What does God mean in verses where he mentions hadith?
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I understand Quran better than you. you can lost if I use the Arabic language .
then prove him wrong. If you understand as you say you do, prove it with a verse or verses.
if you understand how come you are saying hadith doesnt mean hadith in those verses? ;D
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Seems you are not with knowledge, God didnt say idle tales did He, He said HADITH. God says hadith mislead, you contradict God. You still didnt explain the verse that you asked for.
You don't know the words, so why I'm disturbing myself with a woman can't even differ between collocation a word alone. first of all you said "idles tales" look at your post , I've just asked you what God meant by this ? so instead of answer me, you said that I'm the one who said this word .What a joke , go make breakfast for your husband.
Now you are telling me what I wanted to say? You are adding your desires and opinions to Gods words because God DID say hadith and you KNOW He did. You are trying to prove He didnt!
Yes, God said Hadith, I'm asking you does he means that the Hadith is hadith of Bukhari ? if Yes prove it ? .
And I have pointed out that God was telling Muhammed that of some of HIS people there are those that follow HADITH not from God, you conveniently ignored that FACT.
This is about another hadith not hadith of Bukhari . The Jewish have brought with them there antecedent stories from their books and they have fascinated the Arabs by these stories and they asked the prophet about those stories and then the verse talked about that some people followed not physicaly but emotionaly and they liked these stories which was not from God .
I have also pointed out that a non-believer (according to GOD) is one who doesnt follow Gods word but follows hadith of others instead = YOU and other hadithist. Also let me remind you of 6116 which mentions your 1.5 billion muslims following hadith. You have NOT proved this is NOT about bukhari
see above (the stories of Jewish) .
RUBBISH! we are discussing Quran arent we? we are discussing Islam so stop whinning and answer the questions YOU said you could answer. I have quoted IN ARABIC what is said in those verses in ARABIC and the word in ARABIC is HADITH. Now you prove to me that HADITH is NOT what God is talking about and you prove to me what HADITH He IS talking about. Its no good saying He was talking to Jews and Christians because I have already proved you wrong.
I think you have got your answer before, go read and concludeSee above .
I have my answer and that is you cant answer the questions and keep saying God didnt say hadith when He clearly DID. You deny God and His message and follow HADITH which you are told NOT to by God. Who is the non-believer?
No one of us is a non-believer, if you want to call this way, fine but know that it is a sin . Anayways you didn't give me any answer just a contraduction of terms (see above) turning what I said to what you said . there was a man in the age of the prophet who knows a lot of stories maybe Satan have helped him in making up these stories and the people there have been fascinated by these stories, they are the hadith of this guy . The stories are the hadith of this person .
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Do you even bother to think for a moment before you hit the button and post one of your endlessly repeated phrases? confused
We were talking about the occurence of particular words in the Qur'an
Never. Not once. No occurence of the words 'hadith' and 'sunna' in Quran ever refer to the Prophet's hadith.
Where and how often a word occurs in the Qur'an is a simple fact that anyone can check. There is no possibility of influencing the outcome of that research according to "your desires". Either a word appears in the Qur'an so and so many times, or it doesn't. I thought that was obvious, your facetious remarks about needing an angel or knowledge of the unknown in order to find these things out was highly illogical.Yeah, right because you're Miss.Logic o . we don't need philosophy to understand your whatever
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if you understand how come you are saying hadith doesnt mean hadith in those verses? ;D
Hadith in those verses is not about Hadith of Bukhari. The end of the story . I'm the one who knows Arabic not you .
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so God is a liar when He says it is detailed and complete? Complete means finished. means nothing after it. no other instruction book given in secret.
hey, please respect God and don't put words in my mouth that I didn't say . and if you were before not respecting God, because you were living in your fallacies and your darkness, fulll of hatred over Muslims, try to do now (respect) God and Muslims as well . We avoid attributing any bad words to God, so do the same .
And next time read my post , I said in other words that these details and these completion need an explanation and this explanation can be by deeds and reports and interpretations and sayings from the prophet .
Blurb to mislead and get off this subject.
satan misleads by making some follow hadith instead of Gods words. thats what YOU are doing. Not one from you DARE say Quran is useless but you do say it is useless without HADITH, you just did.
You are the blind misleading people away from the Quran. You are the satan trying to turn people away form Gods Words and over to mans hadith, as Quran warns about people like you.Blow your cover, a you're still living in your old religion (the false one). No one from sunna is calling people to stay away from Quran, in fact they said the opposite and of course they know better the words of God better than a bunch tried to ruin Islam .
