What is الفاحشة "Fahisha" ?
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According to Dr. Shahroor
The definitions of sins <fahisha> can be found in the following verses
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?Do not marry the women who were previously married to your fathers-existing marriages are exempted, for it is a gross offense <fahisha>, and an abominable act.? (4/22), Also 4/23 contains the Lower limits.
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?Lot said to his people, ?You commit such an abomination <fahisha>; no one in the world has done it before!? (7/80)
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?You shall not commit adultery; it is a gross sin <fahisha>, and an evil behavior.? (17/32)
So, the ?obvious? sins are 1) Adultery, 2) Homosexuality, 3) Incest.
As for ?hidden? sins, this is found in 4/128 where a man attempts to have intercourse with his wife from other than what GOD has allowed
- ?If a woman fears desertion or abstainment from her husband, the couple shall try to reconcile their differences, for conciliation is best for them. Selfishness is a human trait, and if you do good and lead a righteous life, GOD is fully Cognizant of everything you do.? (4/12
Shahroor explains that the reason a man may abstain or not have sex with his wife is if she refuses to have sex with him beyond what GOD has allowed, thus it is upto them to reconcile.
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fahisha is an indecent act, that be could be many things..
indecent act? you mean any act not conforming with generally accepted standards of behavior? or indecent act as per quran?
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indecent act? you mean any act not conforming with generally accepted standards of behavior? or indecent act as per quran?
I'd say "as per Qur'an". Standards of behavior change, the Qur'anic text does not.
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Dear friends,
May I suggest the most up to date meaning of "Fahash", according to the research of Dr. Qamar Zaman of "www.aastana.com". That is
"THE PURSUIT OF ONE'S OWN PERSONAL DESIRES AS AGAINST THE DIVINE DISCIPLINE."
Hence "Fahash" becomes equal to "SHIRK", making it one of the most serious offenses.I do think the interpretation is compatible/applicable at all places where the word is mentioned.
The word "ZINA" which relates closely with the word "Fahash" has also been investigated into, in the quest to explore and discover the genuine interpretations of Quranic terminology. And Lo, the meaning is
"TO DISTORT THE IDEOLOGY". Al-Zani is the one who "distorts, changes, twists, alters shape, bends, forces a change into" the divine ideology. Al-Zania can be a female, or a group, community, gang (Jama'at), as any Jama'at in Arabic is a "feminine" and has a 't' of 'tanees' in the end.
I would very much like to read friends' opinions.
God bless you.
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May I suggest the most up to date meaning of "Fahash", according to the research of Dr. Qamar Zaman of "www.aastana.com". That is
"THE PURSUIT OF ONE'S OWN PERSONAL DESIRES AS AGAINST THE DIVINE DISCIPLINE."
Hence "Fahash" becomes equal to "SHIRK", making it one of the most serious offenses.Where is it. Plese give its link, since it does not seem to be there.
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Brothers Afridi, Mazhar,
Please follow this link - You will find it in 12th reply, 2nd paragraph, by Dr. Qamar Zaman
http//www.aastana.com/blog/aastanablog.asp?MID=4&SID=21&QID=65
God bless you.
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The word "ZINA" which relates closely with the word "Fahash" has also been investigated into, in the quest to explore and discover the genuine interpretations of Quranic terminology. And Lo, the meaning is
"TO DISTORT THE IDEOLOGY". Al-Zani is the one who "distorts, changes, twists, alters shape, bends, forces a change into" the divine ideology. Al-Zania can be a female, or a group, community, gang (Jama'at), as any Jama'at in Arabic is a "feminine" and has a 't' of 'tanees' in the end.
Dr. seems to have been researching words in a semi intoxicated state of mind since he thinks there is no prohibition on whisky. I know about sittings for "scholarly and spirtual" discourses eplaining Qur'aan while enjoying sips of whisky also.
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And they are those who never call along with Allah any other as iela'aha;
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and nor they murder any person whom Allah has prohibited/sanctified to be murdered except on charge/conviction of rightful allegation .
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And they do not indulge in consented illicit sexual intercourse,ChapterAlFurqan
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And they do not indulge in consented illicit sexual intercourse,What is the basis of "adding" the word "consented illicit" herein, may I ask?
I do think this is what is called "Tahreef" in Quran.
And I do think Quranic students have to be research minded not "label pasters". It is better than to pull a sorry face later on.Why can't it be "And they do not "distort the Quranic ideology"? Arabic lexicons support this meaning.
God bless you.
