language.

    Badar

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      From lack of follow up, shall I understand that you have understood the word construction or else you are still working on it?

      Peace,

      Badar

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        Mazhar
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        root when there is a fetha on Kaf before Waw, it becomes alif. .

        That is NOT Root but is a word. Root means consonants in certain sequence, Root is
        Words from this Root in the Grand Qur'aanTotal occurrences 660

        The basic perception infolded in the Root is of standing, straight position on feet as distinct from sitting, reclining or lying. In physical terms, it is the most stable, established, and mindful state of strength, alertness and equilibrium which other postures of sitting, reclining and lying flat lack. This state grants an ability to quickly react and respond to a sudden threat/attack.
        Balance and equilibrium strengths a thing and grants it stability, prominence and durability. Balance and equilibrium also create a stationary state. This Root thus also conveys the meaning of staying somewhere. And the point of staying becomes a place of gathering.
        Balance and equilibrium causes a state of peace and tranquility. In whatever shade the words derived from this Root are used the perception of balance and equilibrium, which is the primary condition of standing erect, shall remain predominant/prevail.

        You guide us on the Path that keeps leading safely and straight to the destination of peace and tranquility.

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          bkanwar2
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          That is NOT Root but is a word. Root means consonants in certain sequence, Root is
          Words from this Root in the Grand Qur'aanTotal occurrences 660

          The basic perception infolded in the Root is of standing, straight position on feet as distinct from sitting, reclining or lying. In physical terms, it is the most stable, established, and mindful state of strength, alertness and equilibrium which other postures of sitting, reclining and lying flat lack. This state grants an ability to quickly react and respond to a sudden threat/attack.
          Balance and equilibrium strengths a thing and grants it stability, prominence and durability. Balance and equilibrium also create a stationary state. This Root thus also conveys the meaning of staying somewhere. And the point of staying becomes a place of gathering.
          Balance and equilibrium causes a state of peace and tranquility. In whatever shade the words derived from this Root are used the perception of balance and equilibrium, which is the primary condition of standing erect, shall remain predominant/prevail.

          You guide us on the Path that keeps leading safely and straight to the destination of peace and tranquility.

          It seems like, Jibreal is still communicating with some one. Dear Mazhar, I would be nice, if you could please back up your claims with a referance. Whole Lane's Lexicon is available at ones disposal, on line.

          Peace,

          Badar

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            Thereformer1
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            That is NOT Root but is a word. Root means consonants in certain sequence, Root is

            the root is >>>>>> and the source is

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              bkanwar2
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              the root is >>>>>> and the source is

              Peace, please see below, the quote from above.

              It seems like, Jibreal is still communicating with some one. Dear Mazhar, I would be nice, if you could please back up your claims with a referance. Whole Lane's Lexicon is available at ones disposal, on line.

              Peace,

              Badar

              Badar

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                Mazhar
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                the root is >>>>>> and the source is

                Are you really an Arab from both parents?

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                  Are you really an Arab from both parents?

                  hahahahah, well I've gave you some things that you have definitely not studied them in a good way, that's can be tough for you.

                  by the way my mom is Arab and my dad is Arab as well .

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                    Mazhar
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                    It seems like, Jibreal is still communicating with some one. Dear Mazhar, I would be nice, if you could please back up your claims with a referance. Whole Lane's Lexicon is available at ones disposal, on line.

                    Peace,

                    Badar

                    Perhaps you have not noticed that Lane does not deal with Perception of Roots.
                    Qur'aan gives the physical position of different postures in these words and explains the meanings of the words by contrasts also
                    http//haqeeqat.org.pk/English%20Tafsir%20e%20Haqeeqat/00.Arabic%20Text/temp%2002%20%202.020.gif
                    Whenever there is light they walk therein, and when darkness falls upon them they stand still.
                    http//haqeeqat.org.pk/English%20Tafsir%20e%20Haqeeqat/00.Arabic%20Text/003.%20Aale%20Imran/03.92-128.gif
                    The men of wisdom are those who remember Allah while standing and sitting and when they are lying/reclining on their sides and they objectively reflect/contemplate/deeply and honestly ponder about the creation of the Skies and the Earth. "Our Sustainer Lord, You have not created it purposelessly. Glory is for You alone; therefore give us salvation from the torment of Hell.

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                      Mazhar
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                      hahahahah, well I've gave you some things that you have definitely not studied them in a good way, that's can be tough for you.

                      by the way my mom is Arab and my dad is Arab as well .

                      Then why have you put Aleph when you said "the root is " Aleph is nowhere the part of Root being a letter but not consonant, despite being Arab you are taking hamza and aleph as same like majority of us living in sub continent or Persia. You seem to have been persianized because of Bukhari and company. Excuse me.

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                        Then why have you put Aleph when you said "the root is " Aleph is nowhere the part of Root being a letter but not consonant, despite being Arab you are taking hamza and aleph as same like majority of us living in sub continent or Persia. You seem to have been persianized because of Bukhari and company. Excuse me.

                        hahahaha , nothing like that .