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Seems you are not with knowledge, God didnt say idle tales did He, He said HADITH. God says hadith mislead, you contradict God. You still didnt explain the verse that you asked for.
You don't know the words, so why I'm disturbing myself with a woman can't even differ between collocation a word alone. first of all you said "idles tales" look at your post , I've just asked you what God meant by this ? so instead of answer me, you said that I'm the one who said this word .What a joke , go make breakfast for your husband.
You forgot this on page 1
Ayisha Prove its not. I looked at the verses IN Arabic and my husband who is Egyptian verified what they said. There are a few verses there, not just one. I dont understand what you mean by 'how do you know that translation is right and it is really what it is now ? are you saying that the Arabic in Quran is not Arabic or that the meanings of words have changed?
Reformer Yes, I can prove it they will be thousands of words . just bring to me a verse translated in english and I will show you where your fallacies stand
Ayisha Ok do this one
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But there are, among men, those who purchase idle tales, without knowledge (or meaning), to mislead (men) from the Path of Allah and throw ridicule (on the Path) for such there will be a Humiliating Penalty.So it was YOU that asked and claimed you can prove it doesnt mean what it does mean. Still waiting.
Now you are telling me what I wanted to say? You are adding your desires and opinions to Gods words because God DID say hadith and you KNOW He did. You are trying to prove He didnt!
Now you are telling me what I wanted to say? You are adding your desires and opinions to Gods words because God DID say hadith and you KNOW He did. You are trying to prove He didnt!
Yes, God said Hadith, I'm asking you does he means that the Hadith is hadith of Bukhari ? if Yes prove it ? .
And I have repeatedly said that I didnt claim it WAS bukhari so you are doing your usual circular roll about because you cant answer what you claimed you could AGAIN. Now I have asked you to prove its NOT about bukhari as you seem to want to play around hadith only being bukhari hadith. You cannot prove its NOT about Bukhari can you?And I have pointed out that God was telling Muhammed that of some of HIS people there are those that follow HADITH not from God, you conveniently ignored that FACT.
This is about another hadith not hadith of Bukhari . The Jewish have brought with them there antecedent stories from their books and they have fascinated the Arabs by these stories and they asked the prophet about those stories and then the verse talked about that some people followed not physicaly but emotionaly and they liked these stories which was not from God .
RUBBISH! where does Quran say that? and why does God say 'there are men among YOU', meaning men of the prophets? Did Jews belong to the companions of the prophet?bukhari wasnt even written then, this is warning you against them, ANY hadith that are not from GOD.
I have also pointed out that a non-believer (according to GOD) is one who doesnt follow Gods word but follows hadith of others instead = YOU and other hadithist. Also let me remind you of 6116 which mentions your 1.5 billion muslims following hadith. You have NOT proved this is NOT about bukhari
see above (the stories of Jewish) .
Not good enough. If Quran is to be taken for ALL TIMES, then it is warning for ALL hadith that are not from God.See above .
No one of us is a non-believer, if you want to call this way, fine but know that it is a sin .
coming from one who decides daily who is or isnt a believer thats hilarious! I have pointed out what GOD says is not a believer and if the cap fits wear it.Anayways you didn't give me any answer just a contraduction of terms (see above) turning what I said to what you said . there was a man in the age of the prophet who knows a lot of stories maybe Satan have helped him in making up these stories and the people there have been fascinated by these stories, they are the hadith of this guy . The stories are the hadith of this person .
that were passed on and later collected by BUKHARI and passed off as hadith of the prophet which have led people like you OFF the path of God and onto the path of those who disbelieve in Gods Words!
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Indeed, you don't need philosphy. A bit of common sense is sufficient. yes
Yes, a common sense because it is Arabic . look a your bright side you either take your fallacies from a nut or your own desires .
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Hadith in those verses is not about Hadith of Bukhari. The end of the story . I'm the one who knows Arabic not you .
AHHHHHH abu Jahal was the one who knew Quranic arabic and still he did not understand it because his was camofage under the abaya of his forfathers, accept that you are barainwashed to the extend that you will never see the truth so in my openion your the winner. bravo rotfl
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so God is a liar when He says it is detailed and complete? Complete means finished. means nothing after it. no other instruction book given in secret.
hey, please respect God and don't put words in my mouth that I didn't say . and if you were before not respecting God, because you were living in your fallacies and your darkness, fulll of hatred over Muslims, try to do now (respect) God and Muslims as well . We avoid attributing any bad words to God, so do the same .
