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    Ayisha
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    3333." And stay in your houses, and do not display yourselves like that of the times of ignorance, and perform As-Sal?t (Iqam?t-as-Sal?t), and give Zak?t and obey All?h and His Messenger."

    the word in Arabic is too powerful than "stay" in english .

    this is for the wives of the prophet, not for all women. Read the whole verse and stop trying to mislead people.

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      Its Allah tells you to lower your gaze in Quran. if you cant cope with seeing a bit of hair then you need to reconfirm what Allah has told you to do. Its a mans problem he cant control himself, not a womans.

      Wrong! Allah does not tell me to lower my gaze.

      Allah tells you women to tell us men to lower our gaze, allah teaches you how to empower yourself, how to speak up! If you don't obey allah then you will for ever be timid and not be able to yelp when a man comes groping and perving over you. It's not my problem that I perve over a woman, I enjoy it. And things that a nice, are a taste of heaven.

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        well, as you said he (God) tells us to lower our gaze but he orders you to stay at home. this is an order police

        Read the verse, quran 2430. What does it say?

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          this is for the wives of the prophet, not for all women. Read the whole verse and stop trying to mislead people.

          Are you crazy?

          the speech literally is for the wives of the prophet but goes for all women because God created women not just wives of prophets .

          when a speech from God to prophet or to his wives is valid for all . if we use your logic, we will not obey the prophet because Quran was recited to him alone. what a joke .

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            post the verse He orders me to stay at home.

            243-9 is probably one that refers to women staying home. I think he's accusing you of adultery/fornication.

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              It's interesting to observe how some men will try anything to derail a debate between women who have made up their mind about hijab and refuse to listen to the brothers' ongoing bullying advice.

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              One is not your brother. The muslimahs are my women friends (not girl friends). You could only have me as a brother if you were my brother as well. And of course, if you're a lesbian, I'll accept you as my brother. handshake

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                Read the verse, quran 2430. What does it say?

                . Tell the believing men to lower their gaze (from looking at forbidden things), and protect their private parts (from illegal sexual acts). That is purer for them. Verily, All?h is All-Aware of what they do.

                the order is for prophet to tell men . please can you stop posting to my replies or in fact I'll not respond to your posts.

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                  3333." And stay in your houses, and do not display yourselves like that of the times of ignorance, and perform As-Sal?t (Iqam?t-as-Sal?t), and give Zak?t and obey All?h and His Messenger."

                  the word in Arabic is too powerful than "stay" in english .

                  If that applied to women then it would imply the opposite for men. So it would mean, men would be commanded to stay outside the houses.

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                    the speech literally is for the wives of the prophet but goes for all women because God created women not just wives of prophets .

                    Good Lord! Now veiling them and telling them to not speak in public is not enough -- no, they shall stay in their houses all the time.

                    If women are such a danger for society that they need to be locked away and made invisible, it might be better to bury them alive right after birth.

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                      . Tell the believing men to lower their gaze (from looking at forbidden things), and protect their private parts (from illegal sexual acts). That is purer for them. Verily, All?h is All-Aware of what they do.

                      the order is for prophet to tell men . please can you stop posting to my replies or in fact I'll not respond to your posts.

                      The prophet's only order is to be the messenger, not do the things in the quran at every moment even today.

                      And there is no "oh prophet, tell the believing men". Because who would notice a man staring at a woman other than a woman that was being stared at?

                      Exactly, and if she doesn't tell him, then she would just get angry and troubled by a men looking at her. And on the day of judgement if she goes to the god and complains about a man looking at her... wouldn't the god ask her if she told the guy not to look at her?

                      How dare you order me to not post to your replies. The verse is clear... otherwise it would be the prophet's job to do everything in the quran. Do you ask that we awake the dead?

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                        Good Lord! Now veiling them and telling them to not speak in public is not enough -- no, they shall stay in their houses all the time.

                        If women are such a danger for society that they need to be locked away and made invisible, it might be better to bury them alive right after birth.

