What does God mean in verses where he mentions hadith?
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Hadith in those verses is not about Hadith of Bukhari. The end of the story . I'm the one who knows Arabic not you .
AHHHHHH abu Jahal was the one who knew Quranic arabic and still he did not understand it because his was camofage under the abaya of his forfathers, accept that you are barainwashed to the extend that you will never see the truth so in my openion your the winner. bravo rotfl
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so God is a liar when He says it is detailed and complete? Complete means finished. means nothing after it. no other instruction book given in secret.
hey, please respect God and don't put words in my mouth that I didn't say . and if you were before not respecting God, because you were living in your fallacies and your darkness, fulll of hatred over Muslims, try to do now (respect) God and Muslims as well . We avoid attributing any bad words to God, so do the same .
And next time read my post , I said in other words that these details and these completion need an explanation and this explanation can be by deeds and reports and interpretations and sayings from the prophet .
I have no hatred for muslims or for anyone, you seem to be harbouring false pride, arrogance and hatred of Gods Book or anyone that wants to follow Gods Book. I do however disrespect those that claim Gods Book is not detailed and complete as he says it IS.I do respect God enough to believe His words and not tell people that when He said it is complete and fully detailed that it is NOt and needs some other books to explain what He said is fully detailed. YOU need to get a bit of respect for God. you are the one calling Him a liar as you are the one thinking His complete, fully detailed words need something else.
Blurb to mislead and get off this subject.
satan misleads by making some follow hadith instead of Gods words. thats what YOU are doing. Not one from you DARE say Quran is useless but you do say it is useless without HADITH, you just did.
You are the blind misleading people away from the Quran. You are the satan trying to turn people away form Gods Words and over to mans hadith, as Quran warns about people like you.Blow your cover, a you're still living in your old religion (the false one). No one from sunna is calling people to stay away from Quran, in fact they said the opposite and of course they know better the words of God better than a bunch tried to ruin Islam .
Old religion? false one? Doesnt God make it plain that there ARE some of the Jews and Christians and Sabians that ARE on the right path? Who are you to claim He is wrong?
You have blown your cover and you claim Muslims are calling to Quran when they are calling to hadith because God couldnt get it completely complete without mans help! you and your hadithists have ruined Islam all by yourselves.
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that were passed on and later collected by BUKHARI and passed off as hadith of the prophet which have led people like you OFF the path of God and onto the path of those who disbelieve in Gods Words!
Look, I'm stopping the discussion with you because you don't want to listen and not I don't want to listen as you're going to say later answering this post, so why I'm talking to you ? not because I want you to follow me but to go and search for the truth and because you're always in front of the screen, that makes sense that you don't want to listen because your eyes are in the screen but your mind is in the recycle bin .
let me ask you this question How do you came to the conclusion that I must be "Quran alone" ? in what logic your idea stands ? or you know what don't answer, until you find a good reason, the best that you can give me about this subject .
P.S If the forum was in arabic, be sure that I'll not give you the chance to write a word .
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AHHHHHH abu Jahal was the one who knew Quranic arabic and still he did not understand it because his was camofage under the abaya of his forfathers, accept that you are barainwashed to the extend that you will never see the truth so in my openion your the winner. bravo rotfl
Abu Lahab understood Quran better than you, but he didn't want to listen because he was proud of his antecedent religion like christians and jewish, in addition to this he don't want from God to give Quran to Muhammed peace be upon him, he wanted someone rich from his strain to be the prophet .
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How do you come to the conclusion that this is what she thinks? Are we reading the same posts? hypno
we don't answer a question by a question .
Are you a rejecter of hadith ?
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Well, this shows that your mind is empty .
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that were passed on and later collected by BUKHARI and passed off as hadith of the prophet which have led people like you OFF the path of God and onto the path of those who disbelieve in Gods Words!
Look, I'm stopping the discussion with you because you don't want to listen and not I don't want to listen as you're going to say later answering this post, so why I'm talking to you ? not because I want you to follow me but to go and search for the truth and because you're always in front of the screen, that makes sense that you don't want to listen because your eyes are in the screen but your mind is in the recycle bin .
You always 'stop the discussion' when you cant 'answer the questions' nope it has nothing to do with me NOT listening, I am still waiting for the answers YOU claim you have. Thise answers YOU claim 'you wont share' like a spoilt child. the topic is 'What does God mean in verses where He mentions hadith' and you STILL havent answered any!
I HAVE and AM searching for the truth and that is how I have arrived at my conclusions and my questions which YOU say you can answer but have not managed it yet without insults!
let me ask you this question How do you came to the conclusion that I must be "Quran alone" ? in what logic your idea stands ? or you know what don't answer, until you find a good reason, the best that you can give me about this subject .
Where did you get that from? I have never said that you must be 'Quran Alone' its glaringly obvious you are NOT.P.S If the forum was in arabic, be sure that I'll not give you the chance to write a word .
What is that supposed to mean? This forum is in English. If it was in Arabic you wouldnt be able to stop me writing anything anyway so stop making idle threats to get off the subject that you have NOT ANSWERED ANY OF THE QUESTIONS YOU CLAIMED YOU COULD BECAUSE YOU CANNOT!
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Well, this shows that your mind is empty .
No, it shows that intelligent people get bored with people like you who claim to be able to answer questions but run round in circles trying everything and not answering anything, then come on with insults, as you normally do.
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Dear Ayisha
Ok. Let's put the Hadith to the side (again) and clarify your position.
