What does God mean in verses where he mentions hadith?
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you really cannot see it can you? ???
Yeah right because you're the one who speak arabic and know the real meanings of the word not me . And Quran is an english .
how do you know that translation is right and it is really what it is now ?
P.S I didn't answer your questions because you didn't answer one question of me (Prove that the word Hadith is about Hadith)? .
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Yeah right because you're the one who speak arabic and know the real meanings of the word not me . And Quran is an english .
how do you know that translation is right and it is really what it is now ?
Prove its not. I looked at the verses IN Arabic and my husband who is Egyptian verified what they said. There are a few verses there, not just one. I dont understand what you mean by 'how do you know that translation is right and it is really what it is now ? are you saying that the Arabic in Quran is not Arabic or that the meanings of words have changed?P.S I didn't answer your questions because you didn't answer one question of me (Prove that the word Hadith is about Hadith)? .
I did answer your question, the answer was that I didnt SAY in the first place it was about bukhari hadith but you KNOW it is, I KNOW it is, it is about those hadith attributed to the messenger and ANY other sayings/hadith you follow besides GODS Hadith.
If you think its about something else other than hadith then please share that so we can learn, as you said you wanted to do.
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Prove its not. I looked at the verses IN Arabic and my husband who is Egyptian verified what they said. There are a few verses there, not just one. I dont understand what you mean by 'how do you know that translation is right and it is really what it is now ? are you saying that the Arabic in Quran is not Arabic or that the meanings of words have changed?
Yes, I can prove it they will be thousands of words . just bring to me a verse translated in english and I will show you where your fallacies stand .
I did answer your question, the answer was that I didnt SAY in the first place it was about bukhari hadith but you KNOW it is, I KNOW it is, it is about those hadith attributed to the messenger and ANY other sayings/hadith you follow besides GODS Hadith.
No, you didn't prove anything, you're just blabling (bla bla bla bla) where it is said that the hadith is the hadith attributed to the messenger ? .
If you think its about something else other than hadith then please share that so we can learn, as you said you wanted to do.
No, I'll not share anything, ah you already knew everything you don't need to know anything else . Go and ask your husband, he seems that he got answers for you wow
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I looked at the verses IN Arabic and my husband who is Egyptian verified what they said. There are a few verses there, not just one. I dont understand what you mean by 'how do you know that translation is right and it is really what it is now ? are you saying that the Arabic in Quran is not Arabic or that the meanings of words have changed?
Yes, I can prove it they will be thousands of words . just bring to me a verse translated in english and I will show you where your fallacies stand .
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But there are, among men, those who purchase idle tales, without knowledge (or meaning), to mislead (men) from the Path of Allah and throw ridicule (on the Path) for such there will be a Humiliating Penalty.I did answer your question, the answer was that I didnt SAY in the first place it was about bukhari hadith but you KNOW it is, I KNOW it is, it is about those hadith attributed to the messenger and ANY other sayings/hadith you follow besides GODS Hadith.
No, you didn't prove anything, you're just blabling (bla bla bla bla) where it is said that the hadith is the hadith attributed to the messenger ? .
I didnt set out to 'prove' anything, you keep telling me to 'prove' it is the hadith of Bukhari and I told you that is NOT what I said.The only one starting to babble is you, what I am saying is quite clear.
Can you prove its NOT about hadith of Bukhari?
If you think its about something else other than hadith then please share that so we can learn, as you said you wanted to do.
No, I'll not share anything, ah you already knew everything you don't need to know anything else . Go and ask your husband, he seems that he got answers for you wow
Is that the correct response towards someone asking you about Islam? You go off in a tantrum stamping your feet refusing to answer and explain?
Yes I do know what these verses mean but you are claiming that hadith doesnt mean hadith, so I am asking YOU to explain what it does mean according to you. if you cannot do that then say 'I dont know' rather than stomping off refusing to 'share' like a spoilt child.
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Salaam, is it written anywhere in The Qur'an to follow Muhammeds Hadith?
