Taking off the Hijab
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It's interesting to observe how some men will try anything to derail a debate between women who have made up their mind about hijab and refuse to listen to the brothers' ongoing bullying advice.
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One is not your brother. The muslimahs are my women friends (not girl friends). You could only have me as a brother if you were my brother as well. And of course, if you're a lesbian, I'll accept you as my brother. handshake
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Read the verse, quran 2430. What does it say?
. Tell the believing men to lower their gaze (from looking at forbidden things), and protect their private parts (from illegal sexual acts). That is purer for them. Verily, All?h is All-Aware of what they do.
the order is for prophet to tell men . please can you stop posting to my replies or in fact I'll not respond to your posts.
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3333." And stay in your houses, and do not display yourselves like that of the times of ignorance, and perform As-Sal?t (Iqam?t-as-Sal?t), and give Zak?t and obey All?h and His Messenger."
the word in Arabic is too powerful than "stay" in english .
If that applied to women then it would imply the opposite for men. So it would mean, men would be commanded to stay outside the houses.
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the speech literally is for the wives of the prophet but goes for all women because God created women not just wives of prophets .
Good Lord! Now veiling them and telling them to not speak in public is not enough -- no, they shall stay in their houses all the time.
If women are such a danger for society that they need to be locked away and made invisible, it might be better to bury them alive right after birth.
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. Tell the believing men to lower their gaze (from looking at forbidden things), and protect their private parts (from illegal sexual acts). That is purer for them. Verily, All?h is All-Aware of what they do.
the order is for prophet to tell men . please can you stop posting to my replies or in fact I'll not respond to your posts.
The prophet's only order is to be the messenger, not do the things in the quran at every moment even today.
And there is no "oh prophet, tell the believing men". Because who would notice a man staring at a woman other than a woman that was being stared at?
Exactly, and if she doesn't tell him, then she would just get angry and troubled by a men looking at her. And on the day of judgement if she goes to the god and complains about a man looking at her... wouldn't the god ask her if she told the guy not to look at her?
How dare you order me to not post to your replies. The verse is clear... otherwise it would be the prophet's job to do everything in the quran. Do you ask that we awake the dead?
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Good Lord! Now veiling them and telling them to not speak in public is not enough -- no, they shall stay in their houses all the time.
If women are such a danger for society that they need to be locked away and made invisible, it might be better to bury them alive right after birth.
Liars go to hell fires! elektro
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no, they shall stay in their houses all the time.
The verse says and I was trying to explain to you how but I think we must let the dead man resting in peace.
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The majority of the non-Arabs are unaware of the distortion in the translations of the Qur?an. This ignorance exerts an extremely damaging effect on their belief in God. Even if there are a few who are able to discern such discrepancies, the vast majority of non-Arabs never take an intellectual stand against these illogical translations and commentaries.
http//idris43.tripod.com/sitebuildercontent/sitebuilderfiles/arab_conspiracy_against_islam.pdf
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The majority of the non-Arabs are unaware of the distortion in the translations of the Qur?an. This ignorance exerts an extremely damaging effect on their belief in God. Even if there are a few who are able to discern such discrepancies, the vast majority of non-Arabs never take an intellectual stand against these illogical translations and commentaries.
http//idris43.tripod.com/sitebuildercontent/sitebuilderfiles/arab_conspiracy_against_islam.pdf
I really don't know why you're promoting this it is an onslaught on Sunnism.
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Wrong! Allah does not tell me to lower my gaze.
so its not from Allah that you should lower your gaze? of course it is!Allah tells you women to tell us men to lower our gaze, allah teaches you how to empower yourself, how to speak up!
No the verse is not Allah speaking specifically to women, it is Allah talking to ALL believers, so we should be reminding each other what He said.
If you don't obey allah then you will for ever be timid and not be able to yelp when a man comes groping and perving over you.
And the following verse is about women lowering their gaze too, does that mean men have to tell us to do that or women have to tell us OR does is mean that Allah is telling ALL OF US?
It's not my problem that I perve over a woman, I enjoy it. And things that a nice, are a taste of heaven.
It is your problem. Stop trying to make it a womans fault that you're a pervert voodoo
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Are you crazy?
the speech literally is for the wives of the prophet but goes for all women because God created women not just wives of prophets .
Are YOU crazy? This is SPECIFICALLY for the wives of the prophet and thats why is says Wives and consorts of the prophet!! Stop adding to Gods Words!when a speech from God to prophet or to his wives is valid for all . if we use your logic, we will not obey the prophet because Quran was recited to him alone. what a joke .
Quran was recited TO Muhammed FOR HIM TO RECITE TO THE PEOPLE. This verse is specific to his wives. By your logic you should also be staying in the home!
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so its not from Allah that you should lower your gaze? of course it is!
No the verse is not Allah speaking specifically to women, it is Allah talking to ALL believers, so we should be reminding each other what He said.And the following verse is about women lowering their gaze too, does that mean men have to tell us to do that or women have to tell us OR does is mean that Allah is telling ALL OF US?
It is your problem. Stop trying to make it a womans fault that you're a pervert voodooSo you're going to ask me to lower my gaze in front of my potential wife?
The following verse is about someone else telling the believing women to lower their gaze, and hide their prettyness. Anyone who notices the glaring should make it clear. But if a woman says it, the men would listen. Men listen to strong commanding females, especially when they're giving the quran as a message in a proper way.
