What does God mean in verses where he mentions hadith?
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The verses that you have stated where the word "Hadith" mentioned .
487 (87) hadith here means who is honest more than God in his speech and sayings and his news, and his promises and his rewards.
So who IS more honest than God in his speech? NO ONE. Clearly saying THIS speech is THE most truth you will get, so look ONLY at THIS speech, from GOD
7185 (185) here the word hadith means what the prophet said to the non-believers from (green sentence) fear and (Blue sentence) God's creations. So it is what came in Quran (the words in Quran are hadiths of God)
This is what GOD said, GOD authored Quran not Muhammed, I am well aware that Quran is the hadith of GOD. I welcome others to correct this but Ali translates this as
"Do they see nothing in the government of the heavens and the earth and all that Allah hath created? (Do they not see) that it may well be that their terms is nigh drawing to an end? In what message after this will they then believe?"
Now based on your translation of the verse, 'fear Gods creations' now that also means 'fear man' as man is one of Gods creations. So why do you follow mans hadith after Gods? YOU obviously dont believe that Gods hadith is THE BEST hadith do you?
316 (6) here the word is collecation of two words (red words) . so the word hadith here means everything that makes people not listening to God's words.
hhhmmm I seriously welcome a word for word translation on this but im sure someone will pick up on it.hadith here is idle tales, baseless HADITH with no knowledge etc. You are not listening to Gods words and are listening to a mans hadith, baseless hadith, idle tales, rather than listen to ONLY Gods words.
456 here God asking the non-believers if you do not believe in God's words what words you(the non-believers) will believe .
well it cant be clearer than that can it? So why do YOU continue to believe in others words besides and sometimes above Gods?5234 (34 ) here God Challenging the non-believers who they said that these verses made by Muhammed peace be upon to bring like him if they are honest .
Yes and is any other hadith like this one? These verses were made by GOD not by Muhammed. Muhammed is only reciting what God tells him to.Now in all these you dont think it has anything to do with YOU because it says 'non-believers' and YOU think that doesnt include YOU. It IS about YOU because YOU dont even listen to the verses YOU have explained to me saying Gods word is the ONLY truth!
so is there anything in these verses pointed out that hadith is about hadith that Muslims follow ? all the word of Hadith in the verses are for non-believers .
Yes, everything! open your eyes! see what I said above for non-believers because that is YOU who doesnt believe Gods Words!!
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Yes, everything! open your eyes! see what I said above for non-believers because that is YOU who doesnt believe Gods Words!!
I said the word Hadith in all these verses are for non-believers . Are you saying that Sunni Muslims and shia Muslims are non-believers ?
I'll not next time reply to any post of you , you distorted my post and my explanations to you . >(
You know what , as Leyna or you said before " ".
I've had enough of your misunderstanding of the message .
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I said the word Hadith in all these verses are for non-believers . Are you saying that Sunni Muslims and shia Muslims are non-believers ?
you really cannot see it can you? ???
Lets take 7185
Ali Do they see nothing in the government of the heavens and the earth and all that Allah hath created? (Do they not see) that it may well be that their terms is nigh drawing to an end? In what message after this will they then believe?You here the word hadith means what the prophet said to the non-believers from (green sentence) fear and (Blue sentence) God's creations. So it is what came in Quran (the words in Quran are hadiths of God)
Now here you have put in 'non-believers' and also said its what the prophet said to the non-believers. In Arabic it doesnt mention Muhammed or non-believers.
The verse before it Do they not reflect? Their companion is not seized with madness he is but a perspicuous warner.
so the verse is talking about the MUSLIMS, the companions of the prophet, Do THEY not reflect. It is clearly saying that there are non-believers among the Muslims BECAUSE they dont look at Gods words and rather go for idle tales, baseless hadith, and other mans words BESIDES Gods ONLY TRUE HADITH
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Ali Such are the Signs of Allah, which We rehearse to thee in Truth; then in what exposition will they believe after (rejecting) Allah and His Signs?You here God asking the non-believers if you do not believe in God's words what words you(the non-believers) will believe .
Again you have added non-believers when the words arent there in Arabic. The words you made red say 'in what statement' and 'they' (not 'you' as you said) is also clearly there in Arabic and not 'you the non-believers'
You just dont SEE these verses are clearly saying Allah is the only truth, listen to Him only and not to others who make things up, use idle tales or baseless hadith/sayings and lead you off the path.
It is not for YOU to decide if YOU are a true believer, it is only for Allah to decide and THIS Quran is how He is telling YOU what IS or is NOT a believer. One who follows others beside Allah, who follows hadith/sayings/words of other than Allah is NOT a believer. One who follows ONLY the TRUE and BEST HADITH of Allah and ONLY follows HIM IS a believer.
Now what are YOU going to be?
