Taking off the Hijab
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I swear that Girls who they wear Hijab in my country are away from harassement and people respect them, and no one can talks to them just an necessity and they help them, in the other hand the Gilrs who they wear Jeans and fashions clothes, they got their parts of harrassement.
Better don't swear on it. I have been harassed in Morocco, so have others -- wearing hijab.
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I am familiar with this ad, it's disgusting and insulting -- to both genders.
I agree. I'm a man and I'm not a fly.
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Better don't swear on it. I have been harassed in Morocco, so have others -- wearing hijab.
I'm living in Morocco, and I'm a guy, so stop trying to know everything>>> maybe you weren't wearing the real Hijab .
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Dear HNF
You have 2 seperate ayats from the Quran but you still want more. Once again, read, digest and understand 3359 and 2431. If you cannot read or understand Arabic, then I'm sure the translation in whatever native language you speak will suffice.
Do I have first hand experience of harassment? Of course I do.
Like I said before, harassment is not the exclusive right of women. And yes, observing 'hijab' does reduce sexual harassment compared to non observance. Women have always been judged on their sexuality and beauty, just like men have been judged on their masculinity. Harassment occurs in every country of the world regardless of religion, but to state that observing 'hijab' does not minimize potential sexual harassment therefore do not observe it is a pure fallacy.
Whether you observe 'hijab' or not is not my concern. Every female that observes 'hijab' in my family experiences less sexual harassment then if they were to go out without as in line with the Quranic ayats. And this has been proven time and time again. The 'hijab' for them is part of their identity and way of life. They are recognized as Muslims from afar. They are lawyers, doctors and CEO's in their respective rights and feel comfortable, happy and choose to observe 'hijab'. Not some oppressed illiterate downtrodden females forced to cover up by family or peers as you may wish to think.
They command respect because of their intellect and not because of their sexuality!
Not only are we born, educated and raised in the West, we have traveled and lived to more countries right across the board than your average person and we don't feel ashamed of who we are!
Peace
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Dear HNF
You have 2 seperate ayats from the Quran but you still want more. Once again, read, digest and understand 3359 and 2431. If you cannot read or understand Arabic, then I'm sure the translation in whatever native language you speak will suffice.
Do I have first hand experience of harassment? Of course I do.
Like I said before, harassment is not the exclusive right of women. And yes, observing 'hijab' does reduce sexual harassment compared to non observance. Women have always been judged on their sexuality and beauty, just like men have been judged on their masculinity. Harassment occurs in every country of the world regardless of religion, but to state that observing 'hijab' does not minimize potential sexual harassment therefore do not observe it is a pure fallacy.
Whether you observe 'hijab' or not is not my concern. Every female that observes 'hijab' in my family experiences less sexual harassment then if they were to go out without. And this has been proven time and time again with. The 'hijab' for them is part of their identity and way of life. They are recognized as Muslims from afar. They are lawyers, doctors and CEO's in their respective rights and feel comfortable, happy and choose to observe 'hijab'. Not some oppressed illiterate downtrodden females forced to cover up by family or peers as you may wish to think.
They command respect because of their intellect and not because of their sexuality!
Not only are we born, educated and raised in the West, we have traveled and lived to more countries right across the board than your average person and we don't feel ashamed of who we are!
Peace
Firstly, please don't tell me what I think or insinuate without any evidence.
Secondly, I did not mean did you have experience with harassment. I mean do you have experience with harassment related to the female headscarf.
Thirdly, please read my last reply again. I refuse to continue arguing this point from now. Clearly you have your perspective and I have my first hand experience. Now let's quit going around in circles. Pointless.
Lastly, those two Ayaat do not tell me to cover my hair. Try again. In fact, I am not even looking for Ayaat, I am just looking for a simple word, hair.
I am not ashamed of who I am. I am not a scarf on my head. I won't allow my person to be reduced to that.
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You know, I love how this guy does all the work for us. Argue enough and he's sure to expose his insolence.