                        look you have to tell me what you're referring to by "root" ? it can take many meaning . if you did mean by the word"root" the source , it's fine but for one condition is to add "" in the end of the word, because the source typically always "" like that " " >>" " not " " .

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                          Mazhar
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                          hahahaha , nothing like that .

                          look you have to tell me what you're referring to by "root" ? it can take many meaning . if you did mean by the word"root" the source , it's fine but for one condition is to add "" in the end of the word, because the source typically always "" like that " " >>" " not " " .

                          I meant nothing. Dear when you write like this "the root is " it means only one thing which you and me perceive identically. Placing of aleph at end for accusative case is different story.

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                            Thereformer1
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                            I meant nothing. Dear when you write like this "the root is " it means only one thing which you and me perceive identically. Placing of aleph at end for accusative case is different story.

                            " " is the root(origin) of the word " " .

                            " " is the source "" the origin of the derivations.

                            what you stated is wrong .

                            the end .

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                              SAbboushi
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                              From lack of follow up, shall I understand that you have understood the word construction or else you are still working on it?

                              My apologies... still struggling to understand!

                              1. (p. 1-A) ?The reader will find some root words with more than one form through the changes in vowel signs (Fatha, Kasrah or Dzammah) between the consonants as Badana and Baduna or Bad?a and Badawa

                              I suspect there is a typo on p. 1-A I believe that Bada?a is incorrect and should be Bada?a . I believe that the correct sentence is

                              (p. 1-A corrected) ?The reader will find some root words with more than one form through the changes in vowel signs (Fatha, Kasrah or Dzammah) between the consonants as Badana and Baduna or Bada?a and Badawa ?.

                              I would appreciate any comments on this.

                              I still find Omar's explanation lacking when he says ?The reader will find some root words with more than one form through the changes in vowel signs (Fatha, Kasrah or Dzammah) between the consonants? since I do not believe that the difference between Bada?a and Badawa is a result of ?changes in vowel signs (Fatha, Kasrah or Dzammah) between the consonants?. I find the difference between and to be a change in one of the root letters ( vs. I understand that these are vowels, but I do not believe they are "vowel signs" and they are certainly not "Fatha, Kasrah or Dzammah".

                              And interestingly, this touches upon one of the themes within this thread

                              Here is a root that Omar has chosen to represent as TWO roots the heading for this "root" shows "Bada?a /Badawa " in BOLD on p. 45. As previously stated, I believe that Omar denotes the ?basic ?root word?? in large bold font in the heading of each root word.

                              So this appears to me to be an inconsistency
                              Omar "classifies" under the ?basic ?root word?? Q?ma .

                              But then instead of selecting one form as he did with Q?ma , he selects BOTH FORMS Bada?a /Badawa as the ?basic ?root word??.

                              Can anyone that knows Arabic and Arabic grammar please comment on this do you find this to be inconsistent and if not, can you help me understand why this is not an example of Omar being inconsistent.

                              Peace

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                                SAbboushi
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                                "" depends in the movement of the ""

                                Can you refer me to somewhere that I can understand what you mean? I don't know anything about ""

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                                  SAbboushi
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                                  Wanted to make few comment on root's content consonants. The weak letters are three. These are same as long vowels. Alif, Ya and Waw. These can be interchanged based upon more for convinence in utterances.

                                  Badar - can you please clarify
                                  Is this a general statement you are making (i.e. not specific to the roots I am examining in this thread)?

                                  Are you saying that of the 28 Arabic letters, there are 3 weak letters which are Alif, Ya and Waw. Are you saying that when these weak letters are used in a root word, that these letters can be swapped for one another when one writes the ROOT word?

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                                    SAbboushi
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                                    That is NOT Root but is a word. Root means consonants in certain sequence, Root is
                                    Words from this Root in the Grand Qur'aanTotal occurrences 660

                                    My database shows 659 occurences. Can you please cite your source. I would like to compare the Sura/Aya/Word#s to account for the difference.

                                    Interestingly, Omar states that "The root with its above forms has been used in the Holy Qur'an about 560 times" re Q?ma on p. 474

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                                      Mazhar
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                                      My database shows 659 occurences. Can you please cite your source. I would like to compare the Sura/Aya/Word#s to account for the difference.

                                      Interestingly, Omar states that "The root with its above forms has been used in the Holy Qur'an about 560 times" re Q?ma on p. 474

                                      Pl just paste your database in sequence, I will InshaAllah tell you the missing 660th one.

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                                        SAbboushi
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                                        the root is >>>>>> and the source is

                                        Omar's Dictionary tells me the root is Q?ma
                                        But then below this (p. 471), it says

                                        Can you please help me understand what your definition is of root vs. source? What you have identified as "source" ( &#1575 is one of the words(?)/roots(?) that Omar has listed (" &quot in the heading of the "root" I am examining. And I am trying to understand the significance of the words that Omar lists in the Headings of each root entry.

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                                          SAbboushi
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                                          Lane does not deal with Perception of Roots.

                                          Can you please clarify what you mean by this?

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