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And they do not indulge in consented illicit sexual intercourse,What is the basis of "adding" the word "consented illicit" herein, may I ask?
I do think this is what is called "Tahreef" in Quran.
And I do think Quranic students have to be research minded not "label pasters". It is better than to pull a sorry face later on.Why can't it be "And they do not "distort the Quranic ideology"? Arabic lexicons support this meaning.
God bless you.
The issue was that Dr. sahib said Fahashi is Shirk. The verse quoted unimbiguously shows that his assertion is mere conjecture and scum. It is strange that such an assertion is taken as "scholarly" and "consented illicit" is being declared as "Tahreef" in Qur'aan.
Can a man and women indulge in sexual intercourse to be considered as Zina without there being desire and consent? Qur'aan says "do not go near Zina". What does "near" mean? The nearness is only the result of desire and consent.
If somebody takes an oath from a lady that she will not commit Zina what does that imply? Only that she will not do it by desire and consent otherwise a women can be abused for intercourse by force and coercion.
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Quote from Mazhar
"The issue was that Dr. sahib said Fahashi is Shirk."Brother, where has Dr. Sahib said that Fahashi is Shirk? He only said that Fahashi is ?the pursuit of one?s own lust/desires, as opposed to the divine ideology?. Utmost care is required while God?s words are discussed since it is a matter of universal guidance. Misquotes always mislead.
?The verse quoted unimbiguously shows that his assertion is mere conjecture and scum.?
It would be only reasonable if you try to ?show? and prove that ?his assertion is mere conjecture and scum?. To use such words without bearing the burden of proof, is felony of the worst kind dear brother. Not appropriate for a Quranic sudent.
"consented illicit". Is a blatant violation of God?s words, WHO only said ZINA and no suggestion or implication is there for ?consented illicit Zina?. You have no right to adulterate Quranic text with your wishful thinking, be it to justify a fabricated meaning.
Had the meaning of ZINA been sexual intercourse, Quran must have differentiated between Zina Bil Jabr and Zina bil Raza. Both kinds of acts of Zina are being committed in our daily lives. There should also have been two different punishments for them respectively. There are none.
Moreover, Zina and Shirk have been declared equivalents. Read carefully the Ayat 24/3
The traditional Jewish translation
?The Zani does not marry except with Zania or Mushrikah, and the Zaniah, no one marries her except Zani or Mushrik??.?The following questions arise
- Is that Statement true or false? It is false, as we see that even the most corrupt man won?t marry an adultress. The most corrupt man would like his wife to be chaste and faithful to him.
- What is the common value between a Zani and a Mushrik? Think very deeply. There is no common value between a Zani and a Mushrik. Zina, with your meaning, is a physical act corresponding to your frame of mind, your desire and your lust. Shirk relates with your faith, conviction, belief, etc.
- Is a Zani always a Mushrik? No.
- Is a Mushrik always a Zani? No.
- A man or a woman can be a non Mushrik and can still be a Zani.
- On the other hand, a Mushrik can easily be a non-Zani.
So brother, the old traditional Jewish translation of the word, as well as your rhetoric, is a conjecture and portrays an irrational and illogical picture of the Quranic text.
Kindly re-consider and feel free to ask questions.God bless you.
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Quote from Mazhar
"The issue was that Dr. sahib said Fahashi is Shirk."Brother, where has Dr. Sahib said that Fahashi is Shirk? He only said that Fahashi is ?the pursuit of one?s own lust/desires, as opposed to the divine ideology?. Utmost care is required while God?s words are discussed since it is a matter of universal guidance. Misquotes always mislead.
The problem is that when people start idolizing other men, everything gets blurred. A little while earlier it was said loudly
Aurangzeb
Dear friends,May I suggest the most up to date meaning of "Fahash", according to the research of Dr. Qamar Zaman of "www.aastana.com". That is
"THE PURSUIT OF ONE'S OWN PERSONAL DESIRES AS AGAINST THE DIVINE DISCIPLINE."
Hence "Fahash" becomes equal to "SHIRK", making it one of the most serious offenses. -
?The verse quoted unimbiguously shows that his assertion is mere conjecture and scum.?
It would be only reasonable if you try to ?show? and prove that ?his assertion is mere conjecture and scum?. To use such words without bearing the burden of proof, is felony of the worst kind dear brother. Not appropriate for a Quranic sudent.
Here you are confirming he said this. First you make up your mind whether or not he declared Fahashi as Shirk, then I will quote you the verses which will make it abundantly lucid that his statement is conjecture and scum.