43:18 Women not able to give clear expression to an argument in disputation ?
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And whom the pronoun is referring to? is it also for "young girls or grown up women". Can you please translate the Arabic sentence for me, thanks.
the pronoun howa is referring to the girl , and you know why because of the first letters which they are "" it turned the whole sentence speaks in the singular term but the context is about the girl, this is called eloquent sentence. I think you can find like this thing in classic poems(Arabic ones).
P.S when I said the girl ( it means child girl, adult girl , woman too) . the whole stages in a woman's life.
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the pronoun howa is referring to the girl , and you know why because of the first letters which they are "" it turned the whole sentence speaks in the singular term but the context is about the girl, this is called eloquent sentence. I think you can find like this thing in classic poems(Arabic ones).
so not grown woman but babies/girl child, thanks
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the pronoun howa is referring to the girl , and you know why because of the first letters which they are "" it turned the whole sentence speaks in the singular term but the context is about the girl, this is called eloquent sentence. I think you can find like this thing in classic poems(Arabic ones).
P.S when I said the girl ( it means child girl, adult girl , woman too) . the whole stages in a woman's life.
I have not so far exchanged any joke in serious matters of the verses of Qur'aan. What type of eloquence is this to convert a masculine into a feminine? And consider a singular masculine personal pronoun as referring to a woman and call it eloquence?
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Can he, who was matter/dead-like non responsive to word and light, then/for reason We gave him life and appointed for him visible light with the help of which he freely moves within people,
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be exemplified like the one who is plunged in the layers of darkness from where he can never exit? -
I have not so far exchanged any joke in serious matters of the verses of Qur'aan. What type of eloquence is this to convert a masculine into a feminine? And consider a singular masculine personal pronoun as referring to a woman and call it eloquence?
"" is also here
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Can he, who was matter/dead-like non responsive to word and light, then/for reason We gave him life and appointed for him visible light with the help of which he freely moves within people,
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be exemplified like the one who is plunged in the layers of darkness from where he can never exit?I wasn't kidding, and about your next verse, it means both of gender male and female and God used just the singular pronoun of masculine referring to both of the gender whether it is a man or a woman .
for the first >> the verse is talking about girls, I didn't want to explain to you how and why because it takes time, I need to show a lot of things from grammar to the use of prounouns and here you need a lessons first, that's why I said that "" turned the sentence from masculine to feminine not as a joke, just to resume what I will get from my final lessons if I do want to give you but it will take time sorry.
P.S let me concentrate in the verse and I will see if I can explain to you the whole verse.
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I wasn't kidding, and about your next verse, it means both of gender male and female and God used just the singular pronoun of masculine referring to both of the gender whether it is a man or a woman .
for the first >> the verse is talking about girls, I didn't want to explain to you how and why because it takes time, I need to show a lot of things from grammar to the use of prounouns and here you need a lessons first, that's why I said that "" turned the sentence from masculine to feminine not as a joke, just to resume what I will get from my final lessons if I do want to give you but it will take time sorry.
P.S let me concentrate in the verse and I will see if I can explain to you the whole verse.
It is the basic that we begin with third person singular masculine. But it does not necessarily means that it includes or refers to a woman. At such places, with "Man" it is clarified whether be a man or be a woman. However waiting for your lessons.
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the pronoun howa is referring to the girl , and you know why because of the first letters which they are "" it turned the whole sentence speaks in the singular term but the context is about the girl, this is called eloquent sentence. I think you can find like this thing in classic poems(Arabic ones).
If so, please provide actual examples from Al Quran. Thanks.
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It is the basic that we begin with third person singular masculine. But it does not necessarily means that it includes or refers to a woman. At such places, with "Man" it is clarified whether be a man or be a woman. However waiting for your lessons.
ok, Al-Hamdo-Lilah, you will like my explanation forget what I said before and see this.
"" means in english the one who .
"" >> here God is still referring to the first peron mentioned "the one who" without specifying the Gender of this person . "" means in english raises in or for.
"" means In .
"" means the things of beauty which are for woman and girls like Gold and jewellery and Harir .
" " means And .
"" means him referring to the person who raises in . So God is still pointing out that he talkes about a gender of human . This gender is mentioned by the word "" which as I said things for beauty for woman . the act that raising in a place where things of beauty are for woman only . so now you are ok that the whole sentence is about a person, we have knew the gender of this person by the things he do or he will do such as things beauty which just for woman.