Yup. And he perfectly illustrates the particular mindset that was mentioned before and in the articles. http//www.cheesebuerger.de/images/smilie/froehlich/d030.gif
Do I have first hand experience of harassment? Of course I do.
Then please share your experiences.
Do you know what it feels like to be leered at and talked to every time you leave your house?
Do you know what it feels like to never be able to walk in a relaxed manner and let your thoughts wander, because you constantly have to be aware of the men around you, because they will throw obscenitites at you, follow you around, or grope you.
Do you know what it feels like to be completely exhausted at the end of the day, not feeling able to just go to the store around the corner because you can't take any more remarks / stares / other forms of harassment?
Harassment occurs in every country of the world regardless of religion,
But to extremely varying degrees. And that was the point.
In my European country of origin I can go out on the street in whatever attire I wish, and, yes, I do wear tank tops and shortish skirts in summer. Yet I have never, ever experienced the kind of obtrusive and ubiquitous harassment that is an everyday occurance in Egypt.
Every female that observes 'hijab' in my family experiences less sexual harassment then if they were to go out without. And this has been proven time and time again. The 'hijab' for them is part of their identity and way of life. They are recognized as Muslims from afar. They are lawyers, doctors and CEO's in their respective rights and feel comfortable, happy and choose to observe 'hijab'. Not some oppressed illiterate downtrodden females forced to cover up by family or peers as you may wish to think.
Well, good for them. However, I don't really see what this has to do with the subject.
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You know, I love how this guy does all the work for us. Argue enough and he's sure to expose his insolence. Thank you, yet again you have proved me right
whatever . you don't want hijab, fine take it off >> why do you ask people ? I think if you don't believe in it, don't do it, is that too hard for you because verses are clear , take it or leave it .
one more thing I don't care of any opinion or description that might any person here attributes it to me.
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whatever . you don't want hijab, fine take it off >> why do you ask people ?
Because this is not an easy matter for some women. As you would know if you had read and understood the first pages of this thread.
If you don't have anything constructive or a beneficial experience to add to an issue that obviously is none of your concern or business anyway, why don't you just stay out of the discussion? Really ... silly remarks like "well, fine, take it off, why do you ask" are of no use.
nope
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whatever . you don't want hijab, fine take it off >> why do you ask people ? I think if you don't believe in it, don't do it, is that too hard for you because verses are clear , take it or leave it .
What are you even on about? Please read the Original Post. I have every right to ask people to share their experiences on a PUBLIC FORUM. If you don't like it, you can go somewhere else. I can ask whatever I want within the rules of the forum and according to the Mods, this is a perfectly valid thread. I don't need you or anyone else for that matter telling me what I should and should not post. I can ask people for their experiences, it isn't a crime. Again, read the original post.
Oh and to your verses are clear part? Really? Why in 300+ posts have we still not found the verse in question? Perhaps because it does not exist )
Please just admit, no verse in the Quran instructs the woman to cover the hair on the head directly. Either you admit or you don't but it won't change the content of the book of Allah (swt) )
Because this is not an easy matter for some women. As you would know if you had read and understood the first pages of this thread.
Quite.
one more thing I don't care of any opinion or description that might any person here attributes it to me.
You said it yourself and your statement spoke for itself. I just chose to point it out for those who might have missed it. You gave a perfect example of the mentality we have been discussing so thanks )
Peace
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Because this is not an easy matter for some women. As you would know if you had read and understood the first pages of this thread.
If you don't have anything constructive or a beneficial experience to add to an issue that obviously is none of your concern or business anyway, why don't you just stay out of the discussion? Really ... silly remarks like "well, fine, take it off, why do you ask" are of no use.
nopeaha I stay out of the discussion, why do you defend a member when I saidd to him stay out of discussion ? it is valid for you and not for me, well I'll not stay out . this is called hypocrite.
and for the thread >>>>the verses of wearing Hijab is clear and understood very well, but I think you want something that goes with your desires .
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and for the thread >>>>the verses of wearing Hijab is clear and understood very well, but I think you want something that goes with your desires .