Never. Not once. No occurence of the words 'hadith' and 'sunna' in Quran ever refer to the Prophet's hadith.
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So when Allah says things like 'obey the messenger' He can't be refering to Muhammeds Hadith because He'd say so.
Everything Muhammed said regarding islam could only be from Allah in the form of The Qur'an.
I think commands (if that's the right word) like 'obey the messenger' were obviously to the muslims during the time Muhammed lived. Because we can't obey him now as he is sadly no longer with us.
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Selam
Just a thought, the Quran starts many verses with 'Say' e.g from my understanding asking the prophet to say this or that which the people may have been asking around the time of the revelation. So if we take it that Hadith are a side note to Quran or an explenation of Quran then why the 'Say' verses? I hope I have explained myself correctly.
Peace
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Alien, one thing which struck me when I first migrated from Traditionalism to Quranism is this that the Quran, although protecting the position of the messenger, inextricably links the messenger with the Quran itself. The messenger doesn't give his own instructions, explanations and judgements. Ayah 8/20 is the best example of this
O ye who believe! Obey Allah and His Messenger, and turn not away from him when ye hear
As you can see, it says to obey Allah AND the messenger but dont turn away from HIM. Why ? Because the messenger is the mouthpiece of Allah. That's why it ends with 'when you HEAR'.
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'Salaam Aleykum.
Weren't the Hadith written like 200 years after Prophet's death and the first Qur'an?
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I said the word Hadith in all these verses are for non-believers . Are you saying that Sunni Muslims and shia Muslims are non-believers ?
Of course. The Quran says it is "mufassal" (detailed); they say "NO, it is not detailed. Show us from the Quran where will you put your fingers during the prayer or how will you wash your mouth during ablution?"
Of course. The Quran says it is "mubin" (open) "yassarna liz Zikri" (We made it easy to understand); they say "NO, it is not easy to understand. We cannot understand the Quran without explanation of hadith and sunna."
Of course. The Quran says it is "tamam" (complete); they say "No, it is useless without hadith and sunna"
Of course. The Quran says it is unique as the source of guidance and challenges the ingrates to bring "hadithin mislihi" (A HADITH LIKE IT); they say "No, Abu Dawud narrates a hadith claiming that the Prophet Muhammad was given the Quran and its like."I can continue this list until thousand, and you will still be blind and deaf to the glaring fact prophetically declared in verse 25.30
Peace,
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But there are, among men, those who purchase idle tales, without knowledge (or meaning), to mislead (men) from the Path of Allah and throw ridicule (on the Path) for such there will be a Humiliating Penalty.Hadith is not idle tales, I'm with knowledge( I doubt you're), Hadith's aim is not mislead in fact it is the opposite.
Now my question do you know what God means by "Idle tales" ?
I didnt set out to 'prove' anything, you keep telling me to 'prove' it is the hadith of Bukhari and I told you that is NOT what I said.
The only one starting to babble is you, what I am saying is quite clear.No, you're not . You wanted to say that Hadith Bukhari is what Quran talks about. So let me remind you you're just adding words from your opinions and your desires to God's words because God didn't say that .
Can you prove its NOT about hadith of Bukhari?
Yes, sure >>> I've said that God pointed out that the speech is for the non-believers from Christians and Jewish and the disbelievers of Arabs . Are they the people that have Hadith of Bukhari?????? let me remind you that 1.5 billion Muslims in the world have hadith of Bukhari.
Is that the correct response towards someone asking you about Islam? You go off in a tantrum stamping your feet refusing to answer and explain?
No, you're not asking me about Islam, you're asking me to follow your fallacies from your antecedent religion that you wanted to realize it in our religion.Interpret the verses by your own desires and your own opinions let alone that you take Islam by english and you read Quran in english . So it is a new version of Islam has been made by the ennemeies of Islam .
Yes I do know what these verses mean but you are claiming that hadith doesnt mean hadith, so I am asking YOU to explain what it does mean according to you. if you cannot do that then say 'I dont know' rather than stomping off refusing to 'share' like a spoilt child.