I'll not next time reply to any post of you , you distorted my post and my
explanations to you . >You know what , as Leyna or you said before " ".
I've had enough of your misunderstanding of the message .
I knew you would say that! yay You always refuse to answer when you have been backed into a corner and have no reply. Dont be scared to open your eyes, the Truth is sooo beautiful sun
3945 When Allah, the One and Only, is mentioned, the hearts of those who believe not in the Hereafter are filled with disgust and horror; but when (gods) other than He are mentioned, behold, they are filled with joy!
YOU may think you believe in everything but its YOU that is filled with disgust and horror when God Alone is mentioned and are filled with joy when others hadith are mentioned.
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you really cannot see it can you? ???
Yeah right because you're the one who speak arabic and know the real meanings of the word not me . And Quran is an english .
how do you know that translation is right and it is really what it is now ?
P.S I didn't answer your questions because you didn't answer one question of me (Prove that the word Hadith is about Hadith)? .
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Yeah right because you're the one who speak arabic and know the real meanings of the word not me . And Quran is an english .
how do you know that translation is right and it is really what it is now ?
Prove its not. I looked at the verses IN Arabic and my husband who is Egyptian verified what they said. There are a few verses there, not just one. I dont understand what you mean by 'how do you know that translation is right and it is really what it is now ? are you saying that the Arabic in Quran is not Arabic or that the meanings of words have changed?P.S I didn't answer your questions because you didn't answer one question of me (Prove that the word Hadith is about Hadith)? .
I did answer your question, the answer was that I didnt SAY in the first place it was about bukhari hadith but you KNOW it is, I KNOW it is, it is about those hadith attributed to the messenger and ANY other sayings/hadith you follow besides GODS Hadith.
If you think its about something else other than hadith then please share that so we can learn, as you said you wanted to do.
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Prove its not. I looked at the verses IN Arabic and my husband who is Egyptian verified what they said. There are a few verses there, not just one. I dont understand what you mean by 'how do you know that translation is right and it is really what it is now ? are you saying that the Arabic in Quran is not Arabic or that the meanings of words have changed?
Yes, I can prove it they will be thousands of words . just bring to me a verse translated in english and I will show you where your fallacies stand .
I did answer your question, the answer was that I didnt SAY in the first place it was about bukhari hadith but you KNOW it is, I KNOW it is, it is about those hadith attributed to the messenger and ANY other sayings/hadith you follow besides GODS Hadith.
No, you didn't prove anything, you're just blabling (bla bla bla bla) where it is said that the hadith is the hadith attributed to the messenger ? .
If you think its about something else other than hadith then please share that so we can learn, as you said you wanted to do.
No, I'll not share anything, ah you already knew everything you don't need to know anything else . Go and ask your husband, he seems that he got answers for you wow
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I looked at the verses IN Arabic and my husband who is Egyptian verified what they said. There are a few verses there, not just one. I dont understand what you mean by 'how do you know that translation is right and it is really what it is now ? are you saying that the Arabic in Quran is not Arabic or that the meanings of words have changed?
Yes, I can prove it they will be thousands of words . just bring to me a verse translated in english and I will show you where your fallacies stand .
Ok do this one
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But there are, among men, those who purchase idle tales, without knowledge (or meaning), to mislead (men) from the Path of Allah and throw ridicule (on the Path) for such there will be a Humiliating Penalty.I did answer your question, the answer was that I didnt SAY in the first place it was about bukhari hadith but you KNOW it is, I KNOW it is, it is about those hadith attributed to the messenger and ANY other sayings/hadith you follow besides GODS Hadith.
No, you didn't prove anything, you're just blabling (bla bla bla bla) where it is said that the hadith is the hadith attributed to the messenger ? .
I didnt set out to 'prove' anything, you keep telling me to 'prove' it is the hadith of Bukhari and I told you that is NOT what I said.The only one starting to babble is you, what I am saying is quite clear.
Can you prove its NOT about hadith of Bukhari?
If you think its about something else other than hadith then please share that so we can learn, as you said you wanted to do.
No, I'll not share anything, ah you already knew everything you don't need to know anything else . Go and ask your husband, he seems that he got answers for you wow
Is that the correct response towards someone asking you about Islam? You go off in a tantrum stamping your feet refusing to answer and explain?
Yes I do know what these verses mean but you are claiming that hadith doesnt mean hadith, so I am asking YOU to explain what it does mean according to you. if you cannot do that then say 'I dont know' rather than stomping off refusing to 'share' like a spoilt child.
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Salaam, is it written anywhere in The Qur'an to follow Muhammeds Hadith?
Never. Not once. No occurence of the words 'hadith' and 'sunna' in Quran ever refer to the Prophet's hadith.
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So when Allah says things like 'obey the messenger' He can't be refering to Muhammeds Hadith because He'd say so.