" " means in Disputing or in arguing or in talking with someone .
" " that he can't defend his situation by strong arguments because the community where he lives through history doesn't give the right to speak or to defend his issues.
so let's see how the sentence is going to be
That the one who raises in a place for doing things of beauty and wearing things of beauty for himself (woman)and that he can't defend his arguments in a disputing .
I hope you get what I mean .
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ok, Al-Hamdo-Lilah, you will like my explanation forget what I said before and see this.
"" means in english the one who .
"" >> here God is still referring to the first peron mentioned "the one who" without specifying the Gender of this person . "" means in english raises in or for.
"" means In .
"" means the things of beauty which are for woman and girls like Gold and jewellery and Harir .
" " means And .
"" means him referring to the person who raises in . So God is still pointing out that he talkes about a gender of human . This gender is mentioned by the word "" which as I said things for beauty for woman . the act that raising in a place where things of beauty are for woman only . so now you are ok that the whole sentence is about a person, we have knew the gender of this person by the things he do or he will do such as things beauty which just for woman.
" " means in Disputing or in arguing or in talking with someone.
" " that he can't defend his situation by strong arguments because the community where he lives through history doesn't give the right to speak or to defend his issues.
so let's see how the sentence is going to be
That the one who raises in a place for doing things of beauty and wearing things of beauty for himself (woman)and that he can't defend his arguments in a disputing .
I hope you get what I mean .
I had thought you will give me some lesson to make me understand the "elequence" theory of you, but here it is more confused than Jalalain and others who shomehow thought women are bestowed with inferior intellect. The above explanation almost makes mockery of the finest language of the world, which is Mubeen, that makes every bit of informartion crystal clear and isolated from one another, so that the reader gets unimbiguous perception of the stated thing.
"" >> here God is still referring to the first peron mentioned "the one who" without specifying the Gender of this person . "" means in english raises in or for.
In Arabic no noun and verb is without a gender. This is masculine passive, "the one male who is brought up".
This gender is mentioned by the word "" which as I said things for beauty for woman.
This is a pearl of wisdom new for me that "" mentions the gender of the person talked about. May Allah have mercy on Arabs.
" " means in Disputing or in arguing or in talking with someone.
It means you are taking it and rightly so as Masdar and not plural.
This gender is mentioned by the word "" which as I said things for beauty for woman
Who said this? Rich people do place chains and diamond rings and bracelets of gold as decorations to their sons. Before it is preposition which reflects the state in which he is brought up.
" " that he can't defend his situation by strong arguments because the community where he lives through history doesn't give the right to speak or to defend his issues.
English does not have that sort of eloquence to mean by "he" a woman. Here you seem to agree that in the verse not woman but the man is being referred.
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I had thought you will give me some lesson to make me understand the "elequence" theory of you, but here it is more confused than Jalalain and others who shomehow thought women are bestowed with inferior intellect. The above explanation almost makes mockery of the finest language of the world, which is Mubeen, that makes every bit of informartion crystal clear and isolated from one another, so that the reader gets unimbiguous perception of the stated thing.
No, I'll not give you any lesson, I'll make you reject everything you have ever read in Arabic, because as I see from this post and others of yours, your Arabic it totally a mess in a your backyard, and by the way the explanation was good and everyone where I live or in any place in the world, he will congatulate me for this wonderful explanation for one reason, I detailed the information from the verse without give my own interpretation which it will be that the verse talked about Girls or women who they grow up making and wearing stuff of beauty.
In Arabic no noun and verb is without a gender. This is masculine passive, "the one male who is brought up".
No, wrong , we can in Arabic talk in general without specify the gender "the one person who " and not "brought up" it's wrong, it's "grew up or raised in a place"
This is a pearl of wisdom new for me that "" mentions the gender of the person talked about. May Allah have mercy on Arabs.
there is no pearl of wisdom, I explained to you how the gender has been mentioned and I'm right, and I don't need you to say the opposite , take it or leave it.
It means you are taking it and rightly so as Masdar and not plural.
Yes, it's Masdar, it's not plural >>>> another Masdar is "".