Isn't it ironic how we're said to be following our own desires when you cannot bring the verse, you can only bring an 'understanding'. Is it us going with our desires or is it people pretending?
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Dear Leyna
The majority of men are thinking about groping or following you around whenever or wherever you go out. This is the reality. Accept it. Whether it's Egypt or Europe is besides the point. What I'm showing you is that comparing everything to Egypt and blaming the 'Hijab' and kissing Europe's ass is b@@@@@@t.
Women in my circles observe 'hijab' utilsing the Quran, just like you and your circle do not observe 'hijab' utilising the Quran in your defense.
And as far as your last comment is concerned (Well, good for them. However, I don't really see what this has to do with the subject.) , once again I am showing you that they choose not to take off the 'hijab' and observe it, but are in much more powerful positions than most of you here and has everything to do with the subject at hand.
The subject that you should be questioning and it's relevance is Egypt.
Peace
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Oh and to your verses are clear part? Really? Why in 300+ posts have we still not found the verse in question? Perhaps because it does not exist )
why? its' because of you , you don't want to understand neither in your hand to understand .
Please just admit, no verse in the Quran instructs the woman to cover the hair on the head directly. Either you admit or you don't but it won't change the content of the book of Allah (swt) )
Hahahaha, this wasn't a surprise for me, I know you want things go with what you want and what your desires want.
the verses are talking about Hijab, deal with it as soon as possible or you'll die choking yourself by it.
You said it yourself and your statement spoke for itself. I just chose to point it out for those who might have missed it. You gave a perfect example of the mentality we have been discussing so thanks )
Peaceoh, yeah right >>> what about your mentality ? praying without hijab, going oustide without hijab, a free christian woman, this is your mentality , it is not Islam.
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aha I stay out of the discussion, why do you defend a member when I saidd to him stay out of discussion ? it is valid for you and not for me, well I'll not stay out . this is called hypocrite.
Stop being childish and pretending you don't understand.
Even in case you did not realize what this thread is about, it has been pointed out to you. The sister was asking for input, experiences, advice about taking off hijab.
She was NOT asking whether it was an obligation or not, and she didn't ask to have advice that covering is an obligation having shoved down her throat.
Jeeez ... the net is full of discussion forums, pamphlets, propaganda texts praising the hijab and trying to convince us that we have to wear it or we'll end up in hellfire. Believe me, there isn't a single argument you can bring that most of us haven't heard and debated dozens of times.
So why do some guys feel the need they have to distract from the discussion and insist on proving that a headscarf is an obligation? Even when it has been repeatedly pointed out to them that this is not what this thread is about.
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why? its' because of you , you don't want to understand neither in your hand to understand .
Hahahaha, this wasn't a surprise for me, I know you want things go with what you want and what your desires want.
With proof and rational evidences, I understand perfectly. Until you provide this I will never compute. My mind does not work on what you tell me is true if there is no evidence as back-up. Bring me evidence and I will agree, talk hot air and I will never agree.
Hahahaha, this wasn't a surprise for me, I know you want things go with what you want and what your desires want.
So bring the proof I am asking for then. I see it's only funny because you can't answer a simple simple question. http//www.nizkor.org/features/fallacies/appeal-to-ridicule.html
the verses are talking about Hijab, deal with it as soon as possible or you'll die choking yourself by it.
oh, yeah right >>> what about your mentality ? praying without hijab, going oustide without hijab, a free christian woman, this is your mentality , it is not Islam.
Yes the verses are talking about covering, this is true. Covering the bosoms, but bosom is not equal to hair, I'm sure you'll agree with me.
For the record, I do wear a headscarf, I do pray with a head-scarf, not that I really care what your personal Islam is or your approval. My opinion however is that, it is NOT obligatory as you are claiming and it is NOT in the Quran as you are claiming.
What Christian women have got to do with this discussion I do not know.
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Isn't it ironic how we're said to be following our own desires when you cannot bring the verse, you can only bring an 'understanding'. Is it us going with our desires or is it people pretending?
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