Please be kind enough to tell us what Islam and the perfected religion means to you
53 ...................This day have I perfected your religion for you and completed My favor unto you, and have chosen for you as religion AL- Islam. Whoso is forced by hunger, not by will, to sin (for him) lo! Allah is Forgiving, Merciful. -
Do you accept the concept of Salaah?
Do you accept the concept of Pilgrimage?
Do you accept the concept of Zakat?
And if so, please be kind enough to confirm how do you or would you perform any of these duties (with references please).
If the Qur'an is the only authentic source of Guidance, why did it never explain how to offer salah, although it repeatedly talks about its importance, associating it with eternal success and failure? What would we think of a communication that repeatedly emphasizes a certain act but never explains how to perform it? There are only two possibilities. Either it is a terrible omission (and in that case it cannot be from God) or another source for the how-to information is provided and it is a terrible mistake for any recipient to ignore that.
5156 I created the jinn and humankind only that they might worship Me.
Furthermore, do you believe or accept that the Prophet PBUH performed Salaat and how did he do it if your answer is in the affirmative? Did he Stand, Bow and Prostrate and on what basis do you get your answer? Or do you believe the meaning of Salaat to be metaphorical and not a physical action?
How many wives did the Prophet PBUH have and did he have any children? (ok, this may not be relevant for you, so you may not answer if you so wish).
Do you believe or accept in the Prophet PBUH's status as an example, a teacher and explainer of the Quran?
What is the call for prayer and where do we find it?
The Quran as it is, is not compiled in the same order as it was revealed. Why is this so? Also how do you know, which ayats were revealed when and for what reason? And are there any ayats in the Quran that are specific for certain events or people that occured before our time? i.e. Badr. What was all this about and what happened?
Additionally, in one of your previous posts you stated that you pray as you were traditionally taught but without the Tashahud or something along these lines. Why would you accept the prayer aspect from the source of Hadiths even though you claim to be a firm Hadith Rejector? Please tell me and show me where you learned the concept of prayer? To accept one and reject the other source on the basis of reliability defies reason. You are therefore forced to either seek direction from the Hadith indirectly or to contradict the claim that the Quran is 'self sufficient and self explanatory' by adding additional clauses or to change the meanings of the worships altogether.
To say that Allah promised to protect only Qur'an but not Islam is being as ridiculous as one can get. Let's ignore the obvious question regarding the point of this Heavenly act. The question is if Islam has been corrupted for over 1200 years because of Hadith following and its true teachings have been lost, how can anyone claim to be its follower? Moreover, Qur'an says "If anyone desires a religion other than Islam, never will it be accepted of him, and in the Hereafter he will be in the ranks of those who have lost" 385. How are we to follow the religion acceptable to Allah (Islam) if it was not to be protected and has been corrupted from the offset thus nullifying the claim?
If we follow the religion of our forefather Abraham, then how can Abrahams way be preserved considering he came for a limited period, for his nation only? Whereas the Prophet PBUH was sent for all mankind at a later date and until the Last Day not be preserved. According to you, the Prophet PBUH'S way has been corrupted but Abrahams way has been preserved? How do you prove or trace anything about Abraham and his way without any historical records or chain of narration at best?
Did not Allah SWT decide to protect the Quran because previous scriptures and calls to God were corrupted by man which would also apply to the period of Abraham?
Finally, the million dollar question that you and your buddies need to answer is why did no one for over 1300 years question the teachings of the Prophet PBUH? No body, in his right mind, could or did question this practice.
It was not that some genius had found flaws in the hadith study that had eluded the entire ummah for thirteen centuries now was it? or maybe it was and the following 'knights in shining armour' arose to lead you out of the darkness and into the light - Egypt (Taha Hussein), India (Abdullah Chakralawi and Ghulam Ahmed Pervaiz), and Turkey (Zia Gogelup).
Peace
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salam Zulu
I have copied your post into a text file (as my jumping reply box will have a heart attack trying to reply to each part) and I will put together a reply asap. Although I am signed in here most of the time I am actually working with 4 folders, 6 spreadsheets and skype conversations going on regarding my work, so please allow that your many questions will take time for me to answer properly.
peace
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Zulu, anti-hadith groups have existed from the beginning. Aisha Musa documents this extensively in 'hadith as scripture'.
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such as the people mentioned by Shafiee in Risala who say we don't need sunnah. Shafiee was the first legist who sealed the idea that the sunnah was part of fiqh.
Aisha Musa believes that the ahl-al-kalam were called as such because they asked for sharia based only on kalamullah/the Quran.
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Muhammad ibn Idris ,yes. I don't know the rest of his names off hand.
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No, it shows that intelligent people get bored with people like you who claim to be able to answer questions but run round in circles trying everything and not answering anything, then come on with insults, as you normally do.
I like this saying and it is from an ex-Quranist
Quranists are people who realize that their house is burning, but instead of getting out of that burning house, they go & sit in the basement!
Get out of the burning house A.S.A.P.!
http//free-minds.org/forum/index.php?topic=9599400.0
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I like this saying and it is from an ex-Quranist
Quranists are people who realize that their house is burning, but instead of getting out of that burning house, they go & sit in the basement!
Get out of the burning house A.S.A.P.!
http//free-minds.org/forum/index.php?topic=9599400.0
So you agree with that writer that Islam is inherently bad O Very nice job there, pal!
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So you agree with that writer that Islam is inherently bad O Very nice job there, pal!
The ignorant will understand it the way you understood it .