Why do you find it wrong that I am perverted for women and am so as according to the quran.
The god made us like this. If you don't want glaring and stuff towards you, you'd this time, cover your face, and make sure not even the tinyest hint of you being a woman is shown. When men rather than find you attractive, shit their pants... then you've helped the men to not be perverted at you.
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I really don't know why you're promoting this it is an onslaught on Sunnism.
Indeed. In fact, the booklet this quote is taken from propagates a Qur'an-only approach.
Some excerpts
Gods revelations had to come down in some language and there is no doubt that it is the message and not the messenger nor the language of the messenger, which is of supreme importance. But those who refuse to believe will regard the language as an encumbrance in accepting God's message. The Quran teaches that the language of Gods Scripture immaterial and that God will put His message into the hearts of sincere believers irrespective of their mother tongue. The Quran says those who disbelieve are bickering about the language not the message. The Quran gives a good example about the people of the past who had disputed about the language of the Torah. There were instances of those who claimed to be following the teachings of Moses but divided themselves into many sects in their religion. They differed in the interpretations and understanding of the Torah. Similar disputes are, not surprisingly, raging within the Arab religion. The Quran predicts that people would have questioned Gods revelation no matter in what language He chose to reveal it
Had we made it a non-Arabic reading they would have said, Why are the verses not explained? Shall we reveal a non-Arabic quran10 to an Arab? Say, For those who believe it is a beacon and a guide. As for those who do not believe they will be deaf and blind to it, as if they are being called from afar. We also gave Moses the Scripture and it, too, was disputed. If it were not for a predetermined decision by your Lord, they would have been judged immediately. They are in great doubt thereof. (4144-45)
If presented in Arabic to the non-Arabs they could not accept it when recited to them. This is the way We render it to the hearts of the wicked. Consequently, they fail to believe until the painful retributions strikes them. (26198-201)
Despite the fact that the Quran was revealed in Arabic, God has not preferred the Arabs over other races. He made it clear by resolutely condemning Arabs in the Arabic Scripture in the strong terms where He says they are the staunchest in disbelief and hypocrisy.
The Arabs were pagans
The Arabs were ignorant of Gods Scripture and they knew nothing about an orderly way of life or the deen adhered to by Abraham, Ishmael, Isaac, Jacob and the other prophets, and nothing about what was revealed to Moses and Jesus. Therefore they had no idea of Gods prescribed way of life (Deen-nil-lah) encompassing His decrees (sharial-lah), His limits (hududul-lah), the existence of a harmonious system sanctioned by Him (aminal-baytal-Harami), His prescribed submission (masa-jidil-lah), His sanctioned submission (masjidil-Harami) and the concept of in the path of God (fi-sabi-lil-lah) which had been known to Abraham, Moses, Jesus and the previous messengers.
God says the Arab race was ummyin79 referring to them as gentiles, a race who had no prior knowledge of Gods Scriptures. 622 says
huwal-lazi baasha He is the One who sent
fil-ummyin in the midst of the gentiles
rosulan min-hum a messenger from them
yatlu alaihem to recite upon them
wa-yuzak-kihem and to purify them
wa-yualimuhumul and the knowledge of
kitaba the Scripture
wal-Hikmata and the wisdom
wa-ainkanu indeed, they were
min-qoblu from before
lafi-thola-lin mubin in total loss.Indeed, before Muhammad was sent to the Arabs, they were in total loss about the orderly way of life or the deen. Sadly, but not unexpectedly, they continue to be.
Obviously as pagans they refused to serve God alone. From day one - they rejected the messenger and the revelations. Muslim scholars boast about this man portraying him as the most popular figure among the Arabs but nothing about his disappointment and frustration. Let us read the untold stories about this man from the Quran.
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Now, this is where we see Muslim scholars and the mullahs refused to believe what the Qur'an says. They insist the messenger gave them something else apart of the Quran. They call this something else as the Hadiths of the prophet. In other words, they say the Qur'an is wrong.
...The great challenge
The practising Sunnis and Shiite reading this who have thus far believed there is a holy mosque, holy house, holy land, holy water, holy black stone, holy grave and holy footprints should make a choice.
They can either-
Continue to devote and humble themselves to a stone shrine or a stone house which are entities related to idol-worship (and they should remember that whatever they conceal in their hearts does not escape God).
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Stop worshipping the stone idol in Mecca and serve the One God by devoting and humbling themselves in submission through Gods system (bait) based on the teachings of the Quran alone, free from religious intention and invention.
Which would you rather answer for on the Last Day?
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To readers of translations
For those many who have rejected the Hadith books written by men, this book represents another step in their journey on the path of God.
But the Devil says I am waiting for them on your Straight Path and I will mislead all of the without exception.80 It would be inefficient of him to waste his time waiting for people who are already on the wrong path.
If such people are gratified with what they understand from the translations without any careful study or verification, they are likely to be frozen along with the translators personal understanding and beliefs which as a rule are taken wholesale from the very Hadith books the reader has rejected.
ARAB CONSPIRACIES AGAINST ISLAM, Aidid Safar, pps. 6, 194, 198
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The text was written by a man.
I know... I've heard of it before. Where this one guy was staring at a woman for so long, and his friend came and asked him why he was looking at that woman, and I'm sure you know the rest of that. The starer replied. "I haven't finished my one look" or something like that.