Taking off the Hijab
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I can fully relate to that, having experienced similar things.
About 90% of the women in Egypt cover their head or more, yet sexual harassment is a daily occurence for almost every female there. So the argument that hijab prevents harassment in any way is ridiculous. In fact, it increases it because women are being made responsible and men are being told that it is normal to leer at and harass women. They are given a free pass, so to speak.
nopeIn regards to the original subject ... I never understood why hijab has to be an all-or-nothing issue. Once you decide to wear it, you can not take it off and vice versa. Why?
Obviously everyone's understanding of it varies, depending on how we interpret the verses in question, where we live etc. So why not experiment with different ways of covering until you find what suits you best?
peace
Hijab is the SECOND THING, the first thing is to TELL THE BELIEVERS (MASCULINE) TO LOWER THEIR GAZE AND ETC ETC.
Why don't you get that unless muslimahs open their mouths and give men the quran, as a good friend would, that they'd do as the porn channels would have them after they watched them. I'm glad I've been around good muslimahs who've told me to lower my gaze if they found me obviously glaring at women or themselves. Alhamdulillah!
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Being in a "muslim" country... may not make the people muslims.
As for muslim countries, please refer to the following on how such men are likely to rape their own daughters, and then kill them in the name of honor killing.
http//monitor.newsvine.com/_news/2006/11/28/460788-turkeys-kurds-satellite-tv-and-incest
Yes I know first hand of the hypocrisy in muslim countries.And what so called muslim country is this?
This so called muslim country is Egypt
And why haven't you learned any self defence or know of beating up such people?
I was hijabi, not ninja. Now I carry a knife.
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Hijab is the SECOND THING, the first thing is to TELL THE BELIEVERS (MASCULINE) TO LOWER THEIR GAZE AND ETC ETC.
Why don't you get that unless muslimahs open their mouths and give men the quran, as a good friend would, that they'd do as the porn channels would have them after they watched them. I'm glad I've been around good muslimahs who've told me to lower my gaze if they found me obviously glaring at women or themselves. Alhamdulillah!
So again you think its down to the woman to remind you? I thought it was supposed to be women that needed reminding of things.
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You make ludicrous allegations in your tirade using the words Emotional, Defensive, Aggressive, Intimidation and Mocking, once again working on assumptions.
I am not "working on assumptions" but my replies were based on your posts, which are there in black and white for everyone to see.
Ad-hominem attacks, insults etc. are a clear sign of being over-emotional and not able to hold a discussion in an appropriate manner. Quod erat demonstrandum.
Damn, if everything can evolve around Egypt and 'only women experience harassment' in your eyes, what the hell was I expecting from you? A new definition and way of solving the negative exponent on the bottom of a fraction?
I explained to you why I gave the example of harassment in Egypt. If you still conclude from that that "everything revolves around Egypt", I can't help it. Believe what you want to believe.
What you must try to understand because I know it can be difficult once you are in the 'stereotyping' mode, is that I am a man speaking direct to the point. Not one of your female friends, saying one thing but meaning another. There is no secret code here. Trust me.
Who is using stereotypes now? What in the world makes you believe I have female friends who "tell me one thing and mean another"? Where does that come from?
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FYI ... I have female and male friends who tell me their opinion straight in the face.Just in case you didn't get it last time, I will repeat again, I couldn't give a flying f@@@ about what women wear or what they don't want to wear.
Oh really? Then what are you doing in this thread, and why do you keep telling us we should wear hijab, and repeatedly giving the example that your female relatives do so with pride?
hmmYou seem to have a problem with anyone who condones the 'hijab' but are all for anyone who condemns the 'hijab', because this is the NEW way of thinking and interpreting in your eyes. As though the last 1400 years or so has kept women in the dark ages and now you are a bastion of light and freedom for all Muslim women who want to make a change and take a stance.
Unfortunately, your totally off cue assumption or shall I say lack of understanding of my posts, once again confirm to me that you believe that 'hijab' is oppression
Those are your assumptions. I made it perfectly clear that I don't see anyone who wears hijab as oppressed or backwards. If you want to believe otherwise, be my guest.
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Our friend clearly does not know what prostitution is.
you want just to give it a meaning >>> a prostitute who has slept with men without marriage, without legal contract between her and him .
I think all Europe Girls and usa Girls have had slept in high school with many guys, but they married another guys . and I've read a statistics that none of the girls in usa are vergin let alone girls in Europe, so I called them prostitutes.
because the term is valid for every woman had slept with man without marriage .
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you want just to give it a meaning >>> a prostitute who has slept with men without marriage, without legal contract between her and him .