And next time read my post , I said in other words that these details and these completion need an explanation and this explanation can be by deeds and reports and interpretations and sayings from the prophet .
I have no hatred for muslims or for anyone, you seem to be harbouring false pride, arrogance and hatred of Gods Book or anyone that wants to follow Gods Book. I do however disrespect those that claim Gods Book is not detailed and complete as he says it IS.I do respect God enough to believe His words and not tell people that when He said it is complete and fully detailed that it is NOt and needs some other books to explain what He said is fully detailed. YOU need to get a bit of respect for God. you are the one calling Him a liar as you are the one thinking His complete, fully detailed words need something else.
Blurb to mislead and get off this subject.
satan misleads by making some follow hadith instead of Gods words. thats what YOU are doing. Not one from you DARE say Quran is useless but you do say it is useless without HADITH, you just did.
You are the blind misleading people away from the Quran. You are the satan trying to turn people away form Gods Words and over to mans hadith, as Quran warns about people like you.Blow your cover, a you're still living in your old religion (the false one). No one from sunna is calling people to stay away from Quran, in fact they said the opposite and of course they know better the words of God better than a bunch tried to ruin Islam .
Old religion? false one? Doesnt God make it plain that there ARE some of the Jews and Christians and Sabians that ARE on the right path? Who are you to claim He is wrong?
You have blown your cover and you claim Muslims are calling to Quran when they are calling to hadith because God couldnt get it completely complete without mans help! you and your hadithists have ruined Islam all by yourselves.
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that were passed on and later collected by BUKHARI and passed off as hadith of the prophet which have led people like you OFF the path of God and onto the path of those who disbelieve in Gods Words!
Look, I'm stopping the discussion with you because you don't want to listen and not I don't want to listen as you're going to say later answering this post, so why I'm talking to you ? not because I want you to follow me but to go and search for the truth and because you're always in front of the screen, that makes sense that you don't want to listen because your eyes are in the screen but your mind is in the recycle bin .
let me ask you this question How do you came to the conclusion that I must be "Quran alone" ? in what logic your idea stands ? or you know what don't answer, until you find a good reason, the best that you can give me about this subject .
P.S If the forum was in arabic, be sure that I'll not give you the chance to write a word .
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AHHHHHH abu Jahal was the one who knew Quranic arabic and still he did not understand it because his was camofage under the abaya of his forfathers, accept that you are barainwashed to the extend that you will never see the truth so in my openion your the winner. bravo rotfl
Abu Lahab understood Quran better than you, but he didn't want to listen because he was proud of his antecedent religion like christians and jewish, in addition to this he don't want from God to give Quran to Muhammed peace be upon him, he wanted someone rich from his strain to be the prophet .
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How do you come to the conclusion that this is what she thinks? Are we reading the same posts? hypno
we don't answer a question by a question .
Are you a rejecter of hadith ?
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Well, this shows that your mind is empty .
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that were passed on and later collected by BUKHARI and passed off as hadith of the prophet which have led people like you OFF the path of God and onto the path of those who disbelieve in Gods Words!
Look, I'm stopping the discussion with you because you don't want to listen and not I don't want to listen as you're going to say later answering this post, so why I'm talking to you ? not because I want you to follow me but to go and search for the truth and because you're always in front of the screen, that makes sense that you don't want to listen because your eyes are in the screen but your mind is in the recycle bin .
You always 'stop the discussion' when you cant 'answer the questions' nope it has nothing to do with me NOT listening, I am still waiting for the answers YOU claim you have. Thise answers YOU claim 'you wont share' like a spoilt child. the topic is 'What does God mean in verses where He mentions hadith' and you STILL havent answered any!
I HAVE and AM searching for the truth and that is how I have arrived at my conclusions and my questions which YOU say you can answer but have not managed it yet without insults!
let me ask you this question How do you came to the conclusion that I must be "Quran alone" ? in what logic your idea stands ? or you know what don't answer, until you find a good reason, the best that you can give me about this subject .
Where did you get that from? I have never said that you must be 'Quran Alone' its glaringly obvious you are NOT.P.S If the forum was in arabic, be sure that I'll not give you the chance to write a word .