I think you have got your answer before, go read and conclude .
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Salaam, is it written anywhere in The Qur'an to follow Muhammeds Hadith?
Yes, let's see how you(UnQuranists) translated this verse ?
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Never. Not once. No occurence of the words 'hadith' and 'sunna' in Quran ever refer to the Prophet's hadith.
aha, who told you that ? an angel or you know the unknown , ah no maybe you were there with them.
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'Salaam Aleykum.
Weren't the Hadith written like 200 years after Prophet's death and the first Qur'an?
(Peace be upon him.)Wa Alaykom Asalam .
No, Hadith is already written in the existence of the prophet and because of Sahaba have spread on the earth spreading Islam everywhere what makes it difficult to know how the prophet was doing things and what was his orders(because every Sahaba knew something, the other sahaba don't know and vice cersa), so here came Bukhari but there were people before him who they already wrote Hadith, and he gathered Hadith from Shouyoukh and from "A-ima" and he studied it and he made what we called it Today "Sahih al-Bukhari" .
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But there are, among men, those who purchase idle tales, without knowledge (or meaning), to mislead (men) from the Path of Allah and throw ridicule (on the Path) for such there will be a Humiliating Penalty.Hadith is not idle tales, I'm with knowledge( I doubt you're), Hadith's aim is not mislead in fact it is the opposite.
Now my question do you know what God means by "Idle tales" ?
Seems you are not with knowledge, God didnt say idle tales did He, He said HADITH. God says hadith mislead, you contradict God. You still didnt explain the verse that you asked for.
I didnt set out to 'prove' anything, you keep telling me to 'prove' it is the hadith of Bukhari and I told you that is NOT what I said.
The only one starting to babble is you, what I am saying is quite clear.No, you're not . You wanted to say that Hadith Bukhari is what Quran talks about. So let me remind you you're just adding words from your opinions and your desires to God's words because God didn't say that .
Now you are telling me what I wanted to say? You are adding your desires and opinions to Gods words because God DID say hadith and you KNOW He did. You are trying to prove He didnt!Can you prove its NOT about hadith of Bukhari?
Yes, sure >>> I've said that God pointed out that the speech is for the non-believers from Christians and Jewish and the disbelievers of Arabs . Are they the people that have Hadith of Bukhari?????? let me remind you that 1.5 billion Muslims in the world have hadith of Bukhari.
And I have pointed out that God was telling Muhammed that of some of HIS people there are those that follow HADITH not from God, you conveniently ignored that FACT. I have also pointed out that a non-believer (according to GOD) is one who doesnt follow Gods word but follows hadith of others instead = YOU and other hadithist. Also let me remind you of 6116 which mentions your 1.5 billion muslims following hadith. You have NOT proved this is NOT about bukhariIs that the correct response towards someone asking you about Islam? You go off in a tantrum stamping your feet refusing to answer and explain?
No, you're not asking me about Islam, you're asking me to follow your fallacies from your antecedent religion that you wanted to realize it in our religion.Interpret the verses by your own desires and your own opinions let alone that you take Islam by english and you read Quran in english . So it is a new version of Islam has been made by the ennemeies of Islam .
RUBBISH! we are discussing Quran arent we? we are discussing Islam so stop whinning and answer the questions YOU said you could answer. I have quoted IN ARABIC what is said in those verses in ARABIC and the word in ARABIC is HADITH. Now you prove to me that HADITH is NOT what God is talking about and you prove to me what HADITH He IS talking about. Its no good saying He was talking to Jews and Christians because I have already proved you wrong.
Yes I do know what these verses mean but you are claiming that hadith doesnt mean hadith, so I am asking YOU to explain what it does mean according to you. if you cannot do that then say 'I dont know' rather than stomping off refusing to 'share' like a spoilt child.
I think you have got your answer before, go read and conclude .
I have my answer and that is you cant answer the questions and keep saying God didnt say hadith when He clearly DID. You deny God and His message and follow HADITH which you are told NOT to by God. Who is the non-believer?