Who said this? Rich people do place chains and diamond rings and bracelets of gold as decorations to their sons. Before it is preposition which reflects the state in which he is brought up.
oh my God, look we're talking about Arabs and their traditions at time where the boy must grow up between swords and horses and commerce, and where the girlmust grow up between Gold and Harir and stuff of beauty whether they are rich or not , this is their traditions .
about " " it doesn't mean the place itself , it means the situation of the place in which the person is grew up.English does not have that sort of eloquence to mean by "he" a woman. Here you seem to agree that in the verse not woman but the man is being referred.
No, the gender of the person has been mentioned in the place where he grew up and raised in it, so we did know that the gender of this person is a female person . so the verse talked about women .
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No, I'll not give you any lesson, I'll make you reject everything you have ever read in Arabic, because as I see from this post and others of yours, your Arabic it totally a mess in a your backyard, and by the way the explanation was good and everyone where I live or in any place in the world, he will congatulate me for this wonderful explanation for one reason, I detailed the information from the verse without give my own interpretation which it will be that the verse talked about Girls or women who they grow up making and wearing stuff of beauty.
No, wrong , we can in Arabic talk in general without specify the gender "the one person who " and not "brought up" it's wrong, it's "grew up or raised in a place"
Arabic has gender related to just about every word.
grew up or raised in a place IS THE SAME as brought up. I understand you can argue about the Arabic but please dont presume to know English -
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In Arabic no noun and verb is without a gender. This is masculine passive, "the one male who is brought up".Reformer No, wrong , we can in Arabic talk in general without specify the gender "the one person who " and not "brought up" it's wrong, it's "grew up or raised in a place"
After having read this I find solace for having earlier presumed and stated as being "persianised Arab".
In Arabic Particles including in isolation do not impart meanings; they become meaningful and shape the meanings only when they are used alongwith nouns and verbs in a sentence.
followed by a singular masculine passive imperfect verb indicates ONLY and ONLY a masculine; i.e. boy/son and it can never be presumed that it refers to general gender or to a feminine.In situations like this Allah's advice is this
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After having read this I find solace for having earlier presumed and stated as being "persianised Arab".
In Arabic Particles including in isolation do not impart meanings; they become meaningful and shape the meanings only when they are used alongwith nouns and verbs in a sentence.
followed by a singular masculine passive imperfect verb indicates ONLY and ONLY a masculine; i.e. boy/son and it can never be presumed that it refers to general gender or to a feminine.You better came to teach me Arabic, because I'm from India or pakistan or whatever .
look, do what you want, explain what you want but know that every word from you without knoweldge can be your VIP tickets to Hell. I've said hell because your own interpretation of Quran is really a mess, so good luck . ah one more thing Arabic is not limited by understanding the word, but it is limited in understanding the meaning of the word which is unfortunately for you can be anything >> so keep leading the memebers with you whith your non-Arabic lessons.
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For learning Arabic, video tapes of Madina University are available on line, I advise that one should spare some hours of one's life to listen them carefully, in proper sequence.
And I tell people that most of the grammer and parsing of the sentence can and should be learnt by carefully seeing the words of Qur'aan. Listening and carefully seeing the words will make understanding Qur'aan very easy. Allah says
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And they are those who when they are reminded with the Aa'ya'at of their Sustainer Lord
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they do not behave/fall on them in deafness and in blindnessAlFurqan
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And the sincere allegiants of Ar'Reh'maan are those who walk upon the Earth in a manner reflecting softness and humbleness.
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And when emotionalists/passionate/traditionalists/conjecture followers addressed them they said, "Be at peace". -
You better came to teach me Arabic, because I'm from India or pakistan or whatever .
look, do what you want, explain what you want but know that every word from you without knoweldge can be your VIP tickets to Hell. I've said hell because your own interpretation of Quran is really a mess, so good luck . ah one more thing Arabic is not limited by understanding the word, but it is limited in understanding the meaning of the word which is unfortunately for you can be anything >> so keep leading the memebers with you whith your non-Arabic lessons.
Wow Mazhar is lucky he got a VIP ticket laugh but sorry you ignore me '(
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Wow Mazhar is lucky he got a VIP ticket laugh but sorry you ignore me '(
well, I said VIP tickets to hell, he can give you one as a gift . !
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Don?t worry I already booked a ice-cream parlor and will serve you ice-cream made from flames eat
No, thanks
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well, I said VIP tickets to hell
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