Everything Muhammed said regarding islam could only be from Allah in the form of The Qur'an.
I think commands (if that's the right word) like 'obey the messenger' were obviously to the muslims during the time Muhammed lived. Because we can't obey him now as he is sadly no longer with us.
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Selam
Just a thought, the Quran starts many verses with 'Say' e.g from my understanding asking the prophet to say this or that which the people may have been asking around the time of the revelation. So if we take it that Hadith are a side note to Quran or an explenation of Quran then why the 'Say' verses? I hope I have explained myself correctly.
Peace
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Alien, one thing which struck me when I first migrated from Traditionalism to Quranism is this that the Quran, although protecting the position of the messenger, inextricably links the messenger with the Quran itself. The messenger doesn't give his own instructions, explanations and judgements. Ayah 8/20 is the best example of this
O ye who believe! Obey Allah and His Messenger, and turn not away from him when ye hear
As you can see, it says to obey Allah AND the messenger but dont turn away from HIM. Why ? Because the messenger is the mouthpiece of Allah. That's why it ends with 'when you HEAR'.
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'Salaam Aleykum.
Weren't the Hadith written like 200 years after Prophet's death and the first Qur'an?
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I said the word Hadith in all these verses are for non-believers . Are you saying that Sunni Muslims and shia Muslims are non-believers ?
Of course. The Quran says it is "mufassal" (detailed); they say "NO, it is not detailed. Show us from the Quran where will you put your fingers during the prayer or how will you wash your mouth during ablution?"
Of course. The Quran says it is "mubin" (open) "yassarna liz Zikri" (We made it easy to understand); they say "NO, it is not easy to understand. We cannot understand the Quran without explanation of hadith and sunna."
Of course. The Quran says it is "tamam" (complete); they say "No, it is useless without hadith and sunna"
Of course. The Quran says it is unique as the source of guidance and challenges the ingrates to bring "hadithin mislihi" (A HADITH LIKE IT); they say "No, Abu Dawud narrates a hadith claiming that the Prophet Muhammad was given the Quran and its like."I can continue this list until thousand, and you will still be blind and deaf to the glaring fact prophetically declared in verse 25.30
Peace,
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Ok do this one
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But there are, among men, those who purchase idle tales, without knowledge (or meaning), to mislead (men) from the Path of Allah and throw ridicule (on the Path) for such there will be a Humiliating Penalty.Hadith is not idle tales, I'm with knowledge( I doubt you're), Hadith's aim is not mislead in fact it is the opposite.
Now my question do you know what God means by "Idle tales" ?
I didnt set out to 'prove' anything, you keep telling me to 'prove' it is the hadith of Bukhari and I told you that is NOT what I said.
The only one starting to babble is you, what I am saying is quite clear.No, you're not . You wanted to say that Hadith Bukhari is what Quran talks about. So let me remind you you're just adding words from your opinions and your desires to God's words because God didn't say that .
Can you prove its NOT about hadith of Bukhari?
Yes, sure >>> I've said that God pointed out that the speech is for the non-believers from Christians and Jewish and the disbelievers of Arabs . Are they the people that have Hadith of Bukhari?????? let me remind you that 1.5 billion Muslims in the world have hadith of Bukhari.
Is that the correct response towards someone asking you about Islam? You go off in a tantrum stamping your feet refusing to answer and explain?
No, you're not asking me about Islam, you're asking me to follow your fallacies from your antecedent religion that you wanted to realize it in our religion.Interpret the verses by your own desires and your own opinions let alone that you take Islam by english and you read Quran in english . So it is a new version of Islam has been made by the ennemeies of Islam .
Yes I do know what these verses mean but you are claiming that hadith doesnt mean hadith, so I am asking YOU to explain what it does mean according to you. if you cannot do that then say 'I dont know' rather than stomping off refusing to 'share' like a spoilt child.
I think you have got your answer before, go read and conclude .
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Salaam, is it written anywhere in The Qur'an to follow Muhammeds Hadith?
Yes, let's see how you(UnQuranists) translated this verse ?
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Never. Not once. No occurence of the words 'hadith' and 'sunna' in Quran ever refer to the Prophet's hadith.
aha, who told you that ? an angel or you know the unknown , ah no maybe you were there with them.
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'Salaam Aleykum.
Weren't the Hadith written like 200 years after Prophet's death and the first Qur'an?
(Peace be upon him.)Wa Alaykom Asalam .
No, Hadith is already written in the existence of the prophet and because of Sahaba have spread on the earth spreading Islam everywhere what makes it difficult to know how the prophet was doing things and what was his orders(because every Sahaba knew something, the other sahaba don't know and vice cersa), so here came Bukhari but there were people before him who they already wrote Hadith, and he gathered Hadith from Shouyoukh and from "A-ima" and he studied it and he made what we called it Today "Sahih al-Bukhari" .