I think all Europe Girls and usa Girls have had slept in high school with many guys, but they married another guys . and I've read a statistics that none of the girls in usa are vergin let alone girls in Europe, so I called them prostitutes.
because the term is valid for every woman had slept with man without marriage .
Wrong. prostitution has nothing to do with sleeping with someone without marriage or we could say there are thousands of Muslim men and women who are prostitutes by that logic and wrong definition.
Prostitution is the giving of sexual favours for financial reward..................hhmm ok I will change what I said because in the majority of muslim countries women are bought for marriage, financial reward is given and the sexual favour granted! Now I understand why you think prostitution is to do with marriage! ;D
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Dear Leyna
Ah yes, now you've become a diagnostic symptom specialist determining the state of ones mind when they are responding on a Forum.
The notion of diversion is a tactic usually employed when one has been exposed with unjustified claims and erroneous logic, so it is easier to change direction rather than deal with the issue at hand.
Anyway, I really cannot be toing and froing with you anymore on this topic. Not when you're prone to outburts.
I leave you with a parting gift
3335 Lo! men who surrender unto Allah, and women who surrender, and men who believe and women who believe, and men who obey and women who obey, and men who speak the truth and women who speak the truth, and men who persevere (in righteousness) and women who persevere, and men who are humble and women who are humble, and men who give alms and women who give alms, and men who fast and women who fast, and men who guard their modesty and women who guard (their modesty), and men who remember Allah much and women who remember--Allah hath prepared for them forgiveness and a vast reward
Peace
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I think all Europe Girls and usa Girls have had slept in high school with many guys, but they married another guys . and I've read a statistics that none of the girls in usa are vergin let alone girls in Europe, so I called them prostitutes.
because the term is valid for every woman had slept with man without marriage .
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since when did 42% equal the 'majority'??
hahah, Yes because some didn't want to say the truth, if they made them under a lie detectors, they will admit that they have slept before marriage and after marriage as well with their friends of their husbands. get real .
Since when did sleeping with more than one man make one a prostitute? a prostitute sleeps with men, ANY man and MANY men, for MONEY.
since Islam has been announced, since 1400 years/ the term prostitute has changed. a woman sleeps with a man(men) without legal contract between both of them(marriage) make a woman a prostitute.
UK's girls sleep with men for pleasure, it's worse rotfl
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Prostitution is the giving of sexual favours for financial reward..................hhmm ok I will change what I said because in the majority of muslim countries women are bought for marriage, financial reward is given and the sexual favour granted! Now I understand why you think prostitution is to do with marriage! ;D
In fact, the way many traditional scholars describe marriage, it reminds indeed of prostitution. Sex and service for the man, money and a dignified position for the woman -- that's the deal. Some even say that if the woman refuses to have sex with the husband, he is entitled to stop providing for her.
If that's not prostitution, I don't know what it is. nope
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I think all Europe Girls and usa Girls have had slept in high school with many guys, but they married another guys . and I've read a statistics that none of the girls in usa are vergin let alone girls in Europe, so I called them prostitutes.
because the term is valid for every woman had slept with man without marriage .024.004 And those who launch a charge against chaste women, and produce not four witnesses (to support their allegations),- flog them with eighty stripes; and reject their evidence ever after for such men are wicked transgressors;-
024.023 Those who slander chaste women, indiscreet but believing, are cursed in this life and in the Hereafter for them is a grievous Penalty,-
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since Islam has been announced, since 1400 years/ the term prostitute has changed. a woman sleeps with a man(men) without legal contract between both of them(marriage) make a woman a prostitute.
Nonsense. The term prostitute has not changed. Check a dictionary.
UK's girls sleep with men for pleasure, it's worse rotfl
A woman sleeping with a man for pleasure is worse than a woman sleeping with a man for money? confused What about men who sleep with women for pleasure?
Are you one of those people who presume that only the man should get pleasure from sex? Oh yeah, right ... what else should we expect from someone who claims there is a "necessity" to circumcise girls ...
yuck
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Wrong. prostitution has nothing to do with sleeping with someone without marriage or we could say there are
No, right >>> prostitutes are sleeping with more than a man in the same time for money, for pleasure, for hobbies. Yakh disgusting
thousands of Muslim men and women who are prostitutes by that logic and wrong definition.
hahaha, bla bla bla , do you have any statistics about what you said ? I'm wondering why do you defending them? and why do you want to make it for Muslims as well? are you Muslim ? or you want to defend because you have ......?
your eagerness in defending them, makes questions about you ??????