What is that supposed to mean? This forum is in English. If it was in Arabic you wouldnt be able to stop me writing anything anyway so stop making idle threats to get off the subject that you have NOT ANSWERED ANY OF THE QUESTIONS YOU CLAIMED YOU COULD BECAUSE YOU CANNOT!
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Well, this shows that your mind is empty .
No, it shows that intelligent people get bored with people like you who claim to be able to answer questions but run round in circles trying everything and not answering anything, then come on with insults, as you normally do.
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Dear Ayisha
Ok. Let's put the Hadith to the side (again) and clarify your position.
Please be kind enough to tell us what Islam and the perfected religion means to you
53 ...................This day have I perfected your religion for you and completed My favor unto you, and have chosen for you as religion AL- Islam. Whoso is forced by hunger, not by will, to sin (for him) lo! Allah is Forgiving, Merciful. -
Do you accept the concept of Salaah?
Do you accept the concept of Pilgrimage?
Do you accept the concept of Zakat?
And if so, please be kind enough to confirm how do you or would you perform any of these duties (with references please).
If the Qur'an is the only authentic source of Guidance, why did it never explain how to offer salah, although it repeatedly talks about its importance, associating it with eternal success and failure? What would we think of a communication that repeatedly emphasizes a certain act but never explains how to perform it? There are only two possibilities. Either it is a terrible omission (and in that case it cannot be from God) or another source for the how-to information is provided and it is a terrible mistake for any recipient to ignore that.
5156 I created the jinn and humankind only that they might worship Me.
Furthermore, do you believe or accept that the Prophet PBUH performed Salaat and how did he do it if your answer is in the affirmative? Did he Stand, Bow and Prostrate and on what basis do you get your answer? Or do you believe the meaning of Salaat to be metaphorical and not a physical action?
How many wives did the Prophet PBUH have and did he have any children? (ok, this may not be relevant for you, so you may not answer if you so wish).
Do you believe or accept in the Prophet PBUH's status as an example, a teacher and explainer of the Quran?
What is the call for prayer and where do we find it?
The Quran as it is, is not compiled in the same order as it was revealed. Why is this so? Also how do you know, which ayats were revealed when and for what reason? And are there any ayats in the Quran that are specific for certain events or people that occured before our time? i.e. Badr. What was all this about and what happened?
Additionally, in one of your previous posts you stated that you pray as you were traditionally taught but without the Tashahud or something along these lines. Why would you accept the prayer aspect from the source of Hadiths even though you claim to be a firm Hadith Rejector? Please tell me and show me where you learned the concept of prayer? To accept one and reject the other source on the basis of reliability defies reason. You are therefore forced to either seek direction from the Hadith indirectly or to contradict the claim that the Quran is 'self sufficient and self explanatory' by adding additional clauses or to change the meanings of the worships altogether.
To say that Allah promised to protect only Qur'an but not Islam is being as ridiculous as one can get. Let's ignore the obvious question regarding the point of this Heavenly act. The question is if Islam has been corrupted for over 1200 years because of Hadith following and its true teachings have been lost, how can anyone claim to be its follower? Moreover, Qur'an says "If anyone desires a religion other than Islam, never will it be accepted of him, and in the Hereafter he will be in the ranks of those who have lost" 385. How are we to follow the religion acceptable to Allah (Islam) if it was not to be protected and has been corrupted from the offset thus nullifying the claim?
If we follow the religion of our forefather Abraham, then how can Abrahams way be preserved considering he came for a limited period, for his nation only? Whereas the Prophet PBUH was sent for all mankind at a later date and until the Last Day not be preserved. According to you, the Prophet PBUH'S way has been corrupted but Abrahams way has been preserved? How do you prove or trace anything about Abraham and his way without any historical records or chain of narration at best?
Did not Allah SWT decide to protect the Quran because previous scriptures and calls to God were corrupted by man which would also apply to the period of Abraham?
Finally, the million dollar question that you and your buddies need to answer is why did no one for over 1300 years question the teachings of the Prophet PBUH? No body, in his right mind, could or did question this practice.
It was not that some genius had found flaws in the hadith study that had eluded the entire ummah for thirteen centuries now was it? or maybe it was and the following 'knights in shining armour' arose to lead you out of the darkness and into the light - Egypt (Taha Hussein), India (Abdullah Chakralawi and Ghulam Ahmed Pervaiz), and Turkey (Zia Gogelup).
Peace