                        Liars go to hell fires! elektro

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                          no, they shall stay in their houses all the time.

                          The verse says and I was trying to explain to you how but I think we must let the dead man resting in peace.

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                            The majority of the non-Arabs are unaware of the distortion in the translations of the Qur?an. This ignorance exerts an extremely damaging effect on their belief in God. Even if there are a few who are able to discern such discrepancies, the vast majority of non-Arabs never take an intellectual stand against these illogical translations and commentaries.

                            http//idris43.tripod.com/sitebuildercontent/sitebuilderfiles/arab_conspiracy_against_islam.pdf

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                              The majority of the non-Arabs are unaware of the distortion in the translations of the Qur?an. This ignorance exerts an extremely damaging effect on their belief in God. Even if there are a few who are able to discern such discrepancies, the vast majority of non-Arabs never take an intellectual stand against these illogical translations and commentaries.

                              http//idris43.tripod.com/sitebuildercontent/sitebuilderfiles/arab_conspiracy_against_islam.pdf

                              I really don't know why you're promoting this it is an onslaught on Sunnism.

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                                Ayisha
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                                Wrong! Allah does not tell me to lower my gaze.
                                so its not from Allah that you should lower your gaze? of course it is!

                                Allah tells you women to tell us men to lower our gaze, allah teaches you how to empower yourself, how to speak up!

                                No the verse is not Allah speaking specifically to women, it is Allah talking to ALL believers, so we should be reminding each other what He said.

                                If you don't obey allah then you will for ever be timid and not be able to yelp when a man comes groping and perving over you.

                                And the following verse is about women lowering their gaze too, does that mean men have to tell us to do that or women have to tell us OR does is mean that Allah is telling ALL OF US?

                                It's not my problem that I perve over a woman, I enjoy it. And things that a nice, are a taste of heaven.

                                It is your problem. Stop trying to make it a womans fault that you're a pervert voodoo

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                                  Are you crazy?

                                  the speech literally is for the wives of the prophet but goes for all women because God created women not just wives of prophets .
                                  Are YOU crazy? This is SPECIFICALLY for the wives of the prophet and thats why is says Wives and consorts of the prophet!! Stop adding to Gods Words!

                                  when a speech from God to prophet or to his wives is valid for all . if we use your logic, we will not obey the prophet because Quran was recited to him alone. what a joke .

                                  Quran was recited TO Muhammed FOR HIM TO RECITE TO THE PEOPLE. This verse is specific to his wives. By your logic you should also be staying in the home!

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                                    I really don't know why you're promoting this it is an onslaught on Sunnism.

                                    more proof he may be able to read but certainly does not understand what he reads ;D

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                                      so its not from Allah that you should lower your gaze? of course it is!
                                      No the verse is not Allah speaking specifically to women, it is Allah talking to ALL believers, so we should be reminding each other what He said.

                                      And the following verse is about women lowering their gaze too, does that mean men have to tell us to do that or women have to tell us OR does is mean that Allah is telling ALL OF US?
                                      It is your problem. Stop trying to make it a womans fault that you're a pervert voodoo

                                      So you're going to ask me to lower my gaze in front of my potential wife?

                                      The following verse is about someone else telling the believing women to lower their gaze, and hide their prettyness. Anyone who notices the glaring should make it clear. But if a woman says it, the men would listen. Men listen to strong commanding females, especially when they're giving the quran as a message in a proper way.

                                      Why do you find it wrong that I am perverted for women and am so as according to the quran.

                                      The god made us like this. If you don't want glaring and stuff towards you, you'd this time, cover your face, and make sure not even the tinyest hint of you being a woman is shown. When men rather than find you attractive, shit their pants... then you've helped the men to not be perverted at you.

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                                        Let's just say, when I was married... I didn't even dare look at another woman. Now I just '( after even seeing one pass by this front desk on the street on the other side of the window front.

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                                          Don't Tell Men Not to Stare

                                          The text was written by a man.

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