Prostitution is the giving of sexual favours for financial reward..................hhmm ok I will change what I said because in the majority of muslim countries women are bought for marriage, financial reward is given and the sexual favour granted! Now I understand why you think prostitution is to do with marriage! ;D
in Muslims country, the prostitutes can't married and no man will accept them, look at your dark side . they are the favour ones .
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hahah, Yes because some didn't want to say the truth, if they made them under a lie detectors, they will admit that they have slept before marriage and after marriage as well with their friends of their husbands. get real .
Its time you got real. You made a claim that 'the majority' blah blah then come up with 42% which is NOT the majority, its not even half, and now you make a claim that YOU KNOW they were not telling the truth? you are insane.since Islam has been announced, since 1400 years/ the term prostitute has changed. a woman sleeps with a man(men) without legal contract between both of them(marriage) make a woman a prostitute.
No the definition of a prostitute has not changed, not on this planet anyway, only in your sick mind maybe as everything else has a different meaning in your insane world.UK's girls sleep with men for pleasure, it's worse rotfl
OMG, women taking pleasure from sex??? o How dare they even think about pleasure in sex! Chop their bits off then there will be NO pleasure in sex for women. Then she wont have a clue how inadequate YOU are.
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024.004 And those who launch a charge against chaste women, and produce not four witnesses (to support their allegations),- flog them with eighty stripes; and reject their evidence ever after for such men are wicked transgressors;-
024.023 Those who slander chaste women, indiscreet but believing, are cursed in this life and in the Hereafter for them is a grievous Penalty,-these verses are for Muslims, not christians or infidels . ok I know why you're defending them, that's make sense.
by the way I have statistics, so they witnessed theirselves . look at what you said "thousands of Muslims" do you have any proof ? the verses is now for you. rotfl
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No, right >>> prostitutes are sleeping with more than a man in the same time for money, for pleasure, for hobbies. Yakh disgusting
men sleep with women for pleasure and money too, certainly here men sleep with men for money too then go home to their wives and put food on the table for the family with the money they made.
hahaha, bla bla bla , do you have any statistics about what you said ?
why bother with statistics, you wont believe them anyway as you claim 42% is the majority because many lied ???I'm wondering why do you defending them?
I wasnt aware I was defending anyone, I was correcting your misinformed definition of a prostitute
and why do you want to make it for Muslims as well?
because there are muslim prostitutes, male and female
are you Muslim ?
yes, are you?or you want to defend because you have ......?
your eagerness in defending them, makes questions about you ??????
I question you have a brain at all or that you know anything of Quran.024.004
And those who launch a charge against chaste women, and produce not four witnesses (to support their allegations),- flog them with eighty stripes; and reject their evidence ever after for such men are wicked transgressors;-in Muslims country, the prostitutes can't married and no man will accept them, look at your dark side . they are the favour ones .
In muslim countries many of the men are prostitutes as well as the women.
No idea what you mean by dark side, the only dark I see here is your mind.
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Nonsense. The term prostitute has not changed. Check a dictionary.
Are you Muslim? if Yes , so you better go and look and figure out . sleeping with a woman without legal law, you deserve a punishment "Jald". so it's the same punishment will take a prostitute.
A woman sleeping with a man for pleasure is worse than a woman sleeping with a man for money? confused What about men who sleep with women for pleasure?
she is "" and he is "" >>>>>>>>>> hundred lashes .
Are you one of those people who presume that only the man should get pleasure from sex? Oh yeah, right ... what else should we expect from someone who claims there is a "necessity" to circumcise girls ...
No, anyone got sex without legal law (marriage) must be a prostitute and he or she must be lashed.
and about circumicise , I did say that they said that it is for reason (their in Egypt), so don't claim that it was my idea, that's what I heard and what I read. -
No, right >>> prostitutes are sleeping with more than a man in the same time for money, for pleasure, for hobbies. Yakh disgusting
The bold is correct, the rest is nonsense. A prostitute, as has been repeatedly explained to you, sleeps with men for money. Not for pleasure or as a hobby.
It is not your right, or mine, to judge them. Do you know that millions of women in this world have no choice in this matter, they are being forced into prostitution by others, or by circumstances because they and their children would otherwise starve?
Who are you to judge anyone without knowing them and their motives? Your holier than though attitude and your utter ignorance about just anything outside your own small scope of experience are incredible.
And you are a hypocrite too. There are many Muslim men in this world who marry a second, third, or fourth wife for sex only, for pleasure, as a hobby, because they like more variety in bed, because they are too weak to stay faithful to their wifes and so on. I bet you are not judging them by the same standards as you are judging women. Shame on you!