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    Thereformer1
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    means fight but not kill..

    Did I say the opposite ?

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      Mazhar
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      Did I say the opposite ?

      Well done, Mr. Arab for confirming this that you are a solitary Arab in whose Arabic means this
      means fight but not kill..

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        Thereformer1
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        Well done, Mr. Arab for confirming this that you are a solitary Arab in whose Arabic means this
        means fight but not kill..

        yeah whatever

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          herbman
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          means fight but not kill..Taliban must stop now behaving like idiots, this is the meaning pronounced by an Arab by birth.. Non believers should also now feel relaxed, no war like thing, it is just fight, less dangerous than wrestling club's competitions.

          Salam, Peace,

          can you please clarify, show, demonstrate etc means fight.

          Thanks

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            Mazhar
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            Salam, Peace,

            can you please clarify, show, demonstrate etc means fight.

            Thanks

            Brother, I did not say this. A gentleman by the name Reformer who is an "Arab", he says this, if you please see the whole page.

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              Thereformer1
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              Salam, Peace,
              can you please clarify, show, demonstrate etc means fight.
              Thanks

              ok let's do some Arabic lessons

              the verb "" means " to fight "

              the verb " " means " to kill "

              a sentence ( Let's fight and kill each other ) in Arabic ( &#1585.

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                herbman
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                ok let's do some Arabic lessons

                the verb "" means " to fight "

                the verb " " means " to kill "

                a sentence ( Let's fight and kill each other ) in Arabic ( &#1585.

                Thanks for your explanation sun

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                  Thereformer1
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                  Thanks for your explanation sun

                  You're welcome , the pleasure is mine

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                    Mazhar
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                    Play did'nt yield results. To efface effect of ridiculous explanation, see meanings of fight and use of same Arabic word in Grand Qur'aan when and how it is used for fight

                    Fight

                    1. vti use violence to use violent physical means such as blows with fists or a weapon to try to overpower somebody
                    2. vti go to war to go to war, or engage in armed conflict with another country, force, or group
                    3. vi take part in war to take part in a war or battle, e.g. as a member or unit of the armed forces involved in it.

                    http//www.haqeeqat.org.pk/English%20Tafsir%20e%20Haqeeqat/00.Arabic%20Text/028.%20Al%20Qasas/28.15.gif
                    And he entered the City/Egypt at a point in time when he was in the state of unmindful ness about its people/surroundings.
                    http//www.haqeeqat.org.pk/English%20Tafsir%20e%20Haqeeqat/00.Arabic%20Text/028.%20Al%20Qasas/28.15a.gif
                    Thereat he found therein two men mutually fighting with each other, this one was from his tribe/nation and the other one was from his enemy tribe/nation;

                    AlQasas28

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                      Thereformer1
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                      Play did'nt yield results. To efface effect of ridiculous explanation, see meanings of fight and use of same Arabic word in Grand Qur'aan when and how it is used for fight
                      Fight

                      1. vti use violence to use violent physical means such as blows with fists or a weapon to try to overpower somebody
                      2. vti go to war to go to war, or engage in armed conflict with another country, force, or group
                      3. vi take part in war to take part in a war or battle, e.g. as a member or unit of the armed forces involved in it.
                        http//www.haqeeqat.org.pk/English%20Tafsir%20e%20Haqeeqat/00.Arabic%20Text/028.%20Al%20Qasas/28.15.gif
                        And he entered the City/Egypt at a point in time when he was in the state of unmindful ness about its people/surroundings.
                        http//www.haqeeqat.org.pk/English%20Tafsir%20e%20Haqeeqat/00.Arabic%20Text/028.%20Al%20Qasas/28.15a.gif
                        Thereat he found therein two men mutually fighting with each other, this one was from his tribe/nation and the other one was from his enemy tribe/nation;
                        AlQasas28

                      haha, oh my God .

                      the word here in this verse is from the verb "" and it means fight too with a different, is that this fighting in this verse can be by mouth "insulting each other" or can be by hands "punching each other" .

                      look at the difference of the verbs that I stated before and that I wrote it here in this post . Please give it a break . You don't know Arabic so stop your aims of getting people confused .

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                        Mazhar
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                        haha, oh my God .

                        the word here in this verse is from the verb "" and it means fight too with a different, is that this fighting in this verse can be by mouth "insulting each other" or can be by hands "punching each other" .

                        look at the difference of the verbs that I stated before and that I wrote it here in this post . Please give it a break . You don't know Arabic so stop your aims of getting people confused .

                        Good, here you say that Form VIII verb means insulting or punching each other. And punching each other means real fighting . You did not mention about my "poor English knowledge" since I have used "mutually fighting" and have unnceccarily added "with each other". Now I think that I can bring in the emphatic connotative aspect of the Form VIII verb by using the word "fiercely", and you tell me how could I put in the translation the original reflexive causitive meanings of the Form VIII verb.

                        Original Form I verb is and is Form III, the form used in the verse under study but is Imperative. The basic meanings of this Form is CAUSITIVE to be Active Participle and when in the verb meanings are also of "with" it reflects mutality. So there in verse 29 they are being asked for war not mutual punching.

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                          Thereformer1
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                          Original Form I verb is and is Form III, the form used in the verse under study but is Imperative. The basic meanings of this Form is CAUSITIVE to be Active Participle and when in the verb meanings are also of "with" it reflects mutality. So there in verse 29 they are being asked for war not mutual punching.

                          When there is a fight between two nations, it means that they are in a War with each other .

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                            Mazhar
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                            When there is a fight between two nations, it means that they are in a War with each other .

                            Thanks for such a scholarly quote.

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                              ayyub
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                              If you read even further up in al-Quran, you will find this in 913

                              Would you not fight a people who broke their oaths and intended to expel the messenger, especially while they were the ones who attacked you first? Are you concerned about them? It is God who is more deserving that you be concerned with if you are believers.

                              This is a very good point. I will listen to talk radio and currently Islam is a common subject and I will here people quote verses from the Quran but fail to quote the verses before and after (or sometimes even the complete verse). Just yesterday I heard someone say "the Quran says, 'Kill Them' referring to the infidels meaning Jews and Christians, and 'Beat them' referring to their wives."

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                                ayyub
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                                When there is a fight between two nations, it means that they are in a War with each other .

                                A good point, if it was one sided I guess that would be an "attack", not a "fight".

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                                  1CELOSTNOWFOUND
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                                  Peace all

                                  In response to the original post, the following link may shed some light on the subject. It is a paper presented by Dr. aisha Musa at our Quran Conference in South Africa earlier this year. although the subject is jizya, I thought that this may be of interest to those reading this thread.

                                  http//www.alburhaanquran.net/images/Conference%202010/10.%20Jizya.pdf

                                  For other papers presented at the conference, check out

                                  http//www.alburhaanquran.net/Conference%202010.htm

                                  Imraan

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